Harrell's Trash Talk.

Thoughts?

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Calling someone a white boy isn’t a racial slur. Let’s stop with the bullshit.

A stupid thing to say by Harrell, but let's hope he learns from this.

It wasn't exactly used as a compliment... It was used as a racial slur. It's used on the court in a condescending way. I guess it's cool if you're not offended by it, but I am, and many others are also. NBA should be consistent and punish Trezz.

BTW can we change your name to ClipperPostboy, not offensive to you right?

Not just the slur but the "bitch ass" is also meant in a condescending way.

OTOH, I'm glad Montrezz apologized. This situation would be a lot uglier had he not done that.

I thought Mark Jackson's analysis was spot on. He said that had the races been reversed, this would be a much bigger deal and it shouldn't be that way and that we have to be better as human beings in general regardless of color. Spot on.

^^I didn’t realize he apologized, that’s good. It talks about it in this article, Doc explained the problem and told Trezz to do the....

It is a racial slur and an insult and that's exactly how he meant it. .I assume you are white and live in a white man's world. In that world to be white is to be perfect. You cannot insult a white person on the basis of race but you can insult a person of color on the basis of their race. To whites "Hey white boy" is the same as "Hey perfect person" Why is "Hey black boy" an insult and "hey white boy" not an insult. Because in white cultures black is inferior and a curse. Not accusing you and not wanting to debate but that is the definition of White Privilege. This is what BLM is all about.It's almost impossible for white people to understand that. No hate, just fact. Don't try to understand. You can't

Now enter the black man's world, the world of the NBA. If you ask another black person they might not tell you the truth but a bit overstated "Hey white boy" means --"You are in the black man's world now and you whites are as disgusting and insignificant as snot on my finger that I will flick off. You are inferior, unmanly and I'm going to kick your white bit*h ass".If you are in a black neighborhood and somebody says "Hey white boy" leave REAL FAST.

He should be fined. If I were he I would voluntarily donate $5,000 to charity,

Would the league suspend him for the racial slur?

If so, it could be a blessing since Rivers can’t misuse him anymore.

yes, he should. Racists comments shojld not be allowed in the NBA.

He should make a public apology and donate $5,000 to a charity in Luka's country. He'd be off the hook.

If anything, this incident gave us this classic from Ernie Johnson. If I've broken any rules by posting this I apologize, but I can't stop laughing over this. With how stressful this series has gotten and the tension on this board, I think we can use a good laugh.

Here it is: https://twitter.com/RTNBA/status/1297753321160290304

Love Ernie and the TNT crew. I met Joe Underhill once, or better known as "Underdog," as well as one of the camera men. Hopefully I'll get to meet them one of these days.

You must be F***ing kidding, right? I want for one small second to just imagine the HELL and carnage, protests and riots that would happen in the NBA if the shoe were on the other foot and Luka said That to Montrez?!?! I have been a loyal supporter of the NBA for almost a decade, and now they have the audacity to kneel for the anthem of the country that pays them millions. Because America is so evil and racist while AT THE SAME TIME the Chinese are literally sending off ethnic groups to concentration camps (look up Uighurs), and King James, the protector of the realm of social justice Takes Millions and calls Daryl Morey "uneducated" for speaking about it just cause it hurts his pockets.

It makes me sick. The double standard in EVERYTHING about this is Unbelievable. I did not make this political. The NBA did when they decided that mainstream media did not have enough virtue signaling and we had to be bombarded with it at basketball games too.

What Montrezl said is absolutely a racial slur. He brought in Color, NOT Luca. Again, just IMAGINE what would have happened if "white" was exchanged with "black" by Anyone in the phrase "b**** a** white boy" Now I'm conflicted. How can I support my team and a league that is just so Positively HYPOCRITICAL? This is not defensible... Double standard is unreal...

Are the Chinese awful? Yes but that has nothing to do with police brutality. Two wrongs do not make a right. Is the Trezz thing hypocritical and a double standard? Yes and I'm offended and angry. He should be fined or suspended but that has nothing to do with police brutality or BLM. As far as kneeling, it is not a sign of disrespect. It is acknowledging without anger the racism and brutality that Birthed this Nation (see the movie). This nation was born of the Enlightenment as an idea but in racism, ra*e, kidnapping, torture, theft and genocide as the reality. That's called Manifest Destiny. Columbus was as bad as Hitler.

We are as a country and a world finally coming to grips with those things. The Civil War didn't end in 1865, it is finally ending in 2020. The Confederate flags finally are gone. America also has a conscience and compassion. We are the most charitable people in the world.. We are not perfect and we will make A LOT mistakes, some bad ones. because we are walking blind into new territory. Black people will vent hundreds of years of rage but if you were George Floyd's family wouldn't you.? It will pass as long as we try to understand each other.. The pendulum will swing too far but it will swing back. Try to understand why good people kneel rather than being angry. Ask a black person to explain and listen The opposite of "No Justice, no peace" is "Justice and Peace" Forget about LeBron and China and dwell on that. Maybe we can make it happen.

There is a movie I recommend for you children of a lighter hue. "Our Man Friday" with Richard Roundtree and Peter O'toole. It's the story of Robison Crusoe. from Friday's point of view. It will explain a lot. Watch "Gone with the Wind" but from a black person's perspective. My parents wouldn't allow me to see it, never have.

Why can’t people of all colors just stop resisting arrest, drop their weapons as ordered and most of all stop committing crimes. They’re asking for trouble when that happens. Basically you have some stupid cops and some stupid criminals...bad recipe. Are these racial incidents...well given that more unarmed white people were killed in the past year at a 2-1 ratio by cops then I’d say usually no. George Floyd was a bad dude ( I believe he had 9 priors including armed robbery) ...but the cop should be hung. Absolutely no defense for his actions however if Floyd would have just got in the back of the car it would have never happened.

I'm Chinese bro. You talking about China or all Chinese?

Trez was wrong for what he said no doubt.. but at the same time a lot of foul sh*t is said on the court and on football fields in the heat of battle. If Luka was black more than likely he would've been called a "b*tch azz n*gga" which is used a billion times on and off the court in disputes and arguments. BOTH TERMS ARE WRONG.. But Trez isn't racist. They said Bird talked sh*t to black players all game long and we know Jordan was pure evil to his teammates and the opposition. All the black players called Rodman a "f*cking f*ggot all game long back in the day. All I'm saying its equal opportunity offending when it comes to basketball players. But I know we're in a different climate post George Floyd and some of you guys want him suspended. But I'm glad they shook on it.

A MILLION apologies I mean PRC not any other Chinese county or group Mea Culpa. The problem is Communism not ethnicity. Korea etc are just as bad. Will be more careful.

All good.

outstanding post. Well argued, balanced. I would have repped you, but I did so to CP3 best earlier.

The crazy thing is how many YouTube vloggers exist spinning the stories and basically saying its western media lies (referring to Xinjiangs concentration camps and Hong Kong's National Security Bill).

Trez for sure doesn't strike me as racist, but he was an ass in that scenario during a time when we don't need to add fuel to the fire. I'm not suggesting he get suspended, but for sure I'm disgusted by what he said.

IMO, Harrell's remarks were in poor taste and awful considering the times we live today but that was NOT a racist epithet. "white boy" is not what I would consider racist. Now if he called him a "cracker", that would be considered, but not equally as calling someone the N word. The problem with his comments was that he used "bitch ass" in front of white boy which changes the tone significantly. I'm sorry, it was wrong for him to say it but this selective outrage is laughable.

Bottom line, Luka slapped and tripped Trez and called him a flopper. Trez wasn't having that so he called him a bitch...and a white boy.

wish it was that black and white (no pun intended). While it might be close to a 2-1 ratio, what is the discrepancy between white and Black population? Break that down and then give me your new ratio. Think about that.

George Floyd's past has nothing to do with what thise murderers did to him. What world do you live in where you take someones life for his past? You're a pathetic excuse for a human. He died for 20 bucks!!!!!

By the way, you still touting hydroxychloroquine???????????

Didn't you say scientists all over the world praising it? What did I tell you? Maybe you should switch to bleach. I heard a stable genius swears by it.

You have some valid points but whites have a larger population by 90% so of course more whites will be killed. A larger % of blacks/encounter are killed so it's a misleading stat. Drop their weapons and comply.- If he has a weapon, even a knife, IF HE PRESENTS A THREAT and there is no other alternative, he gets shot but learn to verbally de escalate. Most had no weapons. A lot of these guys are not affected by tazers. Sometimes it requires 5 people to restrain one guy. If a LeBron looking guy walks toward you and won't stop, empty your weapon OR break his knee caps. One shot or two or three might not stop a guy. Empty your weapon. center mass. You are correct about not getting into the car but in most of these instances they were minor crimes and didn't warrant the death penalty. Hit them with a fu*king baton.There is no excuse for murdering innocent people at traffic stops.They committed no crime and didn't resist arrest. Ketamine should NEVER be used by paramedics in an ambulance. Choke holds have been banned for decades but they still use them. They go to jail. Good cops are pressured or threatened by "Brother Officers" to keep quiet. See my post on the LA Sheriffs Bandido/viking gangs. The Ramparts Scandal the show The Shield was based on. etc. Years back they were "muscle" for criminals in West Hollywood. I can't post the link but google "police shootings vs crime rate". The number of shootings has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with crime rate. It's the police culture of the city. Some forces need to be disbanded and start from the bottom up. Inglewood PD was tough but fair. LAPD 77 was violent and L A County Sheriffs were....

My response is above

Cut him some slack Joe. I think he's starting to get it in baby steps. He's not pissed off and seems open to reasonable dialog.

KG once made fun of Villanueva for being albino. I think that is much worse then what Trezz said. However Trezz got control those emotions and just hoop. Matt Barnes also said much worse things are said about people’s mom , families , etc.

Bad things have been said over the years, they're trying to clear it up. At least I thought they were.

Racism goes both ways folks, doesn't matter who it comes from, doesn't matter who it's targeted at, doesn't matter if you intended to insult or not, it's garbage. Trezz should be punished.

Look, why are you contradicting a black man about his culture and first language? It is a racist threat, period end of story. You are demonstrating White Privilege, knowing more about black culture than a black man. It is EXACTLY the same as the "N" word and that's how it was meant. Racism goes both ways but black cops don't murder innocent white people. Black racists didn't lynch thousands of white people. Obama unlike the Orange Monster did not praise racists like the Nation of Islam or the Crips. Dirtydunks my friend, after the most recent shooting, are you starting to get it? All they had to do was hit him in the back of the knee with a baton yet they tried to murder him. I don't know whether to cry or throw up. He will be sh*ting in a diaper and pissing through a tube. He will get infections and pressure sores. He is unemployable and unless he sues his family will be destitute. He can't play with his kids or have sex with his wife simply because he's black. That could have been Kawai or PG or me. When I was in college I looked out the window and my house was surrounded by cops with shotguns pointed at the house. I could have been killed. They were told that a black man was trying to blow up the power plant. You would have been killed because you were a Ni--er lover. A cop stopped me for no reason. I asked why. He said with a sh*t eating grin, "Because I can" meaning that he could kill me and get away with it. A cop stopped me in my driveway basically because I was a black man driving an expensive Italian sports car. I had to be a....

Minor correction. While more bad cops target black men, bad cops come in all races, and they do sometimes murder innocent white people as well. It's not nearly as common as murdering innocent black people. But there are some bad cops as a generalization, and some of them do murder people of any color. Particularly if they are homeless or considered poor white trash. It's just not as common, and we don't highlight it as much when it happens because it's not a systematic thing like the murder of black men. But I think it's wrong to just declare no black cops murder innocent white people. We had one of those here in Los Angeles a couple years ago, a homeless white guy who was murdered by cops, and I believe the cop who killed him happened to be black. Because we also have a systematic problem with bad cops, and covering for each other, and unions creating an atmosphere where you can get away with just about anything as a cop, and that bad system includes a small number of black cops who also murder innocent white people on rare occasion.

toohip, I want to understand something. I gather not just from this post, but from many others as well, that you are African-American. My question is do you think that Black Lives Matter has won the hearts and minds of white people, whom still comprise the majority population in America?

Well put Mistwell. I do agree that African Americans suffer disproportionately from police brutality, but we do have to acknowledge that it is possible for a white person to suffer from police brutality or discrimination. Albeit the African American community has suffered greatly from it and in my opinion almost more so than any other group.

Yes and the whole world does except the Fox bubble and the Red States -- aka Republicans--- who are in the MINORITY. Remember, Hillary WON by 3 million votes. This is a MAJORITY financially solvent,. educated, secular, urban, Democrat/Liberal nation ruled by a MINORITY of financially insolvent, less educated, rural. theocratic Republican/ conservatives. California, a Blue State has more people that the bottom 20 states combined , mostly Red. They have 40 senators. We have two. Throw in New York. We should have at least 60 senators. We have 4. This is why this country is fu*ked FOREVER and California should succeed I am not joking. Like Jefferson said, it's time to break up the Union to 50 states and start again. If BLM is not a bother, then one can condone repeated murder and the WHOLE WORLD will look down on them.

The answer is Yes

This trash is straight lies. Another video came out showing what ACTUALLY happened: turns out the guy is a domestic abuse perpetrator guilty of sexual assault on a minor with a warrant out for his arrest. Which is why police tried to apprehend him and were in a tussle and he was resisting arrest and pushed the cops and then went to the car disobeying instructions. You do Not reach somewhere the cop cannot see....

As a white person who has African American and Japanese cousins in my family, I say it has. This has been going on for far too long and people like me have a role in promoting the change that needs to happen. Whether or not Jacob Blake deserved to be arrested or whether he had committed a crime in the past is not the point. Shooting people 7 times in the back or putting their knee on their neck when he's pleading that he can't breathe while a 17 year old gets in their car, drives across state lines and starts shooting at protesters while that same police force does nothing symbolizes what is going on in this country. This has to stop and people like me have a responsibility to raise awareness.

Minor correction to your minor correction ( M C squared sorry couldn't resist) You are confusing two different things, bad cops with racist cops. Some racist cops are otherwise good cops to whites and bad cops aren't always racist but are equal opportunity sadists. I used to party with cops. They are dysfunctional authoritarian people on control trips. Don't trust them around your sister. White cops like white military tend to be ultra conservative and conservatism in America is racist This is not the place to prove it but study Nixon's Southern Strategy. or the real reason for The War on Drugs.

The white racist cops SELECTIVELY target black men Would a black cop stop a white man only because he was driving an expensive Italian car? No. Why did a white cop stop a black man in an expensive Italian car in his own driveway? Racism. If it had been at night and he were in a bad mood and jealous that he couldn't afford the car, I might have ended up in the hospital. He probably was a fair honest kind cop to white people. The black cop who killed the white homeless guy didn't do it because the guy was white. He did it because it was fun. There has been ZERO reporting nationwide of black cops murdering whites because of their race like happened two days ago.There would be serious investigation and Yes they would not get off. They'd go to jail. My ex's father was in town and was sick. The cops roughed him up -- just another drunk Indian. He doesn't drink.They wouldn't have roughed up a cowboy and said "just another drunk white boy." Those fools drove onto the Res. They are still alive lucky .Dodged a few bullets.

What total nonsense. I don't care if he butt fu*ked Minne Mouse. They did not have try to kill him. Why didn't they kick him in the balls from behind? Why didn't the cop grab him by both feet and pull him out. Why didn't the cop hit him with the fu*king baton. If the cop were in position to shoot him then the cop could have hit him in the pelvis or the back of the knee with a baton. Step on his Achilles tendon? Stomp on the back of his knees and break them. He would stop resisting REAL FAST. This is what they would have done it to a white guy, not try to murder him. Resisting arrest is not a capital crime.

If the Right had stepped up and disavowed police brutality this sh*t would stop. hat if the Orange Monster said that the Floyd murdered gets executed, Blue Lives Matter equally as do Black Lives and he won't tolerate more? It would stop in a second.

You understand the guy is not dead, right? He's severely incapacitated, and I am Very very sorry he will have a very miserable existence. That's really sad. And it Could've been prevented. You need to look at the video I mentioned. Jacob Blake had 3 officers wrestle him to his knees. Somehow, I don't know how, but he wrestled away from all of them. SO all the things you just mentioned above, they were tried and failed. He got away from 3 of them. Why is he disobeying commands? Why is he REACHING inside? Let's agree that he definitely should Not have been shot Seven times. That's too many. But in a life and death situation, where everything is fast, and the guy has just somehow got away from 3 cops, I understand the perceived danger. To say it wouldn't have happened to a white person is just perception, not reality. Very sadly, there are few cases where erratic behavior leads to the death of individuals. That's what it is, Sad, few bad apples in the police. It is NOT just blacks. Kelly Thomas, Daniel Shaver are very sad cases of it happening to whites. And it happens to people who happens to be white every year. Media doesn't talk about it. But, we have this perception that if the media is talking about it then it is happening EVERYWHERE all the time... Where is the outcry of all the deaths from the riots that start in the BLM protests? Don't those black lives matter too? How about the lives of little ones like Cannon Hinnant? How about his life? How about the lives of all the people shot in New York when the idiot mayor decided it was a good idea to pull the police back and FIFTY people were....

I want to first make a disclaimer. I am not black or white, I'm hispanic. I was once a republican, but after the Iraq war I split with conservative ideology. I voted for Obama twice, but recognize some faults he made to divide this nation. I absolutely detest Trump, as he is one of the worst presidents ever. So as you can see, I'm not racist or even conservative. However, I get a pulse of people's opinions. This is where I have to disagree with you. I think BLM is highly polarizing. I think they have lost the support and sympathy of white America. Their primary goal is noble, stopping police brutality. However, the execution has not been good. They have not done a good job of policing some bad apples in protests, and this is where they hurt their cause. The protests have seen a lot of violence and even recently doing things like intimidating local businesses to hire African Americans or even beating white people. That's not going to win hearts and minds. Before people peg me as a racist, let me reiterate, there is a problem in police brutality, African Americans suffer from it disproportionately, but BLM is just not the organization to lead the way. They are polarizing, have no strong leadership, and alienate whites, whom are necessary in making this change. In sum, we need whites to make a change, and to get whites on board, the movement cannot be as extreme as BLM is.

It has gone on far too long. You are right. I agree that Blake did not deserve to get shot in the back. Floyd should not have been killed either. I don't know what 17 year old you are referring to, but should a court find him guilty fu#k him. The alt right is another problem too, and yes they should be tried for things like driving cars into protests.

I think it's crucial that we look at media stories as isolated events we see assh#les doing stupid stuff on both sides though. Just don't let it cloud your overall judgement.

The killing of unarmed black men was 9 in 2019, the total of unarmed white men was 18. Given that whites are 4x more prevalent in the US it is disproportionate. However, 9 deaths does not back up the claim that cops are going around killing unarmed black men all the time like the media has portrayed. These are facts from the NY Times database. Any death to an unarmed person is terrible but this is a very false narrative when it was 9 people out of 48 million.

By all means try and fix the problem by enacting police reform and better training but cops are not these awful murderers of innocent people of any race. If the media reported actual objective facts then we might get somewhere, rather than a fueled emotional narrative that has now caused destructive riots by the misinformed that has ruined thousands of people's businesses and lives. More people have been killed by these wonderful rioters than cops killed unarmed people last year.

And you think the politicians care about it really? Tim Scott, a black congressman, was the one who introduced a police reform bill that was refused to be discussed by the other side. Some love this stuff in DC because they can use it to get reelected, then they deliver no solutions and nothing changes.

You are putting things together that are not related. The violence at the protests are either thrill seekers or agents provacateur like the white guy who was arrested for shooting three people or the Boogaloo Boys, one of whom killed a cop in San Diego to try to start a race war.Or white supremacists. To the best of my knowledge, true BLM people have caused no deaths and no riots. The violent Left as a movement does not exist and hasn't for 50 years. Antifa is Right Wing BS.The urban shootings are happening because it's fun to shoot people, a fad like car jacking was. Bad apples were the Ramparts Division Gang Squad. If you shoot somebody, empty your weapon. If you are black, are you safe if you obey the police? A resounding NO. Only an idiot would defund the police. There should be more. Why aren't there Police sponsored community centers with computers for inner city kids where they can be safe, and for neighborhood meetings with police? Police soccer leagues? I worked in the ER in Inglewood during the cocaine epidemic, the Crip/Blood war and in East L A during the El Monte Flores/White Fence war. I know a bit about police procedure and restraining criminals. People never obey orders and many resist arrest. It happens every day. The cops don't shoot people every day. I've see a lot violent guys whose heads ended up on the wrong side of a baton and I remember a broken fibula and sore knees. They were nice after that. Guys resist arrest all the time. They disobey orders all the time.You are being unrealistic and a bit naive to say they "should" They don't. Police don't expect them to. This shooting should not....

I wouldn’t go that far. Saying “all lives matter” is basically labeled as racist these days.

I think his country is broken beyond repair and I am afraid for us. The polarization might have made an unbridgeable chasm. I don't think we can ever politically agree again. It's like we speak different languages. To some of us this is so obvious and we cannot understand why the other side doesn't see it, as much as we try and vice versa. I think we are as a country beyond compromise. Our ethics and moral codes are too different now .Some care about "riots" and minimize shootings and vice versa but we will never agree on which is important. I think this discussion for me iis a waste of time. No hate. Page I DID NOT call you a racist. I purposely used "one" instead of "you"

We should all be reserving judgment about the Jacob Blake incident, NBA players included, until all the facts are there. It’s hard to know what’s true, but I’m reading Jacob Blake is charged with 3rd degree sexual assault on a minor, and even the WNBA players are in favor of a boycott over this situation? The WNBA? Seriously, what planet is this?

I'm sorry, even if he is charged with other past offenses, what does that have to do with 7 shots in the back? So you're saying we should wait to see how much mud we can find on this man to see if he deserves justice for that specific altercation? Is that how we deal justice? Police shot the man 7 times when he had no weapon. They had time to grab him before entering his car. The police's lives were not in imminent danger and if they felt that way, there was more than enough time to apprehend him before reaching for the door. So no, people should not wait for anything. His past has nothing to do with this shooting....So it's irrelevant.

By the way, it was one officer who unloaded his weapon while two others watched with their weapons drawn and didn't see what that officer did.

WNBA players saying “justice for a rapist” makes my head explode. Racism is one issue, misogyny is also an issue, bad cops are an issue, serial criminal behavior is an issue. I like to take everything into account.

Two guys are running for president, and evidence seems to show that both are guilty of r*** in their lifetimes. You don’t get a pass on those things.

If we’re talking about justice, convicted sex offenders should be castrated. If you want to punish the cop for incompetence or racially driven behavior, fine. But don’t ask for justice for a rapist. Never.

I think new evidence has come out on this case. Wow, the situation is ugly.