Clippers Should Stop Complaining to the Refs

I am a die hard Clippers fans from their dark days to their winning days. However, I found myself less enjoyable to watch this season. It's not the way and how they play, but the way they approach the game. Every games, there are seems to endless bark and complaint to the refs. I get it, they may missed some calls, but hey, that real life and refs are humans too. It's kind of hard to root for this team when they don't respect the refs and the games. They haven't won anything, so act like a professional instead of spoil brats. I expect more out of professionalism from Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, and Doc Rivers.

That has been an area of concern, and from what I understand its what led to Blake's ejection.

Rivers, BG, CP3, DJ, etc are all whiny cry babies. I hate to admit it as a CP3 and BG fan but its true.

I totally agree. Blake is one of, if not the best all around players in the game today but I get why so many people hate him. His attitude on the court is annoying and its overshadowing his greatness. His constant complaining and bitch face can get old. You can tell even Ralph Lawler is annoyed by it. Its okay to complain a little, here and there but when you do it every freakin time, you lose your credibility and you just become annoying. It also doesn't help that he over exaggerates contact (albeit to get calls that he is not getting) but still, doesn't help his case. Doc needs to have a serious conversation with him and convince him to control his emotions and try not to complain about any calls. Do this for a 10-game trial period and see what happens. Just play basketball with no reaction to calls.

I disagree. Clippers have been singled out ass "complainers" by the media, but o don't see them complain any more or less than the other teams when I watch their games.

Media has created this narrative. But it's not true. And if someone says it is, show me the facts to prove it.

I totally agree. Blake is one of, if not the best all around players in the game today but I get why so many people hate him. His attitude on the court is annoying and its overshadowing his greatness. His constant complaining and bitch face can get old. You can tell even Ralph Lawler is annoyed by it. Its okay to complain a little, here and there but when you do it every freakin time, you lose your credibility and you just become annoying. It also doesn't help that he over exaggerates contact (albeit to get calls that he is not getting) but still, doesn't help his case. Doc needs to have a serious conversation with him and convince him to control his emotions and try not to complain about any calls. Do this for a 10-game trial period and see what happens. Just play basketball with no reaction to calls.

That Is the thing Doc is also a big complainer.

Really, I specifically look out for this and haven't noticed any other team constantly complaining as much as our team does.

That Is the thing Doc is also a big complainer.

Yes he does complain a lot however, I feel if complaining needs to take place it should be done by the coach not the players. Let him bitch at the refs for the players.

Really, I specifically look out for this and haven't noticed any other team constantly complaining as much as our team does.

Which game did you watch where the players weren't complaining? I'll look it up and watch it.

please spam this to their twitter mails. It destroyed the game in phoenix, it often a problem with concentration. sometimes they get unnecessary fast breakes. I hope they learn from the last game.

Which game did you watch where the players weren't complaining? I'll look it up and watch it.

Come on bro, I am not saying players don't complain. Obviously they do. I think our players do it considerably more. Listen, when there is smoke there is usually fire. There is a reason why we are notorious for it.

Come on bro, I am not saying players don't complain. Obviously they do. I think our players do it considerably more. Listen, when there is smoke there is usually fire. There is a reason why we are notorious for it.

No where there is media creating a narrative, most people buy into it blindly without needing facts and proof.

Also I'm rewatching the Mavs game. Blake is getting hammered with no calls... What should he do? Just suck it up and keep getting hammered? Keep quiet and take it?

I don't subscribe to that philosophy of life. Not sure him complaining is the answer, but I haven't seen anyone in this thread come up with a solution.

Totally agree with you. The league is made up of primadonnas. Even the NBA's beloved Warriors roll their eyes and berate the refs for doing their jobs. The fact is the league, referees and players included, do not like us because we act entitled and we are located in LA, which automatically labels us as "cocky" and "plastic". So anything we do bothers them a lot more than any other team. We don't complain or flop more than anyone else.

We can either embrace it as a team or try to improve our image. Personally I like embracing the role of "villain". We are a very hateable team, should just roll with it.

The NBA is to a certain level fixed. If you don't believe me look up the Kings/Lakers game maybe 15 years ago. LeBron could have gotten a trip to Paris with all the non called travels. Kobe elbowed? Bibby and cut his face. No call.

The Clipps have been constantly screwed by the refs. How about the OKC series when even announcers complained. Arguably bad calls as well as bad play cost us the series. Once last year Blake was ejected from a game for blocking a hand with his throat. The league later said "oops my bad" and admitted he shouldn't have been tossed.It cost us the game. Blake since day one has been hammered with no calls. Sometimes he was decked. See what Zbo did. He clotheslined Blake. This has happened to us for years. Bak in the day teams had guys like Mason or Lambier or even KMart who would clock these guys who cheap shot Blake. Now it's kinder. Many years ago Horry who seems a nice gut hit Steve Nash into the announcer's table. That was payback. In the day they wouldn't have taken out Bogout, they would have clocked Curry. Not advocating violence.

Do we complain --YES Do we have the right to complain? YES

Added a poll- do you guys think the Clippers need to reduce the amount of referee complaining, and perhaps try to build rapport with the refs instead? For me, it's a resounding yes. Calls can go against you, but it is all about how you respond or not to respond that can make the difference in winning or losing. The guys should just battle through any tough calls, then focus on the next play, because that would be more important.

I don't know what else the players and coach can do, its obvious by the many calls the refs make they are unfair, fouls are overlooked while Blake get bomb blasted in the center with cuts, scraps and even blood flowing. Its ridiculous! If you noticed both later last season and the start of this season, the players took the calls and continued playing but lets face it if the refs continue to be unfair, one has to voice their opinions. They determine the outcome of the game, I don't know if its political, however, wasn't there 2 missed calls by the refs, one in the Houston game and against GS I believe? The outcome of which could've of been wins for the Clippers. Those calls determine who wins or looses so there's allot at stake. Closed mouths don't get fed, one has to challenge a refs call every now and again.

Closed mouths get it shoved you know where. The only was to stop it is if we stop complaining and come up with something objective. Being nice to the refs isn't the problem. I think it's fixed.

Blake and CP3 do complain quite a bit, but it seems like everyone in the NBA is constantly complaining. When the Clippers sucked, my season ticket holder rep would always give me upgrades to courtside for random games. Every Time I sat there, I realized that it's non-stop complaining about 3 seconds, charges, he's grabbing me, etc...

We don't need to stop it, just minimize, It should start start from Doc, honestly he is annoying, every time he is on camera you can see him complaining.

I do think the Clippers complain a lot but I also think other teams do it. Many people will dismiss the notion that the refs have biases but there are human so they are not perfect. When players make mistakes they get fines from the league offices. The refs on the other hand never seem to get disciplined, at least from the outside looking in. I think players should stand up for themselves during the game but If the refs are going to be allowed to have short fuses with our team then maybe an alternative approach is needed. So in order for the coach and players to vent I say you tone the complains way down or non altogether. Keep a log of all the foul calls during the game. At the end of the game you send the complaint list to the league offices and post the list on the team social media channels. I'm sure that would stir the pot. Would probably get the team fined. That's my dream anyway. I just think NBA refs are the worst. You never hear the league fire a ref for incompetence.

There should be a consistency. Fart in Joey Crawford's general direction and you get a T every ref should be like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWB07LY

There is a guy who analyzed the controversial Lakers/ Warriors 2002. The outcome is controversial

Nuff said?

We need instant replay. Each coach gets one/quarter. The refs may be humiliated into not screwing the Clipps

I have seen MJ get call after call. Kobe, LeBron and now Steph have the refs in their pockets. I do not care about that, they have earned it. So why not BG? He makes a lot of money for the NBA and is a bonafide superstar? Something doesn't add up here.

Blake is a mild mannered guy that is treated with a double standard that does not apply to the rest of the league. He continually gets hammered without getting a whistle. He has been a target for years by the rest of the league and very little is ever done about it. What other player, let alone super star, would have gotten thrown out for those two BS calls. The refs think they're larger than life and in this case completely failed by issuing the 2nd technical. As soon as that was done the arena emptied, the TV channel was turned, and the game was handed to the Suns. The ref should be the one getting fined. No discretion and thin skinned to the detriment of the game. The ref swallowed his whistle when Blake scored and compounded his mistake by losing track of the big picture and throwing Blake out for nothing. Joke.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/warriors/reggie-miller-clippers-complain-just-about-every-call?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

I hate to read this kind of news but it's true.

Blake is a mild mannered guy that is treated with a double standard that does not apply to the rest of the league. He continually gets hammered without getting a whistle. He has been a target for years by the rest of the league and very little is ever done about it. What other player, let alone super star, would have gotten thrown out for those two BS calls. The refs think they're larger than life and in this case completely failed by issuing the 2nd technical. As soon as that was done the arena emptied, the TV channel was turned, and the game was handed to the Suns. The ref should be the one getting fined. No discretion and thin skinned to the detriment of the game. The ref swallowed his whistle when Blake scored and compounded his mistake by losing track of the big picture and throwing Blake out for nothing. Joke.

My thoughts exactly. Who the f*ck do these refs think they are? Do they not understand how the marketability just goes straight down the drain if a star player gets tossed out? Too bad Adam Silver is a f*ckin idiot and doesn't understand that well enough. He should put a more strict protocol on these refs so they keep their composure as well. Like Chris Paul and Redick were already out, kicking Blake out only destroyed our chances of winning and just made the game super boring to watch too. Hopefully this crazy power the refs have can be controlled over time. Not the first time they've done this crap.

YES - PLEASE STOP COMPLAINING!

FOCUS ON THE NEXT PLAY! Good lawd... look at The Spurs. Not only do they NOT complain, they don't even celebrate - they are zen/balanced/emotionally in check and FOCUSED ON THE PLAY.

Champions focus on the details of the game and remain focused and tuned in... As soon as you stop to complain about the PREVIOUS play, you are no longer focused on the task at hand. So even if you don't mind how whiney it comes off - COMPLAINING = LOSING TEAM

CHAMPIONS DO NOT COMPLAIN LIKE THIS, PERIOD. It starts with DOC - he is the one to blame, he complains the most.

I understand Blake's frustration, he's only human. Getting slapped in the head for 48 minutes night after night would get old really fast. And contrary to all the talk Blake's not soft, he's been putting up with it for the benefit of the team. But it appears that Blake's patience is finally wearing out, someone's about to get decked. If it's going to happen I just hope it doesn't happen late in the season when the importance of individual games is magnified.

Being soft refers to one's mental state.

If your mentally unable to handle a bad call, you are NOT mentally tough. So when someone calls Blake soft, they don't mean he's a p*ssy... they mean he can't handle remaining FOCUSED. They could have a point.

All these dudes need to learn patience and composure or they will get nowhere. Is Blake the worst? No way.. but if you have too many players like this, it creates a culture that only results in not winning the Finals.

Lmao I had to laugh at this post. It's so full of crap.

Spurs don't complain? Have you seen tim Duncan play? He complains after every foul call, even if he blatantly fouled.

Again this is a myth, that there are teams who don't complain. Whoever says that, just tell me which game this is and I'll go watch it.

So since you made a claim, please tell me which game to watch where players are complaint about Calls and non calls.

Championship teams don't complain? Have you ever heard of a guy named Kobe? Lebron?

Again it's all bullshit. A bunch of nonsense to hate on the clippers using non factual data.

And I'll say it again, point me to this game where coaches and players are not complaining to refs.

I'll wait

So, your theory is that all teams complain just as much as the Clippers, but the refs are out to get the Clippers only? It's not true, dude.

I'm a Clippers FAN, I love them... but be real. The Clippers LEAD the league in technical fouls last year.

If you can't see the difference between Tim Duncan looking annoyed at getting a foul vs Blake Griffin chasing the ref down and yelling at him while someone is shooting free throws, then I can't help you see the light. You're a good fan, but don't be blind to the fact that they complain too much and they complain in the worst possible way.

Btw, The Spurs had the LEAST amount of Technicals last year... there's a reason people refer to them as Machines - they got it right and they're the best coached team in pro sports.

Complaining to the Refs has caused the Clippers the inability to get back down the court in time to block a shot or play defense. Long after the call, they're still steaming. losing concentration and focus. The energy that's used complaining should be used in playing the game. Also, complaining to the Refs has led to techs and free throws for the other team.

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Blake's problem is that he's huge, he's a star, but he doesn't get the HUGE STAR treatment. He's beat up to no end and no call after no call.. I'd be pissed off too.

Blake's problem is that he's huge, he's a star, but he doesn't get the HUGE STAR treatment. He's beat up to no end and no call after no call.. I'd be pissed off too.

True, true, Blake takes a beating pretty much every game which is not fair. But maybe his treatment would change if the complaining stopped, maybe not, but the complaining certainly doesn't seem to work.

Complaining is fine. It can get you an edge. The T's have to stop. You have to know where the line is.

Complaining is fine. It can get you an edge. The T's have to stop. You have to know where the line is.

Maybe for some teams but is seems to tip over the edge with the Clips and backfire.

Maybe for some teams but is seems to tip over the edge with the Clips and backfire.

Yeah. That's why it's important that they figure out where the line is and not cross from complaining to getting T's. The T's don't help.

Yep, that's one stat the Clippers have done very "well" in the last 5 years as I referenced too in another thread.

We've been ranked in the "top" (bad, lol) 5 those last 5 seasons; starting in the 2010/11 year, 4th, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 1st. So far this season we're ranked 2nd behind the GSW.

The Spurs in that same time period have been near the bottom.

And yes, we need to tone it down a bit. Please.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/team-technical-fouls/2015/

Popovich is even worse than Doc but is revered by the refs who let him get away with murder. Tim Duncan would have a hissy fit if he got half the abuse Blake takes. I've seen Duncan get tapped and display more displeasure than Blake did on that second technical many times without getting teed up, Duncan is a bad example. He is spoiled and gets most every call going his way.

Popovich is even worse than Doc but is revered by the refs who let him get away with murder. Tim Duncan would have a hissy fit if he got half the abuse Blake takes. I've seen Duncan get tapped and display more displeasure than Blake did on that second technical many times without getting teed up, Duncan is a bad example. He is spoiled and gets most every call going his way.

Maybe that's your truth, but the results/facts show different.

Just wanted to bring up that this problem reared its ugly head again in last night's game. 2 techs lead to 2 free points. Even though the Clippers lost by 7, it was a closer game than that obviously, so those 2 precious points could have made a difference. I hope Doc, CP & Blake take a leadership role in this and that the Clippers DRASTICALLY cut down on the techs the rest of the way.

Popovich is even worse than Doc but is revered by the refs who let him get away with murder. Tim Duncan would have a hissy fit if he got half the abuse Blake takes. I've seen Duncan get tapped and display more displeasure than Blake did on that second technical many times without getting teed up, Duncan is a bad example. He is spoiled and gets most every call going his way.

In what world? Honestly... In. What. World?