Blake and DJ have improved so much from last season, I think both of them deserve to be
mentioned for MIP.
From being an offensive liability last year, DJ is now a rebounding machine and slowly
becoming a stud on both ends. What I'm most impressed by him is his key blocks and FREE
THROWS in clutch situations.
Although 99% of you would probably disagree, up until CP3's injury, I've always thought BG to
be somewhat over-rated. However what he's done since then has been very
impressive, so much so that I rank him 3rd for MVP.
Other players that I think should be nominated are:
Anthony Davis
Goran Dragic
Gerald Green
Kyle Lowry
Isaiah Thomas
Demarcus Cousins
Paul George
My pick would be Dragic, 2nd DJ, tied 3rd Lowry/Davis.
Who you guys got?
fray_27 Clipper StarterPosts: 294votes: 3
03/09/2014 - 11:02 PM
As much as I would want it to go to DJ I think Dragic deserves it I pretty much agree with
your picks
CP3Heliflopter CNS MVP X2Posts: 7602votes: 14
03/09/2014 - 11:10 PM
I also pick Dragic. I think DJ is a top 5 candidate though. Still can't believe Dragic
got snubbed for the ASG but the same thing happened to Curry the season before. The
West is too stacked.
Clipswhit Clipper All-StarPosts: 1804votes: 9
03/09/2014 - 11:26 PM
I had to pick DJ, he's improved in so many areas. Goran has become a (much) better
scoring threat. DJ has become a defensive anchor, improved his FT shooting, now
leads the league in rebounding, and is near the top in blocks. Goran's rise
impressive, but DJ has put it all together.
clipper*joe CNS Champion UltraPosts: 22137Location: los angeles votes: 179
03/09/2014 - 11:48 PM
Dragic easily. He's carried a bunch of nobody's to a formidable and competitive team. DJ is
not in Dragic's class. DJ doesn't lead a team, Dragic does. Case
closed.
ClipTakeover Clipper StarterPosts: 788votes: 2
03/10/2014 - 01:09 AM
Definitely gotta be DJ, not just because of being on the Clippers, but just his improvement on
BOTH ends stands out so much from last season to this! It is really crazy to see it
happen right in front of ours eyes too!
Steady818 Clipper All-StarPosts: 1691Location: North Hollywoooooood 818 votes: 12
03/10/2014 - 01:18 AM
Dragic or bust as far as this list goes.. I would also have thrown lance Stephenson to the
list
ClipperPostman CNS MVP X2Posts: 8902votes: 62
03/10/2014 - 03:06 AM
clipper*joe wrote:
Dragic easily. He's carried a bunch of nobody's to a formidable and competitive
team. DJ is not in Dragic's class. DJ doesn't lead a team, Dragic does. Case closed.
Really? Where has Dragic lead them?
Because last I checked when Bledsoe went down
he could barely "carry" them to a few games above .500
Might need to re-open that case
bk201 Clipper StarterPosts: 260votes: 0
03/10/2014 - 03:27 AM
ClipperPostman wrote:
Really? Where has Dragic lead them?
Because last I checked when Bledsoe went down
he could barely "carry" them to a few games above .500
Might need to re-open that case
Dragic did carry them... Most of us expected that suns won't be able to stay in the playoff
picture when bledsoe goes down yet they are still here fighting for playoff
position...
Silasie CNS MVP X1Posts: 4224votes: 10
03/10/2014 - 07:36 AM
fray_27 wrote:
As much as I would want it to go to DJ I think Dragic deserves it
Agreed!
namzug CNS MVP X1Posts: 2581Location: So CalJoined: 01/10/2013votes: 21
03/10/2014 - 10:39 AM
I like Dragic, but I would put Green in there with Dragic as far as helping that team.
Everyone on that team has stepped up, and Green looked like he was on his way to some
European team before this season. With Bledsoe they were winning at something
around 67% and without Bled they are at around 53% (I know there are other factors
such as schedule and fatigue) that is an extreme drop off considering we were at
around 66% without Paul and 69% with him. I know we have a better team, Paul is also
still better than Bled at this point.
Dragic wasn't that bad to begin with and neither was Lowry, I've always considered both of
them under-rated. Stephenson would be a good choice except that he showed his value
last season during the playoffs, probably hurting his chances slightly for MIP. I
wouldn't think it would be a robbery if Dragic, Stephenson, DJ or even little Isaiah
Thomas got it. I would choose DJ because I'm biased towards our
team.
As recently as this offseason the vast majority of people on this board were wanting to
see DJ gone, now he is leading the league in rebounding, FG% and top five in blocks. I
think he get's the short end of the stick as far as a defender due to our initial lack of
perimeter defenders (nobody would stop dribble penetration), and being really
the only defender for a large part of the season. He still needs work, but that
improvement is crazy.
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jarca CNS MVP ChampionPosts: 15671votes: 70
03/10/2014 - 11:03 AM
Dragic and I like DJ
namzug CNS MVP X1Posts: 2581Location: So Calvotes: 21
03/10/2014 - 11:45 AM
I just like DJ over Dragic due to the gap between last year and this. I considered
Dragic similar to George Hill who is a starting PG on an elite contender last year,
where I didn't see DJ as a viable starting Center for an Elite Contender last
year.
It's close either way, just think as far as Improvement from year to year it would go to DJ.
Doubling your rebounds and anchoring a defense in one year is amazing, but so is
keeping a team in the playoffs when expected to be a tanking team.
I just like DJ over Dragic due to the gap between last year and this. I considered
Dragic similar to George Hill who is a starting PG on an elite contender last year,
where I didn't see DJ as a viable starting Center for an Elite Contender last
year.
It's close either way, just think as far as Improvement from year to year it would go to DJ.
Doubling your rebounds and anchoring a defense in one year is amazing, but so is
keeping a team in the playoffs when expected to be a tanking team.
I think the gap for both players from last year to this year is pretty
similar.
I just find it more impressive that Dragic, who's never been the star player for any
team, is still averaging 20ppg and shooting 50-40 even after opponents recognize
him as the #1 threat for the Suns. This opinion though is probably because I prefer
offense more than defense.
namzug CNS MVP X1Posts: 2581Location: So Calvotes: 21
03/10/2014 - 02:44 PM
You make a great point, because my opinion is probably skewed toward defense since that
is what I prefer. I like Dragic, I just don't think it's a hands down decision. I also
think if they get knocked out of the playoffs you have to go with DJ or Lance, since
it's so close.
clipper*joe CNS Champion UltraPosts: 22137Location: los angeles votes: 179
03/10/2014 - 03:05 PM
namzug wrote:
You make a great point, because my opinion is probably skewed toward defense since
that is what I prefer. I like Dragic, I just don't think it's a hands down decision. I
also think if they get knocked out of the playoffs you have to go with DJ or Lance,
since it's so close.
DJ is the best rebounder but still a horrible defensive player in the post and paint.
His overall improvement is great but when he's still terrible at FT's, I wouldn't
give him any award. The only talk about DJ winning most improved is happening on this
board. he's not in the overall conversation.
tense2 CNS MVP X3Posts: 14209votes: 32
03/10/2014 - 04:38 PM
Both DJ and Stevenson are in the top 5, but Dragic is the winner IMO.
jarca CNS MVP ChampionPosts: 15671votes: 70
03/10/2014 - 06:42 PM
clipper*joe wrote:
DJ is the best rebounder but still a horrible defensive player in the post and paint.
His overall improvement is great but when he's still terrible at FT's, I wouldn't
give him any award. The only talk about DJ winning most improved is happening on this
board. he's not in the overall conversation.
Barkley, Reggie, JVG, Steve Kerr, I heard them mention his name.
Clipswhit Clipper All-StarPosts: 1804votes: 9
03/10/2014 - 09:41 PM
clipper*joe wrote:
DJ is the best rebounder but still a horrible defensive player in the post and paint.
His overall improvement is great but when he's still terrible at FT's, I wouldn't
give him any award. The only talk about DJ winning most improved is happening on this
board. he's not in the overall conversation.
Horrible defensive player? Yeah, he'll have a few lapses here and there, but if you think he's
a horrible defensive player, we're clearly not watching the same
guy.
clips15deep Clipper StarterPosts: 392votes: 2
03/10/2014 - 09:47 PM
I didn't think about him until I saw his name on the poll, but I think that it should be
Kyle Lowry. They started the year horribly, then traded their "star"
Rudy Gay. Most teams would have faded, but Lowry along with Derozan have carried the
Raptors since that trade. Also I just felt like everyone was voting for Dragic or Dj
and I wanted to add another perspective.
namzug CNS MVP X1Posts: 2581Location: So CalJoined: 01/10/2013votes: 21
03/11/2014 - 12:04 PM
@Clipper*Joe, I'm getting some small hint that you still don't like DJ too much. I know you don't
like the guy, but his improvement is undeniable. If you think that Dragic should get
the award that's cool, but why you insist on taking any and all credit away from DJ's
all around improvement away from him is beyond me (you give him his props in
rebounding, but I suspect it's only because he is leading the league in rebounding
making it very difficult to fault his rebounding).
DJ is in the conversation, in fact every nationally televised game this year his
improvement has been mentioned. I've said that if the Suns still make the playoffs
and knock out Dallas or Memphis I would have to really consider giving it to him, but
due to their hot start if they fall out of the Playoffs (which they are barely out
looking in right now) after being ahead of Golden State at the end of the year I would
have to lean toward DJ, Lance Stephenson, Kyle Lowry, Derozan, and heck even Blake
since he is climbing up into the MVP converstation on top teams.
I didn't think about him until I saw his name on the poll, but I think that it should be
Kyle Lowry. They started the year horribly, then traded their "star"
Rudy Gay. Most teams would have faded, but Lowry along with Derozan have carried the
Raptors since that trade. Also I just felt like everyone was voting for Dragic or Dj
and I wanted to add another perspective.
Kyle Lowry is probably the most clutch player this season. He single-handedly won
around 7-8 games for the Raps and in my opinion is no doubt the most valuable player
(not DeRozan) for their team this season. My problem with him is that although his
stats improved, his efficiency really hasn't. He's forced to be in clutch
situations because of some inefficient plays earlier in games. He definitely
deserves props, but just can't put him over Dragic, especially how bad the East
is.
Keatonsays Clipper All-StarPosts: 1725votes: 29
03/11/2014 - 01:15 PM
I think DJ has an extremely strong argument due to the fact that he's almost doubled
his rebounding numbers since last season. The other candidates have all increased
their point totals by around 7 points on average, while DJ has increased his
rebounding numbers by 7 points. You only get credit for 1 rebound but you get at least
2 points for every fg you make so for that reason, I think it would be harder to double
rebounding stats than point totals.
Also, He's become one of the best defensive centers in the league. He has a better
Defensive rating than Dwight Howard and Anthony Davis, and is just 1 point away from
being tied with Roy Hibbert who's supposedly the best defensive center (DJ is at 98
Roy is at 97).
DJ is averaging 10pts 14rebs 2.4blks and 1stl p/g. He can make a strong argument for
defensive player of the year which is a huge change from last
season.
CapsNClips CNS MVP X2Posts: 5408votes: 61
03/11/2014 - 01:18 PM
Blake has a good shot at All-NBA 1st Team. Positions don't really matter on those
selections, so they could put Durant at SG, LBJ at SF and Blake at PF.
I remember at the beginning of the season I predicted he'd make the All-NBA 1st Team
and everybody thought I was crazy.
BringKamanBack Clipper StarterPosts: 319votes: 2
03/11/2014 - 02:24 PM
I vote gerald green. Dude went from only being able to dunk last year to averaging 30
points in march of this year
I think DJ has an extremely strong argument due to the fact that he's almost doubled
his rebounding numbers since last season. The other candidates have all increased
their point totals by around 7 points on average, while DJ has increased his
rebounding numbers by 7 points. You only get credit for 1 rebound but you get at least
2 points for every fg you make so for that reason, I think it would be harder to double
rebounding stats than point totals.
Also, He's become one of the best defensive centers in the league. He has a better
Defensive rating than Dwight Howard and Anthony Davis, and is just 1 point away from
being tied with Roy Hibbert who's supposedly the best defensive center (DJ is at 98
Roy is at 97).
DJ is averaging 10pts 14rebs 2.4blks and 1stl p/g. He can make a strong argument for
defensive player of the year which is a huge change from last season.
Where DJ has made a good size jump is in his TRB%/per minute #'s (from 17.6 to 21.8, .294 to
.392). So it's a bit misleading to say he actually doubled (as both of our announcers
like to say) without looking at the minutes he's playing this
year.
PER 36 shows he's always had a very very high percentage/chance to reach double figures
in rebounding if he only got the required minutes. I argued with some posters about
that very thing last year and the times where he got +30 minutes he did just that in a
large majority of those games.
DJ is progressing nicely with his defense, but he still needs to get better in the rim
defense/protection department where he's allowing +50% of FGM to FGA
there.
Next year he will continue to improve on his defense and FT%. Again I think he's
definitely is in the top 5 in the player improvement category. More to come next
season.
namzug CNS MVP X1Posts: 2581Location: So CalJoined: 01/10/2013votes: 21
03/11/2014 - 03:01 PM
I agree tense2 with everything you said. The minutes and the confidence that goes
with it has a large part to play in DJ's improved play.
I have also thought the lack of perimeter defenders hurt him some as well as the lack of
a solid back up in regards to what he was giving up at the rim (I'm saying it's a shared
responsibility between him and the other two circumstances). I will argue that
this stat as well as his FT% has gone up quite a bit from where he started this same
season. He was giving 62% at the rim at the beginning of the season and was shooting
worse than last year at the charity stripe, and has now brought both to preferable
places.
He does have some bonehead plays and sometimes is out of place, but I think the
improvement from last year to now is immense. I think it is more than any other player
with the exception of Lance, and if Lance hadn't shown any of his improvement last
year during the playoffs I would be betting he was going to win the
award.
I think Hornacek deserves the coach of the year award, and I don't feel great about
giving them the most improved player and coach of the year award while being so close
to the playoffs and missing them right at the end. Hornacek did the best with what he
had, he fit the right system with the right players.