The Gallinari Predicament

I see a lot of people suggesting that we may have to trade Gallinari in order to sign 2 max free agents. With that said, what would you trade him for would it be a complete salary dump, would it be for a productive player on a friendly contract, or would be for pick or a combination of all 3. Essentially Gallinari was a vital Piece in the success of this season, averaging basically 20 PPG, He's gotta have some value. Now I understand that Beverley would probably command a significance amount of cash, and maintaining some cap flexibility may be needed to keep him.Judging from his importance, productivity and leadership of this team. So I'm guessing he would command somewhere from 8 to 12 million per year. If that transpire and lets say he resign on the lower end couldn't we just resign him with the non taxpayer mid level exception which is like 8.6 million. Also we have a bi-annual exception as well that we could possibly throw at Green.

What's everyone's thought? Would you rather keep Gallo or Trade him? If so for what?

What about targeting TJ Warren. Shave off around 11-12 million off that cap. A player who can score off the bench with Lou an Montrezl and can provide significant rest for a potential Kwahi Acquisition. Why the sun do it, Well they have a bevy of forwards (warren, Jackson, Oubre & Bridges) and may not want invest in all of those forwards, Gallinari expiring contract and productivity could get those remaining 3 years of warren off the books and give them a productive stretch 4 to pair with Ayton and Booker. And to sweeten the deal maybe a couple of second round picks.

Trade Gallo regardless if we get Kawhi or not. Gallo missed just about all of last year and many games throughout his time in the league. This year is the aberration. If we don't get Kawhi or Durant , trade Gallo for young pieces that will compliment Shamet, Gilgeous-Alxander, and Robinson. I do not want Gallinari back-one year does not outweigh his injury prone career.

That Is what I'm saying, He has value rather get something for him than nothing.

Teams on the cusp of a deep playoff push might want him. I would try and see if Boston, Denver, or Portland would want him. A late 1st rounder and a prospect would be nice

Yeah, he definitely has value. All these people on the board crapping on Gallo saying dump him for salary are crazy. Yes, he is injury prone and wasn’t the most aggressive in the playoffs but he was still a huge part of our success. He’d be a wonderful 3rd piece if we signed two big stars and is excellent as a stretch 4. I wouldn’t mind keeping him TBH, his salary is very fair for his production. We could use our MLE (I think) to design Beverly and as another poster said above BAE to sign Green. I don’t think we need to add a ton of other players besides two stars. We are in a very good position and don’t even need to add any salary cap space if we can resign Beverley with the MLE.

One reason I have faith in Gallo staying healthy is over the last summer he didn’t play in any international competition and said he was committed to his personal health and training. As a fellow injury prone person I know ho important putting the work in Thor health and body training is. I don’t think it was a fluke this year and was more a reflection of the change in approach

You have it backwards. Last year was his second worst year for games played, and this year was close to his average games played per season. I was saying that as they year began that people had gotten the wrong impression of his health based on the prior year.

Gallo has averaged 54 games per season. He is well known to be injury prone. We need to trade him if it can free up another max contract. If not we need to get a productive player in return. If we sign Kawhi it makes no sense to trade gallo for just a draft pick and a scrub with getting a max salary player.

Kawhi isn’t coming here to rebuild. He is ready to win now. I’d rather keep gallo then to get nothing in return and not sign another big FA

Yes, he's injury prone, and I am not disputing that. I am disputing that he is AS injury prone as pageC4 was saying. His games played this year is much closer to his average than his games played the prior year. And this year we had a new top level training crew working with him in ways he'd never had before.

I am not saying keep him - trade him if it means a second star. But I am saying keep him if it does not mean a second star. There is no point to salary dumping him if we don't have someone better to spend that money on. Also, who would trade a young good player for a one year rental on Gallinari?

That Is why I suggested Pursuing TJ Warren, Suns have a log jam at the sf position, and given booker and Aytons age they may want to go younger. Essentially swapping Gallo for TJ would help trim like 11 million in cap, while adding depth to the forward position. We'd still have the flexibility to sign 2 max players and use the MLE and BAE to resign both Beverley and Green. Imagine the if we Signed both Kwahi and Durant and flipped Gallo for warren and resigned Beverley,Green and Zubac. We'd be 10 deep and scoring would come easy in both lineups.

Potential Depth chart:

Shai/Beverley

Shamet/Lou

Kwahi/Warren

Durant/Green

Zubac/Harrell

Trade him for a early 2nd rd pick if you can’t get a first. No reason to keep Gallo unless you’re hoping he maintains the same level of play and you trade him at the deadline but would much rather have him gone before the season starts. Suppose he has the same type of season or even better, what do you do? Extend him? Let him walk for nothing? The time is now to sell. He’s not part of the future moving forward so get rid of him and his regular season means nothing if he sh!ts the bed come playoff time. SELL!

Come on dude, Gallo is worth more than a 2nd round pick, I much rather flip him for a cheaper rotation piece. Bare in mind, Doc doesn't usually favor younger players, best to get a piece that doc will; actually use. Make a trade that opens space and give us a quality piece would be best.

If we only sign one superstar you keep Galo unless you can upgrade him to a superstar. He has a friendly contract and I don’t think you can find another complimentary player who can guard 3-5 while put up 20 points for 17 mil/year.

I don’t think you can sell high on Galo during the summer. You wait during the season for teams who may think it’s their year like Philly who is more likely gamble their future to compete immediately

Worth more to who?

Doc just started a rookie for an entire season and 2 rookies in the playoffs lol

Mean/median averages are tricky. Yes his mean is 54 but it's computed by adding years he played very little or not at all, plus years where he played a lot. Nobody can quantify how they were injured, Although he played 0 games last year and 82 this year (rounded of) a 43 mean as far as impact is misleading but what else do we have? An accident and an injury are different. Mean is a good "fudge factor". He however is injury really prone. Keep him unless we get KD.He's an "almost all star" Looks like Tobias might want $$$.

It’s not that simple. So how do you get Kawhi? You sell him that you are rebuilding? You just gave away your top scorer for a second rounder. How does that help us compete for a chip?

Kawhi isn’t coming here to rebuild. The selling point is we put the best team around him. And that team has to be better than the raptors.

If you can’t find a player to replace gallos production you keep him so Kawhi has a second option.

I'm keeping Gallo if we only get one superstar in the off season. He could fit perfectly behind a Kawhi or Durant and become the 2nd option on offense. We would just need another quality big

Yup if you sign Kawhi or Durant you don’t turn around and trade your 2nd or 3rd best player for the “future” you trade him for a possible upgrade or keep him

Gallo has a huge expiring contract with a lot of teams in cap hell like the Thunder. I think we can commit highway robbery in a Gallo trade.

Who said he’s coming here to rebuild? Gallo has been here 2 seasons, a shitty one and a decent regular season/shitty post season. If we’re going to pair Kawhi and Gallo then we’re better off not even adding Kawhi. Gallo does nothing for this team when it matters. If you could unload him into cap space somewhere for a early second round pick/ late 1st, although I don’t see a team trading a first for him. And to say there’s no second option on a team with Lou Williams on it then I guess our perspective on basketball is way different. I’d rather the team split the 20 mil Gallo is set to earn and split it for Bev and Green. Anyway, the hope is for Kawhi and KD. We ain’t winning anything with Gallo, you can bet on that.

Agreed. You only unload if that 2nd superstar is available. Otherwise, keep him until something better comes along. We have until the deadline.

Gallo's a decent guy and a very good player, but I won't miss him.

He's the antithesis of what Jerry West has built in this team... physically soft, and melts in crunch time.

Get whatever you can for him... picks, cap relief. He's not going to make the difference between a superstar choosing L.A. or N.Y.

When we built the current team, we had just gotten rid of CP0. Gallinari was known to miss quite a few games throughout his career. He was a gamble that backfired in his first year. When you look at his career, he has only logged 68 games or more two other times. He ranges anywhere from 14 games, 48, 41, 71, 59, etc. He was a good signing when we made it because we had lost Paul, and we were not expected to be the same team. If he didn't stay healthy, it was not a huge loss since we lost Paul and were not expected to make the playoffs. If he did stay healthy, then we would win that gamble. We have no need to keep him now. The plan was always 2019, when we would unveil our true plan. Do we want to keep an injury prone, stop gap player? I hope not. The time is now. Trade him for picks and youth. Free up that cap space for two max slots. Go for the players we really want, and don't keep the players that were meant as a place holder for the real prizes. Gallinari MUST be traded.

Toronto is going to be key here. If Kawhi wants out, we could unload Gallinari's contract. Then we can pursue a second max player. Gallo had a great season, but I don't trust his health staying the same.

So you saying being able to tell a superstar your #2 averages 20 ppg and 43% from vs having a 2nd round draft pick won’t make a difference? So you saying superstars don’t care about having a team that can win? If that’s the case Kawhi should just stay in Toronto with Lowry.

Gallinari has never, never been the draw for any superstar to join a team.

Durant: "What? You traded Gallinari? I'm going to the Knicks!"

Can't picture this scenario? It's because Gallinari is not that level of player.

When players look at the Clippers as a team they can potentially sign with, they’re looking at Pat Bev, Lou Will, and Trez. Add SGA and Sham yo that after this postseason. Gallo is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Maybe not so irrelevant since he takes up $20 mil of cap space.

Name the theoretical trade where someone gives up a good young player for a 1 year rental on Gallinari. I want to hear a specific trade you think is possible.

Yea but you have to think a bit more critically. Can’t just make arguments with a bunch of generalizations.

You have to replace his product. 20ppg and shooting 43% from the field. I know in fantasy land it doesn’t matter, just throw any young player to replace him and it will be enough.

Gallo was the primary option in the starting unit. You take away that without a replacement, There is no point in a superstar trying to win a chip to come here. Makes no sense.

I would rather upgrade Gallo than keep him. But I don’t make emotional estimations either. If you can’t replace his production you keep him.

So they aren’t looking at the primary scorer and the 6’10 forward who is one of the top 3 point shooters in the nba at 43%. Yea. That makes a lot of sense. Yea they are looking at Shamet (who I really like) but realistically is still really young and averaged 11 ppg.

Gallo is a very skilled forward whether you like him or not, and giving him up without replace his production is idiotic.

I’m with you, Gallo would be a very attractive piece for another superstar to team up with. He is low maintenance (when uninjured), great outside shooter doesn’t need the ball in humid hands can rebound well and play defense and will defer to the better player. The problem for us this year is we wanted him to be our 25ppg guy making the clutch shot every time and he isn’t that

Ummmm Kawhi would be his replacement. Or KD. Game 2 tells me everything I need to know. Gallo was not part of that comeback. Shamet will be here longer, and at this point of his career has a higher ceiling. And he’s cheaper. How is that idiotic? Lol

You know what sounds pretty idiotic? Expecting and relying on Gallo to repeat this season, especially when his career track record proves otherwise.

then keep him. Let him get injured. Watch the Clippers rot again. I don't have to produce names...thats the front offices job. But I want him out u want him to stay.

Gallo is a good player but not great. Wasn't our goal 2019? Gallo was the guy who kept us interesting. 2019 is here he is no longer needed. You do not sign a player just cause he is the only option. If we did this franchise would be sh#t. His numbers mean sh#t. He isn't in the lineup most of the time....ride with Gallo postman..see where it gets you. I'm on the trade him camp

1) Again, this was close to his average number of games.

2) I don't "want him to stay". I "want to trade him for a star". But if we cannot do that, then why do you imagine someone would trade a good young player for a one year rental on him?

didn't West trade Harris for picks and young players?..people already traded a journeyman for assets why not again?

When KL tells Ujiri he's going to the Clips we will offer Gallo in S&T and they will accept. We might have to add in Jerome or a pick but it won't take much. He can slot in and pick up a lot of the slack on offense and he's better than most people thought defensively. He's also a guy who would fit the culture and likely be willing to resign in Toronto. They'll still be one of the top 4 teams in the east and he's a 20mil expiring contract that can be traded at the deadline if they don't like how it's going.

The alternative for Toronto is replacing Leonard with a bag of dicks. They'll have no cap space and no options. It could force them to totally tear it down and rebuild...Usually a GM in this situation would not want to start over so I think it's extremely likely that we will be able to bully them into this scenario.

Then we'll still have way more than a max slot to sign KD if he's interested and also bring Beverly back.

I can’t think of any reason Toronto wouldn’t jump at our offer. I don’t think we have to include Jerome. They either get nice talent back or they don’t. Their roster is loaded moneywise. They can’t really add anyone of value otherwise.

would Portland have any interest in moving Harkless and Meyers Leonard and perhaps Gary Trent Jr. for Danilo and a sign 'n trade Motley ??

With Gallo, we have to be patient but not too patient. If a trade offer comes up that's too good to refuse (future picks, Beal, Kawhi s&t) we make the move no hesitation. It wouldn't be a good idea to trade him for the sake of clearing space without first getting a commitment from the FA(s) we want. There's no rush to move Gallo because his game is so valuable to what we're building here. He doesn't need to dominate the ball to be effective which compliments our youth development, allowing guys like SGA, Shamet, and Robinson to get opportunities. It feels like he's naturally a third option, but can thrive as a 2nd option as he did along Tobias Harris early, assuming we sign at least 1 Max FA. He does so many good things that can put a team over the top, which is why he should have a good amount of trade value, but could still continue to be a fantastic piece for us as well.

If we were to strike out in FA for whatever reason, Gallo's contract could still help us pull off a deal for a star or up and coming player to grow alongside our current youth. We already have a TON of cap space w/o moving Gallo. The only reason I could see for trading him before getting commitments, is to free up a little more space to bring back guys like Green and Beverley who will each have cap holds that will count against our salary when Free agency begins. No matter what, Gallo's stellar play this past season has virtually guaranteed that his contract helps us more than it hurts us. He's given us a ton of options moving forward.

Difference is Harris is younger less injury prone, on a career year

Doc was pretty much forced to do that. Shai didn't begin starting until Avery Bradley got hurt, Before we had to suffer with Doc pushing the whole Beverley and Bradley Defensive backcourt narrative. Shamet began starting sooner because of lack of options. Wilson chandler was hurt. And initially Doc slid Temple in to replace Harris in the starting lineup. If it wasn't for the great game in Boston, Shamet would have came off the bench. But then again its not like he had to complete with a bevy of starting caliber small forwards, Gallo was slid at PF. So all he had to compete against for the starting spot was temple, and maybe Thornwell and Wallace

true, but both share one thing in common, they are third options.

LMFAO! A bag of d#cks. Dude, you almost made me spill my soda

Good question. I'm not sure. I'm not familiar with Gary Trent. Is he any good?

the Harris trade proves this is possible. Teams right on the cusp will trade a prospect and pick because they are in the game to win it now, not in 3-4 years. Gallinari can be a difference maker for teams like Portland, Denver, Houston, Boston, Toronto, etc. As for specifics I don't know who on those rosters is young, so I'll leave that to Jerry West. My point is that recent trades prove this is possible. Gallinari does have value, and playoff teams will sacrifice a pick they view as useless to get it done. We even gave up a 1st rounder to get him. I'm not sure why you find the idea incredulous.

Denver don't wan't Gallo

Houston maybe but what would we get back, plus we wouldn't be free up cap with a trade with them

Portland maybe, same cause we would still have cap on books via trade, solves nothing

Toronto, might do it if they already know Kwahi is leaving and they don't want to leave empty handed

Boston I doubt it, they already have enough injury prone players, plus a bevy of wings

A team that could possibly be interest is the Utah Jazz

wherever you can get a trade. The Harris trade set us up nicely. I can't believe what we got for him. If Philly wins it this year though I'm sure they won't regret the trade. Hopefully West can find some gems in the late first round

A nice gem in the late second round could be Darius Bazley