Jared Dudley & Other Player Targets for Clippers 2013-14

Dudley in terms of overall value is the best. Afflalo is overpaid for his talent and production, Mayo is okay, but not as good as people seem to think he is. Dudley hits the sweet spot of just a bit above role player, and an effective two way player who brings 3/D, but he's not a SG. He's best at SF.

Toney Douglas is actually a nice 3/D PG that wouldn't be a bad fit for this team.

Tony Allen is a good choice, but my thoughts on him are that while he's more versatile than Bledsoe defensively as he can guard 1/2/3, and Bledsoe, 1, and 2, you're forfeiting offense and 3PT shooting with him, so why not just start Bledsoe at SG if you want to go pick up Tony Allen? He certainly isn't spreading the floor, and Bledsoe is a better shooter (not saying much) while also a high impact defender.

Martell Webster should be on the SF list, not the SG list. Problem of course is that there is not THAT much flexibility in terms of signing players, basically you sign one player for the whole MLE, or do a $2M/$3M split, or $2.5M/$2.5M, or $1.5M/$3.5M split amongst two players. You then have to question if the upgrade of for an example a guy making $2M - $2.5M is worth if over some guys that you could pay the veteran's minimum to.

If Bledsoe is traded, I would say:

PG - Get a minimum player

Sebastian Telfair, E'Twaun Moore?, John Lucas III, Earl Watson, Malik Wayns, Shaun Livingston?, C.J. Watson?

SG - Don't force it trying to get one

$4M: O.J. Mayo (he'll get the full MLE, so this won't get him)

$3M: Tony Allen

Minimum Attempts: Anthony Morrow, Keith Bogans, James Anderson? (if option not pick up)

SF - Go big if possible, it not, there are options

Full MLE: Paul Pierce

$3M: Martell Webster, Carlos Delfino

$2M: Matt Barnes, Mike Dunleavy

$1.25M: Al-Farouq Aminu (or minimum is possible)

Minimum Attempts: Ronnie Brewer, Chase Budinger, waived Hedo Turkoglu?

Big man:

Full MLE: None

$3M: Zaza Pachulia

$2.5M: Elton Brand, Jermaine O'neal

$2M: Earl Clark, Jason Smith (if option not picked up)

Minimum Attempts: Nazr Mohammed

Those are more variable than this implies, but that's kind of what you would be looking at. It's basically a pick two that adds up to about $5M out of the non minimum possible guys, or just go with one and use minimums.

Those players that you list as better can't and haven't delivered titles. Triple double not a threat?? That sounds silly. Sometimes the eye test means more than just the numbers. He doesn't need to score a lot of points yet he still averages double figures in points. I'd rather have my point guard run the team , distribute the rock, play defense, crash the boards and get 10 pts a game than score 18 pts. You don't think his defense is good even though he's always 1 or 2 in steals?

Rondo delivered a title? So what about Parker who has won and has a finals MVP, what did he do? And when you say Rondo "delivered" it, what do you mean, he was the, or a main cog? He wasn't and it's just like saying Mario Chalmers delivered a title. He delivered a title as much as you could say Perkins did in a comparison to Dwight Howard, it's a useless mention. It's only important if you believe other PG's in the same situation would have failed to produce enough for Boston to win. As if you stick Paul on that team and they don't have two or three title instead or just one. What exactly is the point of comparing totally different situations? What point is made in telling us that a PG can win a title with prime Ray Allen, Paul Pierce and KG, but not with Andei Kirolenko, Carlos Boozer and Mehmet Okur, or Peja Stojakovic, David West and Tyson Chandler? He won a title as the 4th best player behind KG, Pierce and Allen, and that's at best 4th best player. He averaged 10/4/7/.454 TS% in the post season when they won a title. In the conference finals and finals he averaged 9.3 / 4.1 / 6.6 / 36.2% FG / .414 TS% Yea, he really "delivered" that title on a platter. Rondo is a great example of a player who is overrated because of team success and his playoff impact is a bit overstated because of playing with an elite defense. I say this because without the defense holding down the opponent, Rondo has never single handedly produced enough on offense to win a series for his team just on offense. Paul for example has done so and still lost because his team defended even worse that his offensive production could....

Where the heck u get this stuff haha^^

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Like I said in my previous post Tony Parker/ Rajon Rondo are 1A/1B.

Stop with all the stats John Hollinger. Your points are all useless. Rondo/Parker are champions. CP3 is not. It is what it is. You can argue numbers and stats with me when CP3 gets through a conference finals. To suggest Rondo is inferior to Paul is comical.

You also said "Those players that you list as better can't and haven't delivered titles" and one of "those" players I listed was Parker. Let's ignore the fact that I'm using both the statistics and observation and just say "ignore the stats" because there is actually no real argument for Rondo being the best PG except for "look at how his team did". ...and that's exactly your problem you're still trying to argue that Rondo is better than others based on him winning a championship as a role player and the 4th best player on his team. By this logic, there were a ton of players better than KG until 03-04, I mean "Kenyon Martin went to the finals two years in a row", what was KG doing, losing in the first round. Conclusion, Kenyon was the second best PF after Duncan who also went to the finals. He led the #1 defense, carried them offensively and as an emotional leader. Do you think that is solid logic? I mean if you do, then that's okay, and there's no point discussing / debating anything. Now, what would be nice would be for you to address the points about the Celtics defense as the main reason. Their offense not declining, actually improving without Rondo, the fact that his own scoring doesn't actually improve an offense altogether, the fact that he's a spacing nightmare, the fact that his rebounding and "triple double threat" is far from something significant in the comparison you were making, especially to Paup who has 5 or 6 less triple doubles and averages 0.7 less rebounds per 36. Address those issues, it would make this a much more interesting conversation and excerxcise in understanding and analyzing what's going on outside of just "this team won, this team lost, the end." Supphector, there are....

Actually with that logic, Derek Fisher is better than all of them.

I have to agree with agent 0. If you want to go just on the visual do you really think that rondo could elevate the clippers the chris paul did, and literally carry the team for extended periods. I also believe that if chris paul was on those celtic teams they probably would of won another one or two titles.

I actually like rondo's game, and am not the biggest parker fan, but there are only a few players that can carry a team. Of all those players none of them seem to be lacking on the offensive side of the ball. Iggy is a great player, and if he had the offensive game to balance his game out he would be a superstar.

Speaking about efficiency I have to side with agent 0 as well. I think this is an easy subject if you look at it objectively.

Agent 0 turned me around on speights due to the efficiency matters topic. Once I really looked at Speights and his history, he really seems to settle for his jumper to much. This is not what I really want out of our big men unless we have dirk. Don't get me wrong I want someone who can hit an open 15 footer or further than 5 feet, but I don't want that to be their bread and butter. I coach my son's youth basketball team and always am preaching to go for the high percentage shot, get the lay up if you can or an easy bank shot if you got the angle, why wouldn't you want the same thing out of all your basketball players.

I know I got off subject there, but my point while no one is saying that rondo is not a good pg he is not on the same level as paul or some of the other guys mentioned. I believe that Williams is a stat guy and really doesn't have the same push as some of those other guys, and I believe that parker wouldn't be the same without the environment he got blessed with (Duncan and popovich coaching); but the argument could easily be made that they are closer than rondo.

Not really because Fish played in the triangle.

Exactly, Cahlmers is condisidered a champion twice so he MUST be better than Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, etc. lmfao I hate that logic and argument!

Chalmers doesn't handle point guard duties, he just plays the position. The ball is in Lebron's hand. Same with Kobe.

Dallas didn't win the title til Jason Kidd got there and ran the point.

PG don't need to be scorers.

Yep and that's my point. Can't compare teams/systems success when looking at individual success/stats to see who is more productive or the better player.

When comparing the individual numbers both basic and advanced, Paul has the better overall numbers.

Exactly, I think it is the word "overrated", people seem to interpret that as bad. No! Overrated doesn't mean bad! Rondo is a very good player, but he's not a superstar, he's not a franchise player, he has some big flaws that can be hidden on a good team, but not on others, and he has the luxury of playing next to other guys that carry the scoring load. He is overrated when people play out a scenario where he's carrying a bunch of old Celtics and is the main factor in them winning games. The reality is that KG was their defensive anchor, AND leading scorer and most consistent performer in the post-season last year for example. Rondo initiates, creates, scores a little, defends well most of the time, but his impact just doesn't reach KG's two way impact. Determining who is better just by which team has more success makes no sense. It implies that you are comparing apples to apples, when you're not, it's not logical at all. Year before Boston: 31 year old Ray Allen: 24/4/4 29 year old Paul Pierce: 25/6/4 30 year old Kevin Garnett: 21/12/4 Go find the equivalent of those players in the league today, stick Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Stephen Curry, etc at PG and see how much winning happens. First of all you can't even really find that kind of combination of players that fit so well and can all shoot which is a PG's dream. SG that comes off screens, pick and pop / pick and roll big that you can throw lobs to, SF that can spot up and you can iso when you need baskets. What players in the league can fill those roles? You could make a sort of similar version... Point Guard: - / - / - / James Harden: 26/5/6 Paul George: 17/8/4 LaMarcus Aldridge:....