With the trade deadline over and there Clippers having $59mm (potentially) in cap space
this summer, what do you think we should do? We obviously have our eyes set on Kawhi
which at a max contract would eat $33mm in cap space year one and give us around $26mm
for another person. Who do we go after? It’s a tough call because we’d
probably need another SF/Pf. Seems like Davis would fit in perfect with our team or
maybe we go after Cousins?
I’ll start it off by saying let’s go after Kawhi for the max and then try to trade for
Davis if we get a decent draft pick. Or go for Kawhi at the max and then Cousins
starting at around $25mm/year
clipper*joe CNS Champion UltraPosts: 22137Location: los angeles votes: 179
02/08/2019 - 03:10 PM
My hope is one of those max players convinces another one to join up and then make the
numbers work. With a lot of players on the move, I hope the right combo comes along.
Leonard would be my first choice. Since he can't convince AD to come here next
off-season, why not Durant?
clipper*joe CNS Champion UltraPosts: 22137Location: los angeles votes: 179
02/08/2019 - 03:11 PM
clipperboy24 wrote:
I’ll start it off by saying let’s go after Kawhi for the max and then try
to trade for Davis if we get a decent draft pick. Or go for Kawhi at the max and then
Cousins starting at around $25mm/year
Cousins isn't a bad choice if all else falls apart.
toohipcliptoslip CNS MVP X2Posts: 9518votes: 71
02/08/2019 - 04:00 PM
We will see how Boogie does after the injury. Brand and Billups were never the
same.
I think that the league should change the Cap rules. The lower seed you are, the more
you get and vice versa. GSW doesn't get much. I'm sick and tired of players deciding
where they will play. I'm sick and tired of super teams. Some teams will never be
competitive.
clipperboy24 CNS MVP X2Posts: 7130votes: 44
02/08/2019 - 09:58 PM
toohipcliptoslip wrote:
We will see how Boogie does after the injury. Brand and Billups were never the same.
Yeah so far he has looked good. If he continues on this trajectory he’d be worth the
risk
jarca CNS MVP ChampionPosts: 15671votes: 70
02/09/2019 - 10:54 AM
Durant and Leanard combo would be great, but preferably Davis and
Leanard.
I have no doubt West and FO can turn any of those 2 combinations with the right pieces to
build a contender
jarca CNS MVP ChampionPosts: 15671votes: 70
02/09/2019 - 10:57 AM
clipperboy24 wrote:
Yeah so far he has looked good. If he continues on this trajectory he’d be
worth the risk
Ewww Cousins? He was a so so defenders before the injury and now his side to side movement
looks even slower now. It was a great move for him to go to GSW where they’ll
make him look like a max guy and hide his flaws, very smart choice on his
part.
I’ll start it off by saying let’s go after Kawhi for the max and then try
to trade for Davis if we get a decent draft pick. Or go for Kawhi at the max and then
Cousins starting at around $25mm/year
That would be great. I’ve always wanted cousins here. When healthy he is still the
best center in the league. He has looked pretty good coming back from his injury but
he is not in game shape or anywhere near what he used to be yet. Let’s see how he
does after the all star break when they give him more minutes. Also excited to see how
he plays in his first playoff appearance. I believe he will be a force in the
playoffs. He’s built for that and teams will have a really hard time stopping
him with the spacing he finally has around him. Him and kawhi would be fun but kawhi
and Durant would be better. But if we can get Durant the warriors will keep cousins
surrounded by shooters and draymond to put it all together. The one thing the
warriors never had was a real big man with an inside game. You could say David west but
that’s not even close. They might like cousins more than Durant as a fit.
Especially now that teams are getting bigger. Without cousins who is checking
embiid? These playoffs are going to tell us a lot about where the league is going the
next few years.
jtwinnaz Clipper All-StarPosts: 1465votes: 27
02/09/2019 - 12:33 PM
jarca wrote:
Ewww Cousins? He was a so so defenders before the injury and now his side to side
movement looks even slower now. It was a great move for him to go to GSW where
they’ll make him look like a max guy and hide his flaws, very smart choice on
his part.
Defense is mostly about effort. He has never been on a respectable team until last year
before he got hurt. Look at his numbers. He puts up blocks and steals at a very high
rate and is consistently one of the top rebounders every year. We saw how he
dominated with team USA when he had the motivation and mindset of a winner. You will
see his year with the dubs, he is actually a very good defender.
clipperboy24 CNS MVP X2Posts: 7130votes: 44
02/09/2019 - 02:42 PM
jtwinnaz wrote:
Defense is mostly about effort. He has never been on a respectable team until last
year before he got hurt. Look at his numbers. He puts up blocks and steals at a very
high rate and is consistently one of the top rebounders every year. We saw how he
dominated with team USA when he had the motivation and mindset of a winner. You will
see his year with the dubs, he is actually a very good defender.
Exactly! All of these guys have the physical and mental capability to defend, it’s
just a question if they are willing. Even Harden has shown this year he can be a very
good defender... when he wants to.
Mistwell3 Clipper All-StarPosts: 1004Location: Los Angelesvotes: 23
04/22/2019 - 03:40 PM
Kevon Looney is looking like a potential free agency target. He's young. He's good, and
getting better. He's an unrestricted free agent. GSW probably cannot afford to
make him a decent offer. And he players Center - where we are thin.
Other younger free agents I think we should take a look at (some are restricted): Ivan
Rabb, Lauri Markkanene, Thomas Bryant, Cheick Diallo, Try Lyles.
david Site AdminPosts: 27548votes: 59
04/22/2019 - 03:46 PM
2 max spots would be great- but does anyone know is it confirmed that the Clippers will
be able to make that happen or do the 2 potential max guys have to take less than max? I
think Durant is on the record saying he wouldn't take any discount,
period.
Mistwell3 Clipper All-StarPosts: 1004Location: Los Angelesvotes: 23
04/22/2019 - 04:06 PM
david wrote:
2 max spots would be great- but does anyone know is it confirmed that the Clippers
will be able to make that happen or do the 2 potential max guys have to take less than
max? I think Durant is on the record saying he wouldn't take any discount, period.
To have two max players, we would need to trade Gallinari. We can trade him for another
max guy, like Anthony Davis (which would be our second max guy - that frees up no
actual space for a free agent), or we can trade him for a pick or something similar
where we take nothing or little back (but only to a team under the cap which could do
that).
Other options include one max player and one or more less-than-max players, and two guys
willing to take a pay cut.
CLIPSET Clipper All-StarPosts: 2037votes: 15
04/22/2019 - 08:29 PM
The Lopez Bros at Center
jarca CNS MVP ChampionPosts: 15671votes: 70
04/22/2019 - 10:51 PM
CLIPSET wrote:
The Lopez Bros at Center
Wouldn’t mind that. Now you can slide Trez at the 4 with center like Brooks
bballman Clipper All-StarPosts: 1310votes: 11
04/22/2019 - 11:07 PM
CLIPSET wrote:
The Lopez Bros at Center
Yes if Brooke would play for the low salary he played for this
season.
clipper*joe CNS Champion UltraPosts: 22137Location: los angeles votes: 179
That’ll be crazy if we’re able to get those 2 guys while keeping all 3 rookies,
Harrell, and Lou!
clipper*joe CNS Champion UltraPosts: 22137Location: los angeles votes: 179
04/23/2019 - 11:46 AM
pageC4 wrote:
I think I may be one of the few to not want Durant on this team. I think he's toxic.
Yeah, I am in your camp on this. But if there is a chance this could happen and the FO signs off
on this, I have to trust the process.
Mistwell3 Clipper All-StarPosts: 1004Location: Los Angelesvotes: 23
04/23/2019 - 11:53 AM
We don't have the money to sign both unless we can trade Gallinari to one of the few teams
under the cap and able to absorb his contract.
I guess we could stretch his contract. That seems like a huge waste though. He's worth
a pick to some team. It's just a bad year to be doing that. Teams under the cap are vying
for a superstar and won't know they will be out of the superstar race until it's too
late to pull off such a trade.
As good as it sounds, I don’t buy anything what that man has to
say.
CLIPSET Clipper All-StarPosts: 2037votes: 15
04/23/2019 - 02:47 PM
pageC4 wrote:
I think I may be one of the few to not want Durant on this team. I think he's toxic.
You’re trippin!! Any team would be foolish to pass on KD.
bballman Clipper All-StarPosts: 1310votes: 11
04/23/2019 - 03:27 PM
As soon as Kawhi says he intends to go to the Clippers, a sign and trade will happen.
That's when you trade Gallo. He is a large expiring contract. Throw in one of
Robinson or Shamet and a future dradt pick. That frees up space to sign KD and maybe a
2nd tier guy. Fill out the roster with minimum guys. Shai, Trezz, KD, Kawhi, Lou,
Green, Zubac, Shamet or Robinson and they are instant contenders.
Snafu Clipper All-StarPosts: 1491Location: Los Angelesvotes: 9
04/23/2019 - 05:06 PM
All this talk of getting Kawhi and Durant sounds like how Lakers fans feel entitled all
the time. I can't bring myself to think like that. It's one thing to acquire via
trades but for a big name to choose you, well I have to see it to believe it. I sure
wouldn't want to lose all our youngsters for that second star.
laboy Clipper StarterPosts: 960votes: 12
04/23/2019 - 05:56 PM
Jerry West!!!! Is in our house! OUR HOUSE!! I believe Kawhi is coming to the clippers
100%
One year in the snow and he will run here! Durant, who knows? But I think that Jerry West
had something to do with Durant leaving oklahoma and going to
oakland.
If so, why would Durant not follow Jerry West to the clippers?
That's the question?
pageC4 CNS MVP X2Posts: 9800votes: 56
04/23/2019 - 06:48 PM
Snafu wrote:
All this talk of getting Kawhi and Durant sounds like how Lakers fans feel entitled
all the time. I can't bring myself to think like that. It's one thing to acquire via
trades but for a big name to choose you, well I have to see it to believe it. I sure
wouldn't want to lose all our youngsters for that second star.
BINGO! We could end up striking out. Even if we do though, we have a nice core to build
around. Shai, Landry, Jerome, and Ivaca are a nice group of young
guys.
pageC4 CNS MVP X2Posts: 9800votes: 56
04/23/2019 - 06:49 PM
clipper*joe wrote:
Yeah, I am in your camp on this. But if there is a chance this could happen and the FO
signs off on this, I have to trust the process.
Absolutely, West knows what he is doing, and best believe that if Durant did sign him
I would be supportive. I also didn't like Matt Barnes when we first signed him, but
after a while he ended up being my favorite Clipper. That being said, Durant may be
acting up because the fans just hate the idea of a top tier talent like him taking the
easy way out. I wonder if many of his behaviors would change in a different setting. I
would have to think so because we had a perception of him as being a nice guy in
OKC.
cisco805 CNS MVP X1Posts: 3195votes: 16
04/23/2019 - 08:35 PM
I’m almost 100% sure we get Kawhi. KD is the only one up in the air. Who else do we get rid of
to make this happened is Jerry’s job and I will trust any movement he advices
to the clippers. The man knows the game of basketball and whom can make things
happen. Let’s see what the off season has in stored for us. Can’t wait
for July to come any sooner. Will be fun to watch and maybe shocking.
clipperboy24 CNS MVP X2Posts: 7130votes: 44
04/23/2019 - 09:02 PM
Snafu wrote:
All this talk of getting Kawhi and Durant sounds like how Lakers fans feel entitled
all the time. I can't bring myself to think like that. It's one thing to acquire via
trades but for a big name to choose you, well I have to see it to believe it. I sure
wouldn't want to lose all our youngsters for that second star.
I don’t think it’s Clippers fans feeling entitled, but clippers fan
just excited that we finally aren’t the black sheep team that no one wants to
sign with. We have a great young roster with good role players and cap space and we are
in LA. The Lakers think everyone will sign with them just because they are the
Lakers, we on the other hand are hopeful because we finally aren’t the
ugliest belle at the ball
Clemenza CNS MVP X1Posts: 3517votes: 33
04/23/2019 - 11:46 PM
cisco805 wrote:
I’m almost 100% sure we get Kawhi. KD is the only one up in the air. Who else do we
get rid of to make this happened is Jerry’s job and I will trust any movement he
advices to the clippers. The man knows the game of basketball and whom can make
things happen. Let’s see what the off season has in stored for us.
Can’t wait for July to come any sooner. Will be fun to watch and maybe
shocking.
It'll be tough for Kawhi to leave Toronto if the Raptors make the Finals
clipperboy24 CNS MVP X2Posts: 7130votes: 44
04/24/2019 - 12:09 AM
Clemenza wrote:
It'll be tough for Kawhi to leave Toronto if the Raptors make the Finals
I don’t know, if he wants to go to LA, he wants to go to La. also imagine how
legendary any player would be if they led the Clippers to the Finals and possibly a
title.
Players I feel the clippers should keep in order ... young core SGA, Shamet, Trezz and
Robinson. Players on the cheap or trade to improve Zubac,Sweet Lou and Beverly. On
the Fence Players, Ty Wallace, Green, Motley, McGruder, Player that should be out
Thornwell, Chandler, Temple, Gallinari( Hopefully traded for better fit player)
Two way Player... Angel Delgado and 2nd round pick( do we even have one?) Bring in
Leonard and KD
cisco805 CNS MVP X1Posts: 3195votes: 16
04/24/2019 - 01:52 PM
Clemenza wrote:
It'll be tough for Kawhi to leave Toronto if the Raptors make the Finals
Yes that would be an obstacle in his way if they make the finals BUT I’m sure he is
tired of wearing a snow jacket and feels like he wants some summer clothes.
😂😂😂
pageC4 CNS MVP X2Posts: 9800votes: 56
04/24/2019 - 02:29 PM
Clemenza wrote:
It'll be tough for Kawhi to leave Toronto if the Raptors make the Finals
yeah I have been rooting for the Raptors to lose for this reason. I don't think he
leaves that place if he gets to the finals. So we have to really root for the Raptors to
somehow lose as soon as they can. Then there is the other Factor. Although Toronto is
a very big city, it doesn't have the same media scrutiny that Los Angeles has. So I
don't know it seems to me like Kawhi might be favoring Toronto. I hope I'm
wrong
OKC is in terrible position without any flexibility. They need to clean house. Maybe we
can trade Gallo, a huge expiring contract, for PG straight up and sign Kawhi
Leonard. Just a thought. I obviously like the idea of just moving Gallo’s
contract so we can sign Kawhi and KD.
Whoever thinks trading Shamet is s good idea needs to drop the pipe. Seriously. We have so
much flexibility and our current core(Shai, Sham, Trez, Bev, Lou) is what make our
roster look intriguing to potential free agents. Teams would kill for
Gallo’s expiring deal.
OKC is in terrible position without any flexibility. They need to clean house.
Maybe we can trade Gallo, a huge expiring contract, for PG straight up and sign Kawhi
Leonard. Just a thought. I obviously like the idea of just moving Gallo’s
contract so we can sign Kawhi and KD.
Whoever thinks trading Shamet is s good idea needs to drop the pipe. Seriously. We have so
much flexibility and our current core(Shai, Sham, Trez, Bev, Lou) is what make our
roster look intriguing to potential free agents. Teams would kill for
Gallo’s expiring deal.
That wouldn’t be a bad trade but we’d no doubt have to include sweeteners. I
actually think Gallo would be a great 3rd option. The problem is we are trying to make
him the 1st option among the starters. Gallo at stretch 4 with Kawhi at Sg/SF and Kris
Middleton at SG/SF would be awesome. That’s probably a realistic signing
Middleton gets $25mm and Kawhi gets $35mm. Then use an exception to sign another
decent player and bring in the vets.
Mistwell3 Clipper All-StarPosts: 1004Location: Los Angelesvotes: 23
04/24/2019 - 08:35 PM
Gallo, Robinson, 2 firsts, 2 seconds, for PG.
And before you say no on Robinson, we HAVE to include more than Gallo to make it work
money-wise, and we don't have much to offer there. Harrell, Williams, SGA, and
Shamet are some other options. Given that, Robinson seems the logical
choice.
sz123456 CNS MVP X1Posts: 4268votes: 33
04/24/2019 - 09:02 PM
Mistwell3 wrote:
Gallo, Robinson, 2 firsts, 2 seconds, for PG.
And before you say no on Robinson, we HAVE to include more than Gallo to make it work
money-wise, and we don't have much to offer there. Harrell, Williams, SGA, and
Shamet are some other options. Given that, Robinson seems the logical choice.
I was thinking something similar because OKC is under heavy pressure to blow up that
roster. Problem is, they have to be ready to trade Russ too. He won’t be part of
a rebuild.
clipper*joe CNS Champion UltraPosts: 22137Location: los angeles votes: 179
04/24/2019 - 09:08 PM
^^^^agree with both of you guys. If we could get Leonard and trade for PG, that would be my best
case scenario. I'd much rather have them than any combo with KD.
And before you say no on Robinson, we HAVE to include more than Gallo to make it work
money-wise, and we don't have much to offer there. Harrell, Williams, SGA, and
Shamet are some other options. Given that, Robinson seems the logical choice.
Salary cap is supposed to be $109mm next year and we have $60mm in cap space. A Kawhi contract
would start at $33mm, leaving us with $27mm. If we add Pg without Jerome going then we
still have $16mm. Add in Jerome and we have about $20mm left, enough to add another
very good player or bring back Beverley, Green and some other role players. Jerome
would probably get almost no minutes if we picked up George and Kawhi so as much as I
like him, may as well trade him if we got George.
I just wonder if OKC would really do it, I’d imagine they’d look to
unload Steven Adams as well. I could see a team like the Hawks willing to take on
Adams. He could actually fit in well there with all their shooters. Going to be a fun
offseason but first let’s enjoy the clippers run!
jarca CNS MVP ChampionPosts: 15671votes: 70
04/25/2019 - 02:11 PM
KD left OKC after leading 3-1 against the Warriors and losing. If we come back from a 3-1
deficit as well and beat them on game 7, it's a locked KD will join the clippers
lol
Mistwell3 Clipper All-StarPosts: 1004Location: Los Angelesvotes: 23
04/25/2019 - 06:29 PM
jarca wrote:
KD left OKC after leading 3-1 against the Warriors and losing. If we come back from a
3-1 deficit as well and beat them on game 7, it's a locked KD will join the clippers lol
Actually, I think it's the opposite. He got so much crap from the media and fans for doing that,
that I don't think he'd do it again. If they beat us in 7 he might come here, but if we
beat them in 7 I don't see him wanting to take all that crap again.
Dirtydunks Clipper All-StarPosts: 1611votes: 13
04/25/2019 - 07:05 PM
C’mon...there’s a huge difference between going to Clips who’ve never won anything and the
touted greatest team of all time. A little perspective please... unless you are
suggesting he comes after we win the Larry O’brien.
Mistwell3 Clipper All-StarPosts: 1004Location: Los Angelesvotes: 23
04/25/2019 - 10:21 PM
I have perspective.
If we beat them, he's not coming here. He already heard that taunt.
Dirtydunks Clipper All-StarPosts: 1611votes: 13
04/25/2019 - 10:29 PM
Mistwell3 wrote:
I have perspective.
If we beat them, he's not coming here. He already heard that taunt.
That is not what he heard. It wasn’t that he went to a team that beat him, it was
that he went to the greatest team of all time to ride their coattails. If the Clips
pull off the greatest upset in NBA history it will have no impact on his decision. His
feelings may be hurt but he’ll get over it.
TheDude CNS MVP X1Posts: 3226votes: 47
04/25/2019 - 11:33 PM
Mistwell3 wrote:
Actually, I think it's the opposite. He got so much crap from the media and fans for
doing that, that I don't think he'd do it again. If they beat us in 7 he might come here,
but if we beat them in 7 I don't see him wanting to take all that crap again.
ya me too. If we somehow win this series there's no way KD would come to Clips this
summer. He'd get eternally punked for doing that again! If we lose the series and
nobody calls him a beach or insults him I think we got a real good
chance.
We would still have a ton of money to work with to fill out the roster. What are some
scenarios where we sign Anthony Davis? He might have a similar situation as Kawhi in
2020. Can you imagine KAWHI AND AD!?!?!?