What To Do To Rebuild This Off-Season

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what to do to rebuild this off-season:

  1. fire dunleavy (both gm and coach)

  2. win the coin toss with the wizards

  3. win #1 or #2 in the lottery (lets go with #1)

  4. draft blake griffin

  5. trade at least 2 of the following 3: baron, randolph, kaman

  6. hire tom thibbedeau as HC. (defensive minded genious who is behind the celtics D)

  7. hire anyone but MD for GM.

  8. sign trevor ariza for the full MLE (lakers are nearing the luxury tax...)

  9. throw a lot of money at big man tutor for DJ (thats why we can't develop anyone: we have freaking fred vincent to develop DJ while the lakers have kareem abdul jabar to tutor bynum). - bynum was just as raw as DJ coming into the league. we should definetey look into getting an elite big man to tutor him or maybe hasheem thabeet to if we draft him if we end up with a low pick.

  10. sign jannero pargo to nba minnimum.

  11. resign fred, novak.

  12. sign gerald green to nba minnimum.

(hinrich in kaman trade) (carl landry in b-diddy trade)

Lineup:

pg: kirk hinrich, mike taylor, pargo

sg: EJ, fred jones, gerald green

sf: Al thornton, Trevor Ariza, steve novak

pf: blake griffin, carl landry, skinner (he is on a 2 year deal)

C: Camby, DJ.

what do u think?

get Ramon Sessions

Rockford wrote:
get Ramon Sessions

not possible: he is restricted FA and we don't have the cap space for it.

  1. fire dunleavy (both gm and coach)- doable but isn't going to happen

  2. win the coin toss with the wizards- no problem :sarcasm"

  3. win #1 or #2 in the lottery (lets go with #1) done :sarcasm:

  4. draft blake griffin - see second & third response

  5. trade at least 2 of the following 3: baron, randolph, kaman - randolph & Baron

  6. hire tom thibbedeau as HC. (defensive minded genious who is behind the celtics D)- not a bad choice

  7. hire anyone but MD for GM. - anyone? How about the cashier at my Vons store? :sarcasm:

  8. sign trevor ariza for the full MLE (lakers are nearing the luxury tax...)- ain't gonna happen...they just dumped Radman so they can get an expiring contract in Morrison to keep the roster.

  9. throw a lot of money at big man tutor for DJ (thats why we can't develop anyone: we have freaking fred vincent to develop DJ while the lakers have kareem abdul jabar to tutor bynum). - bynum was just as raw as DJ coming into the league. we should definetey look into getting an elite big man to tutor him or maybe hasheem thabeet to if we draft him if we end up with a low pick.

    Bynum was raw but not like DJ. The only thing that Kareem brought to the table was his hook shot. Bynum was good, just needed time.

  10. sign jannero pargo to nba minnimum.- I said this a long time ago

  11. resign fred, novak. - on my wish list

  12. sign gerald green to nba minnimum. - need more than that to get him

(hinrich in kaman trade) (carl landry in b-diddy trade)

Lineup:

pg: kirk hinrich, mike taylor, pargo

sg: EJ, fred jones, gerald green

sf: Al thornton, Trevor Ariza, steve novak

pf: blake griffin, carl landry, skinner (he is on a 2 year deal)

C: Camby, DJ.

Not happening....but looks not a bad scenario...

Yaroslavs#1Fan wrote:
what to do to rebuild this off-season:

  1. fire dunleavy (both gm and coach)

  2. win the coin toss with the wizards

  3. win #1 or #2 in the lottery (lets go with #1)

  4. draft blake griffin

  5. trade at least 2 of the following 3: baron, randolph, kaman

  6. hire tom thibbedeau as HC. (defensive minded genious who is behind the celtics D)

  7. hire anyone but MD for GM.

  8. sign trevor ariza for the full MLE (lakers are nearing the luxury tax...)

  9. throw a lot of money at big man tutor for DJ (thats why we can't develop anyone: we have freaking fred vincent to develop DJ while the lakers have kareem abdul jabar to tutor bynum). - bynum was just as raw as DJ coming into the league. we should definetey look into getting an elite big man to tutor him or maybe hasheem thabeet to if we draft him if we end up with a low pick.

  10. sign jannero pargo to nba minnimum.

  11. resign fred, novak.

  12. sign gerald green to nba minnimum.

(hinrich in kaman trade) (carl landry in b-diddy trade)

Lineup:

pg: kirk hinrich, mike taylor, pargo

sg: EJ, fred jones, gerald green

sf: Al thornton, Trevor Ariza, steve novak

pf: blake griffin, carl landry, skinner (he is on a 2 year deal)

C: Camby, DJ.

what do u think?

i like all of the free agent signings that you have.

clipper*joe wrote:
1. fire dunleavy (both gm and coach)- doable but isn't going to happen

  1. win the coin toss with the wizards- no problem :sarcasm"

  2. win #1 or #2 in the lottery (lets go with #1) done :sarcasm:

  3. draft blake griffin - see second & third response

  4. trade at least 2 of the following 3: baron, randolph, kaman - randolph & Baron

  5. hire tom thibbedeau as HC. (defensive minded genious who is behind the celtics D)- not a bad choice

  6. hire anyone but MD for GM. - anyone? How about the cashier at my Vons store? :sarcasm:

  7. sign trevor ariza for the full MLE (lakers are nearing the luxury tax...)- ain't gonna happen...they just dumped Radman so they can get an expiring contract in Morrison to keep the roster.

  8. throw a lot of money at big man tutor for DJ (thats why we can't develop anyone: we have freaking fred vincent to develop DJ while the lakers have kareem abdul jabar to tutor bynum). - bynum was just as raw as DJ coming into the league. we should definetey look into getting an elite big man to tutor him or maybe hasheem thabeet to if we draft him if we end up with a low pick.

    Bynum was raw but not like DJ. The only thing that Kareem brought to the table was his hook shot. Bynum was good, just needed time.

  9. sign jannero pargo to nba minnimum.- I said this a long time ago

  10. resign fred, novak. - on my wish list

  11. sign gerald green to nba minnimum. - need more than that to get him

(hinrich in kaman trade) (carl landry in b-diddy trade)

Lineup:

pg: kirk hinrich, mike taylor, pargo

sg: EJ, fred jones, gerald green

sf: Al thornton, Trevor Ariza, steve novak

pf: blake griffin, carl landry, skinner (he is on a 2 year deal)

C: Camby, DJ.

Not happening....but looks not a bad scenario...

if i was doing it realistically i would say we end up keeping the same team and coach/gm and then getting the 6th pick, but i decided to do some far fetched stuff - i know the ariza thing is not happening btw. O and no way we get landry for baron. plus, the gerald green acquisition is realistic tho. he is not even playing on the mavs this year + he made their team off of the summer league squad - he could be had for the nba minimum. i've been saying the pargo thing since around november/december.

That would be cool...but remodel the team again???? Really now??? I like the free agent singings though. Maybe let go of Aker and Kaman (eating up all our salary cap).

1. fire dunleavy (both gm and coach) I really think that part of this will happen. I think the franchise knows that they face a ton of season ticket holders not renewing if Dunleavy is back. I'm guessing he'll get asked to move upstairs. 2. win the coin toss with the wizards I don't really care. One more ping pong ball isn't going to help us. It will help us if neither one of us move up or are in the top 3. I imagine one of us is top 3 and the winner of the coin toss is irrelevant. 3.....

Hooch20 wrote:
1. fire dunleavy (both gm and coach) I really think that part of this will happen. I think the franchise knows that they face a ton of season ticket holders not renewing if Dunleavy is back. I'm guessing he'll get asked to move upstairs. 2. win the coin toss with the wizards I don't really care. One more ping pong ball isn't going to help us. It will help us if neither one of us move up or are in the top 3. I imagine one of us is top 3 and the winner of the coin toss is irrelevant. 3.....

i say instead of trading kaman, we trade baron to the kings plus our pick ( number 2 or 3) for beno udrih plus their pick. then, we trade zach to ANYONE that wants him, and that is willing to give us some role players and sixth men. i like the idea of firing dun and firing that defensive minded coach. we can also trade kaman for hinrich, thus giving us a backup sg. since we traded sac for the first pick, we get griffin. we keep camby, dj, and skinner. we resign novak to back up griffin at the PF. al stays the main sf. gordon is starting sg, with hinrich at the backup. we can start either udrih or taylor at point.

Hire anyone as GM, huh?

Sure. Get Rob Babcock. He qualifies as anyone, right? I'm sure he'll work on the cheap (music to Sterling's ears).

I'm wondering, with the kind of backlash Dunleavy is taking, why a "defensive minded genius" like Thibbedeau would want anything to do with this team (and assuming Sterling could be bothered spending on a new GM and coach).

Yaroslavs#1Fan wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
1. fire dunleavy (both gm and coach)- doable but isn't going to happen

  1. win the coin toss with the wizards- no problem :sarcasm"

  2. win #1 or #2 in the lottery (lets go with #1) done :sarcasm:

  3. draft blake griffin - see second & third response

  4. trade at least 2 of the following 3: baron, randolph, kaman - randolph & Baron

  5. hire tom thibbedeau as HC. (defensive minded genious who is behind the celtics D)- not a bad choice

  6. hire anyone but MD for GM. - anyone? How about the cashier at my Vons store? :sarcasm:

  7. sign trevor ariza for the full MLE (lakers are nearing the luxury tax...)- ain't gonna happen...they just dumped Radman so they can get an expiring contract in Morrison to keep the roster.

  8. throw a lot of money at big man tutor for DJ (thats why we can't develop anyone: we have freaking fred vincent to develop DJ while the lakers have kareem abdul jabar to tutor bynum). - bynum was just as raw as DJ coming into the league. we should definetey look into getting an elite big man to tutor him or maybe hasheem thabeet to if we draft him if we end up with a low pick.

    Bynum was raw but not like DJ. The only thing that Kareem brought to the table was his hook shot. Bynum was good, just needed time.

  9. sign jannero pargo to nba minnimum.- I said this a long time ago

  10. resign fred, novak. - on my wish list

  11. sign gerald green to nba minnimum. - need more than that to get him

(hinrich in kaman trade) (carl landry in b-diddy trade)

Lineup:

pg: kirk hinrich, mike taylor, pargo

sg: EJ, fred jones, gerald green

sf: Al thornton, Trevor Ariza, steve novak

pf: blake griffin, carl landry, skinner (he is on a 2 year deal)

C: Camby, DJ.

Not happening....but looks not a bad scenario...

if i was doing it realistically i would say we end up keeping the same team and coach/gm and then getting the 6th pick, but i decided to do some far fetched stuff - i know the ariza thing is not happening btw. O and no way we get landry for baron. plus, the gerald green acquisition is realistic tho. he is not even playing on the mavs this year + he made their team off of the summer league squad - he could be had for the nba minimum. i've been saying the pargo thing since around november/december.

Yeah, I think you are right about Green. By the way, if it was possible, I will let you GM this one.

Pargo left overseas because he wanted at least $3M a year. If he comes back to take less, I'm betting it's for a contending team.

clipper*joe wrote:
Yaroslavs#1Fan wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
1. fire dunleavy (both gm and coach)- doable but isn't going to happen

  1. win the coin toss with the wizards- no problem :sarcasm"

  2. win #1 or #2 in the lottery (lets go with #1) done :sarcasm:

  3. draft blake griffin - see second & third response

  4. trade at least 2 of the following 3: baron, randolph, kaman - randolph & Baron

  5. hire tom thibbedeau as HC. (defensive minded genious who is behind the celtics D)- not a bad choice

  6. hire anyone but MD for GM. - anyone? How about the cashier at my Vons store? :sarcasm:

  7. sign trevor ariza for the full MLE (lakers are nearing the luxury tax...)- ain't gonna happen...they just dumped Radman so they can get an expiring contract in Morrison to keep the roster.

  8. throw a lot of money at big man tutor for DJ (thats why we can't develop anyone: we have freaking fred vincent to develop DJ while the lakers have kareem abdul jabar to tutor bynum). - bynum was just as raw as DJ coming into the league. we should definetey look into getting an elite big man to tutor him or maybe hasheem thabeet to if we draft him if we end up with a low pick.

    Bynum was raw but not like DJ. The only thing that Kareem brought to the table was his hook shot. Bynum was good, just needed time.

  9. sign jannero pargo to nba minnimum.- I said this a long time ago

  10. resign fred, novak. - on my wish list

  11. sign gerald green to nba minnimum. - need more than that to get him

(hinrich in kaman trade) (carl landry in b-diddy trade)

Lineup:

pg: kirk hinrich, mike taylor, pargo

sg: EJ, fred jones, gerald green

sf: Al thornton, Trevor Ariza, steve novak

pf: blake griffin, carl landry, skinner (he is on a 2 year deal)

C: Camby, DJ.

Not happening....but looks not a bad scenario...

if i was doing it realistically i would say we end up keeping the same team and coach/gm and then getting the 6th pick, but i decided to do some far fetched stuff - i know the ariza thing is not happening btw. O and no way we get landry for baron. plus, the gerald green acquisition is realistic tho. he is not even playing on the mavs this year + he made their team off of the summer league squad - he could be had for the nba minimum. i've been saying the pargo thing since around november/december.

Yeah, I think you are right about Green. By the way, if it were possible, I will let you GM this one.

I think we should just replace Dunleavy before bowing up the roster. I still have hope that the half-ass play of our high paid guys has motivated them to train in the offseason. I want to give our roster the benefit of the doubt for one more season. I like the Free Agent signings above. Im just not sure about the trades. Kaman is he isn't traded really needs to take some initiative in improving his game. I don't think Baron or Z-Bo will be tradable with the Clippers getting anything good in return.

From what I've heard, Skinner is as good as gone because he can't stand the coach. Also I heard it is unlikely that we resign Fred which really ticks me off, he's not the best shooter, but I like his FT's, his veteran leadership, and he makes some very underrated defensive plays against terrific offensive players

sz123456 wrote:
From what I've heard, Skinner is as good as gone because he can't stand the coach. Also I heard it is unlikely that we resign Fred which really ticks me off, he's not the best shooter, but I like his FT's, his veteran leadership, and he makes some very underrated defensive plays against terrific offensive players

I don't know who I'd rather have... Skinner or Dunleavy. Such a hard decision to make.

roll

we're not resigning Fred?!?!?!?!? OMG!!! that just pissed me off. The guy that did alot for us this season. The guy that made that long shot. haha I'm going to miss him. Hopefully front office changes their mind.

Look at this picture...these are our guards of next season. And I want it to keep it that way:

http://clippers.newssurge.com/modules/gallery/group_pics/Four_Clipper_guards_in_Baron_Davis_Eric_Gordon_Mardy_Collins_and_Fred_Jones_congratulate_one_another

and Mike Taylor who is not showed in the picture but surely belongs in there.

guys, I found the thread title very confusing... What to do to rebuild this off season.. it should be how to Build from scratch this offseason. What do we truly have here? I dont see that this team has built much of anything this season. We need a player who can lead this team or a coach who can lead this team.. either way we need a competent leader.

Why is everyone down on Zbo? Yeah no D but he's a lot more valuable than Kaman. We're going to have to pay a FA a LOT to play on this Keystone Cop team. A lot of teams want Kaman ----GREAT

this is what we do...Don't trade anyone and don't draft anyone. When Stern says the Clippers get the 14th pick we rebel by not drafting. Then as for MDS kill him and hide him in Chris Kaman's wilderness house. Put Baron as Head coach

^^Then time runs out and they move on to the next team lol

IF we get a top 2 pick we're f**king drafting someone Wink

okay, we trade bd to sac for beno and their pick, and we add our pick.

Camby was our MVP for most of the year ... but I don't think he's up to the rigors of being a starting center this year. If his health doesn't hold out, we're down to DJ as the only center ... and DJ is far from ready.

Keep Kaman. He should be able to bounce back to his 07-08 form.

The only thing thats good is the FA signings and BD for Landry? WTF??? Anyways they have Brooks and Celtics wont let that dude go...I dont know about BD trade Kaman keep Z-Bo hes our post guy .....Get Thabeet if we get 3... 2 I dont know cuz we have BD so Rubio cant be back up because we have Taylor so Harden to back up Harden hold on Im going to search some stuff Ill be back

I agree about the tutor....what about Alonzo he retired so that would be sick! Thoughts?

Ok so I went to google and looked for 2009 NBA Mock Draft. And I want our team to draft Rubio. BUT... as I was looking at the mock drafts they think we'll pick up either Jordan Hill (PF) or Hasheem Thabeet (C) and this website made me think... we need a big center that can clog up the lane. I know we all ready have about 3 7 footers (Camby should be more then 6'11") But I noticed that this year we always go beaten down low. And we have enough guards already. I want to pursue a SF but I don't think this draft class has good SF's. So I think we should let go of Kaman and draft Thabeet and maybe sign a SF like Ariza? (As what everyone is saying.)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/lottery2009/mockdraft

  • And I forgot to add that Thabeet's height will help us stop Yao. Because it kinda made me mad how Yao just messed around with our centers since they were all shorter then him. haha

melaneeo0 wrote:
it kinda made me mad how Yao just messed around with our centers since they were all shorter then him. haha

True, but Skinner defended Yao pretty well ... but we won't keep Skinner. I'm not sold on Thabeet: same type of player as DJ. DJ would just rot on the bench.

melaneeo0 wrote:
Ok so I went to google and looked for 2009 NBA Mock Draft. And I want our team to draft Rubio. BUT... as I was looking at the mock drafts they think we'll pick up either Jordan Hill (PF) or Hasheem Thabeet (C) and this website made me think... we need a big center that can clog up the lane. I know we all ready have about 3 7 footers (Camby should be more then 6'11") But I noticed that this year we always go beaten down low. And we have enough guards already. I want to pursue a SF but I don't think this draft class has good SF's. So I think we should let go of Kaman and draft Thabeet and maybe sign a SF like Ariza? (As what everyone is saying.)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/lottery2009/mockdraft

  • And I forgot to add that Thabeet's height will help us stop Yao. Because it kinda made me mad how Yao just messed around with our centers since they were all shorter then him. haha

i did the lottery simulator 10 times to see an average. Here are my results.

1st = 5 times

2nd = 0

3rd = 2

5 = 2

6 = 1 (they had us taking donatas mojeius - something like that, what do u guys think of that guy).

Everyone should do the lottery 10 times and see what they get for the clips.

^^lol alright I gave it a whirl.

1 = 2

2 = 0

3 = 1

4 = 3

5 = 4

I like your lottery odds better Yaroslavs Wink

I'm not sold on Thabeet either and really don't see the need for him. Yeah our defense was terible all season but when we played well, our defense was amazing. So assuming we can actually play defense next season we wont need him. And I agree with Ether, DJ would rot on the bench and probably be traded. Whats the point. DJ finishes stronger than Thabeet, his body is stronger and his defense is getting there. If we pick 5 or 6 we should look into DeRozan or Clark.

I had pretty good odds when I ran the mock draft.

4 #2 picks for Rubio

3 #1 picks for Griffin

2 #4 picks for Hill

1 #3 picks for Thabeet

I can only hope for 7/10 odds for Rubio or Griffin in the real draft. It about time something goes right for us. Having a top two pick would make this last season worth something.

clippersfan85 wrote:
I had pretty good odds when I ran the mock draft.

4 #2 picks for Rubio

3 #1 picks for Griffin

2 #4 picks for Hill

1 #3 picks for Thabeet

I can only hope for 7/10 odds for Rubio or Griffin in the real draft. It about time something goes right for us. Having a top two pick would make this last season worth something.

for some reason the 17.7 odds is always better in the lotto mock on espn. when they gave us 17.8 i could get at best 1 or 2 three times but now its the majority. remember, we jumped the wizards last time they were 1 ahead of us in the lottery...

after watching 2days playoff game bulls verses celtics, i am very pissed. the bulls made a turnaround just by drafting rose!!!!!! and we signed a freaking veteran pg thats a supposed superstar, and we had one of the freaking worst records in the nba. u know what, im tired of waiting, and waiting, and waiting for this team to develop young players. WHATS THE POINT?!?!?!? when they get good, they are just gonna leave anyways!!! we have to do what the celtics did. we got to get 3 veterans that are on the same page, who are all willing to sacrifice their point total to win a championship! i highly doubt that eric gordon or al thornton will stay with this team. i know i wouldn't!!!! i wanna win NOW!

clipperstown wrote:
after watching 2days playoff game bulls verses celtics, i am very pissed. the bulls made a turnaround just by drafting rose!!!!!! and we signed a freaking veteran pg thats a supposed superstar, and we had one of the freaking worst records in the nba. u know what, im tired of waiting, and waiting, and waiting for this team to develop young players. WHATS THE POINT?!?!?!? when they get good, they are just gonna leave anyways!!! we have to do what the celtics did. we got to get 3 veterans that are on the same page, who are all willing to sacrifice their point total to win a championship! i highly doubt that eric gordon or al thornton will stay with this team. i know i wouldn't!!!! i wanna win NOW!

well if we get b-griff and fire dunceleavy, we could in about 1 season (not the coming one but the one after) be in the playoffs.

#1 ....

#2 ....

#3 .

#4

#5 .

went quite well heh Smile

I'm glad it's not ESPN that's doing it cause my odds sucked bad.. It took me 20 tries for us to get the first pick. Golden state and even the bucks got that pick before i did. But for the most part it was between 3-4 that i got...........

melaneeo0 wrote:
Ok so I went to google and looked for 2009 NBA Mock Draft. And I want our team to draft Rubio. BUT... as I was looking at the mock drafts they think we'll pick up either Jordan Hill (PF) or Hasheem Thabeet (C) and this website made me think... we need a big center that can clog up the lane. I know we all ready have about 3 7 footers (Camby should be more then 6'11") But I noticed that this year we always go beaten down low. And we have enough guards already. I want to pursue a SF but I don't think this draft class has good SF's. So I think we should let go of Kaman and draft Thabeet and maybe sign a SF like Ariza? (As what everyone is saying.)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/lottery2009/mockdraft

  • And I forgot to add that Thabeet's height will help us stop Yao. Because it kinda made me mad how Yao just messed around with our centers since they were all shorter then him. haha

hey i got the first pick 4 times in a row!!!!!lol

clipperstown wrote:
after watching 2days playoff game bulls verses celtics, i am very pissed. the bulls made a turnaround just by drafting rose!!!!!! and we signed a freaking veteran pg thats a supposed superstar, and we had one of the freaking worst records in the nba. u know what, im tired of waiting, and waiting, and waiting for this team to develop young players. WHATS THE POINT?!?!?!? when they get good, they are just gonna leave anyways!!! we have to do what the celtics did. we got to get 3 veterans that are on the same page, who are all willing to sacrifice their point total to win a championship! i highly doubt that eric gordon or al thornton will stay with this team. i know i wouldn't!!!! i wanna win NOW!

Obviously Rose is a big part of their success but there are other things that have changed since last year. The coach is one of them.

Furthermore I think they are getting big help from the guys traded in the middle of the season. Salmons and Brad Miller are veteran guys that know what this game is about and they have been a great boost.

And obviously this Celtics without KG in the middle aren't so frightening...In fact, IMO Chicago has a better team

Y1F- I like your plan, but it's gonna be though to trade Zach or BD. I'd be shocked and thrilled if we could get rid of them for solid players. Kaman might be more trade-able. We definitely need someone like Trevor Ariza to defend big guards and small forwards.

david wrote:
Y1F- I like your plan, but it's gonna be though to trade Zach or BD. I'd be shocked and thrilled if we could get rid of them for solid players. Kaman might be more trade-able. We definitely need someone like Trevor Ariza to defend big guards and small forwards.

yeah we have to get rid of both zach and kaman. im sure we can get kaman for hinrich, cause the bulls always need another big who can score. thats a for sure deal right there. and im sure we can trade randolph plus a first round draft pick of 2014 for some expiring contracts lol. it might sound like its some sort of fantasy, but teams are actually willing to take a 2014 FIRST ROUND draft pick.

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