Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
ESPN Insider Request: How DeAndre Jordan Has Improved
Clippers Forum » Clippers News & General Discussions
ESPN with the scoop again, I see.
Unless you're big into fantasy basketball or a close follower of the Clippers, it
might be easy to overlook the big season DeAndre Jordan is having in his first year
under Doc Rivers.
But, as NBA.com's stats department pointed via Twitter on Thursday, Jordan is in
fact having a breakout season in his sixth year as a pro.
Heading into last night's games, Jordan was leading the league in FG% (.649) and
rebounds per game (13.5) and was third in blocks
per....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
✓ Repped (+1)
That's great company, Thanks @FightOnRon always helping us out with these.
Thanks Ron for posting.
I'm not ready to buy into DJ being a great defender. He's a highlight machine
offensive / defensively, but because of these highlights, I think people
misinterpret them into him being a top defender in the league. There are so many
errors in his defensive game that a few highlight blocks won't make up for. Right
now, unless the ball comes to him, DJ will get out-hustled almost every rebound. He
hates getting physical, and also
gets....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
✓ Repped (+1)
Laak wrote:
Thanks Ron for posting.
I'm not ready to buy into DJ being a great defender. He's a highlight machine
offensive / defensively, but because of these highlights, I think people
misinterpret them into him being a top defender in the league. There are so many
errors in his defensive game that a few highlight blocks won't make up for. Right
now, unless the ball comes to him, DJ will get out-hustled almost every rebound. He
hates getting physical, and also
gets....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
ClipperDB wrote:
I agree. I admit he has improved this year, but... I don't see Clips as a championship
team unless he continues to work. Am I the only one who notices he has terrible hands;
a lot of good passes are dropped out of bounds, and he has to tap out rebounds because
he can't control them. ![]()
For the Clippers to be a championship type team they NEED continued improvement
from DJ AND Blake. Plus a decent back up big.
Not sure....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Hard to criticize the rebounding of the guy who leads the league in rebounding.
Might as well say Love and Howard will also get "outhustled unless the ball
comes to them" since they're both getting fewer boards in similar minutes
(Howard 1 min less, Love 1 min more).
Not saying there aren't other holes in his overall game, but the only flaw
concerning DJ and rebounding this season is that he's not showing Hollins how to do
it.
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
cleepers wrote:
Hard to criticize the rebounding of the guy who leads the league in rebounding.
Might as well say Love and Howard will also get "outhustled unless the ball
comes to them" since they're both getting fewer boards in similar minutes
(Howard 1 min less, Love 1 min more).
Not saying there aren't other holes in his overall game, but the only flaw
concerning DJ and rebounding this season is that he's not showing Hollins how to do
it. ![]()
The majority of....
Please register or
log in to view the entire
post.
Laak wrote:
Thanks Ron for posting.
I'm not ready to buy into DJ being a great defender. He's a highlight machine
offensive / defensively, but because of these highlights, I think people
misinterpret them into him being a top defender in the league. There are so many
errors in his defensive game that a few highlight blocks won't make up for. Right
now, unless the ball comes to him, DJ will get out-hustled almost every rebound. He
hates getting physical, and also
gets....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Laak wrote:
Thanks Ron for posting.
I'm not ready to buy into DJ being a great defender. He's a highlight machine
offensive / defensively, but because of these highlights, I think people
misinterpret them into him being a top defender in the league. There are so many
errors in his defensive game that a few highlight blocks won't make up for. Right
now, unless the ball comes to him, DJ will get out-hustled almost every rebound. He
hates getting physical, and also
gets....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
ClipperKyle32 wrote:
What does a player have to do to be called "GREAT" defender? Deandre is
one of the top DEFENSIVE players in this league! There is a difference between being
a DEFENDER and a DEFENSIVE player! A Defender can shut his man down night in and night
out! A Defensive players is a players who is always in great help position to Block or
Alter shots from other players! Defensive not only means BLOCKING shots but
DEFENSIVE rebounding! Deandre right
now....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Some of you remind of those people who continued to say that the world was flat, even
after it was proven that it wasn't.
DJ has improved every year he has been in the league. He's not just lucky to be a league
leader in rebounding. If it was really so easy and luck, then anyone could do it. Just
suck it up and admit that you were wrong about DJ and just move past it.
It's....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Cliptonyte wrote:
Some of you remind of those people who continued to say that the world was flat, even
after it was proven that it wasn't.
DJ has improved every year he has been in the league. He's not just lucky to be a league
leader in rebounding. If it was really so easy and luck, then anyone could do it. Just
suck it up and admit that you were wrong about DJ and just move past it.
It's....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Cliptonyte wrote:
Some of you remind of those people who continued to say that the world was flat, even
after it was proven that it wasn't.
DJ has improved every year he has been in the league. He's not just lucky to be a league
leader in rebounding. If it was really so easy and luck, then anyone could do it. Just
suck it up and admit that you were wrong about DJ and just move past it.
It's....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Laak wrote:
If I'm wrong, great. Changes my perspective. But at least back yourself with some
proof before telling I'm wrong.
I never said he's lucky to be rebounding leader. He's rebounding leader because of
his crazy athleticism. He can cover so much area in air, that's what I meant by ball
coming to him. If he can start being more physical and boxing people out like you're
supposed to, then he can be much better.
You say DJ's improved every year and
he's....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Sigh.. okay his rebounding improved.
ClipperPostman wrote:
I actually agree with some of what you said. But the rebounding part isn't true. If
you are the top rebounder in the league averaging over 13 per game you are the best
rebounder lol.
To say every rebounds he gets are the ones that come to him:
Isn't true - I've seen him fight every game for rebounds
Doesn't make sense considering he is the #1 rebounder in the league.
This means that he is the luckiest player in the
league.....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Former NBA Coach, Hubie Brown, said he'll be in the mix for defensive player of the
year, but what does he know?
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Or how about what Doc Rivers was saying about him in an NBA.com article the other day?
I am not sure that I can prove something that apparently you just can't see for
yourself?
I agree that he's still raw and hasn't reached his full potential.
All I am saying is that you still aren't happy with him, then you're impossible to
please.
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Laak wrote:
The majority of the rebounds he gets should be called freebies to him. He gets the
rebounds simply because he's the tallest, and has great vertical. Howard is same as
DJ.
Players I respect are guys like Randolph and Love. ![]()
Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_04
You're funny... half of Randolph's rebounds are off his own missed shots within 2
feet. He's so f*cking fat, nobody can move him.
Love is a great rebounder, no doubt... but how many times does he sacrifice his
rebounding position
to....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Laak wrote:
The majority of the rebounds he gets should be called freebies to him. He gets the
rebounds simply because he's the tallest, and has great vertical. Howard is same as
DJ.
Players I respect are guys like Randolph and Love. They aren't gifted with the
athletic abilities like DJ and D12. But they try they're best to fight for position,
box players out to get the ball. That's an EARNED rebound. DJ rarely fights for a
rebound like these guys do.
I....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
cleepers wrote:
Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_04
You're funny... half of Randolph's rebounds are off his own missed shots within 2
feet. He's so f*cking fat, nobody can move him.
Love is a great rebounder, no doubt... but how many times does he sacrifice his
rebounding position to block shots? ...NEVER, that's how often. And DJ still beats
him on the boards.
Again... if you're criticizing the league's best rebounder on his rebounding, the
problem is with you, not him. ![]()
Even LeBron can be criticized for his game.
There's....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Laak wrote:
Even LeBron can be criticized for his game. There's always room for improvement.
Since most of you are very satisfied with DJ playing half his potential, I guess I
have problems for wanting him to play to his fullest.
I'll say no more, continue the praising. ![]()
Dude, don't act like a b!tch... all passive-aggressive and sh!t..
Everybody who disagreed with you said that he has room for improvement, but you
calling him out on his rebounding is just flat out wrong... there
is....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
cleepers wrote:
Dude, don't act like a b!tch... all passive-aggressive and sh!t..
Everybody who disagreed with you said that he has room for improvement, but you
calling him out on his rebounding is just flat out wrong... there is literally
NOBODY better at that aspect of the game right now.
I'm talking about rebounding skills. If all the centers in NBA had the same height /
athleticism, do you still think he'd be the best rebounder? Purely relying on
athleticism is never good.
I....Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Laak wrote:
Even LeBron can be criticized for his game. There's always room for improvement.
Since most of you are very satisfied with DJ playing half his potential, I guess I
have problems for wanting him to play to his fullest.
I'll say no more, continue the praising. ![]()
Saying DJ is the best rebounder in the game isn't praising, it's called not lying.
Also maybe saying LBJ needs improvement isn't the best way to get out of debate jam.
LBJ needs room for improvement
about....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
✓ Repped (+1)
Laak wrote:
I'm talking about rebounding skills. If all the centers in NBA had the same height /
athleticism, do you still think he'd be the best rebounder? Purely relying on
athleticism is never good. I could care less if a player get 20, 30 rebounds. It's how
they get it.
I give props to him for tapping out many offensive rebounds, but defensive end ain't
so good. And Duncan is better.
Really? YOU could care less? Well, there's no arguing with that logic.
Duncan:....Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
CapsNClips wrote:
Saying DJ is the best rebounder in the game isn't praising, it's called not lying.
Also maybe saying LBJ needs improvement isn't the best way to get out of debate jam. LBJ
needs room for improvement about as much as Mullens needs more
touches. ![]()
Baaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!
Repped!
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Oops. Nothing to see here. Wrong thread.
You still haven't answered this. If all the centers in NBA had the same height /
athleticism, do you still think he'd be the best rebounder?
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Laak wrote:
You still haven't answered this. If all the centers in NBA had the same height /
athleticism, do you still think he'd be the best rebounder? ![]()
And if CP3 could run as fast and Jump as high as Russell Westbrook, we'd be looking at a
3-peat... what's your point?
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Forget it. My definition of being a good rebounder is different than yours. Talking
about different things in the first place.
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Laak wrote:
Forget it. My definition of being a good rebounder is different than yours. Talking
about different things in the first place. ![]()
Yeah... stupid DJ... he should get rebounds without jumping.
:roll:
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Fundamentals > athleticism.
Laak wrote:
Fundamentals > athleticism. ![]()
When it comes to rebounding this season... it looks to me (and the facts) like you're
wrong.
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Laak wrote:
I'm talking about rebounding skills. If all the centers in NBA had the same height /
athleticism, do you still think he'd be the best rebounder? Purely relying on
athleticism is never good. I could care less if a player get 20, 30 rebounds. It's how
they get it.
I give props to him for tapping out many offensive rebounds, but defensive end ain't
so good. And Duncan is better. ![]()
Oh we're playing the what if game now?
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
When it truly matters in playoffs he'll struggle against elite teams if he doesn't
develop.
The facts tell me which teams are first seeds every year. Do only first seeds become
champs?
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Laak wrote:
When it truly matters in playoffs he'll struggle against elite teams if he doesn't
develop.
The facts tell me which teams are first seeds every year. Do only first seeds become
champs? ![]()
Good point... so how many rings do your boys Randolph and Love have?
Timmy's Spurs got a top seed in the West... shame they were just one REBOUND away from
being champs.
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Laak wrote:
You still haven't answered this. If all the centers in NBA had the same height /
athleticism, do you still think he'd be the best rebounder? ![]()
K Love is a great rebounder because of his low center of gravity which helps
immensely in boxing out. If Kevin Love's legs and body were the same height as DJ,
he'd be less effective at the box out because less lower center of gravity means less
balance and stability.
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Teams win championships, players win awards.
Laak wrote:
Teams win championships, players win awards. ![]()
So Duncan's MVP's hurt his team?
You're a DJ-hating joke.
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
No individual players can win a championship on their own. Why misinterpret?
My definition of good rebounding is having good fundamentals. I say one thing about
DJ having poor fundamentals and you call it hate lol.
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Laak wrote:
Sigh.. okay his rebounding improved. ![]()
Apparently like most people who wear blinkers you're not looking at ALL the
numbers. Sigh.
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
[quote="Laak"]No individual players can win a championship on their
own. Why misinterpret?
My definition of good rebounding is having good fundamentals. I say one thing about
DJ having poor fundamentals and you call it hate lol.
Yeah, if only Shaq had not been so big and heavy...
I really wish the NBA was like NASCAR.
:roll:
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Laak wrote:
No individual players can win a championship on their own. Why misinterpret?
My definition of good rebounding is having good fundamentals. I say one thing about
DJ having poor fundamentals and you call it hate lol. ![]()
Good fundamentals are great when it's 1955 and everybody in the NBA is a 5'9 white
dude.
Luckily for everybody except those white dudes Bill Russell got into the league and
said "F*ck set shots and pick-n-rolls, I want to out jump every motherf*cker
and grab....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
CapsNClips wrote:
Good fundamentals are great when it's 1955 and everybody in the NBA is a 5'9 white
dude.
Luckily for everybody except those white dudes Bill Russell got into the league and
said "F*ck set shots and pick-n-rolls, I want to out jump every motherf*cker
and grab that rebound and run a fast break" ![]()
Damn, if the NBA was all about 5' 9" white dudes, I'd be on an MLE contract!
Monaaaaaaay!!!
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
Just said my opinions that's all. Guess they were pretty idiotic huh? lol.
Have a good night 
cleepers wrote:
Damn, if the NBA was all about 5' 9" white dudes, I'd be on an MLE contract!
Monaaaaaaay!!! ![]()
You might still have a chance on getting signed by the Lakers, they desperatly
need......a.....um.....anybody.
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
CapsNClips wrote:
You might still have a chance on getting signed by the Lakers, they desperatly
need......a.....um.....anybody. ![]()
Dude, there are some things I just won't do for money... and playing for the lakers
ranks slightly below standing on Santa Monica Blvd in a miniskirt.
"Wearing purple and piss always gets me raped" - Pau Gasol
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
cleepers wrote:
Dude, there are some things I just won't do for money... and playing for the lakers
ranks slightly below standing on Santa Monica Blvd in a miniskirt.
"Wearing purple and piss always gets me raped" - Pau Gasol ![]()
Cleepers, you're my favorite "Bull Dog" and I mean that in the most
flattering/positive terms mate....and the wit, oh the wit. He'll slice you up and
you won't even notice you're bleeding until you leave the room.
Beware all trolls of the "Bull Dog".
....
Please register or log
in to view the entire
post.
You are an anonymous user
