Recalibration of Expectations (P. 3)

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Consequences. Shouldn't the person responsible for signing him be fired?


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Man somehow I knew Danilo was going to go down at some point during the season. Is there anyway to waive him and get him off the books for next season? Not exactly sure how that works.
He literally tore his Ass in half. lol


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We still chasing and signing washed up injury prone players still. I introduce you to Gallo.. the new Paul Pierce ladies and gentlemen.


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Ralph said Gallinari would be out 6 weeks tonight.

DJ to Cleveland for the Nets #1 plus salary cap filler. Gallinari elsewhere for a pick plus cap filler.

Our pick plus the Net's pick would give us two in the top ten this year. If the picks are used well, it could be a pretty quick rebuild.


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Ralph said Gallinari would be out 6 weeks tonight.

DJ to Cleveland for the Nets #1 plus salary cap filler. Gallinari elsewhere for a pick plus cap filler.

Our pick plus the Net's pick would give us two in the top ten this year. If the picks are used well, it could be a pretty quick rebuild.

This would be ideal


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Most of you are saying things that are true but insisting that they are mutually exclusive. All of you are basically right

Is BG a disappointment, a guy who was supposed to redefine the PF position but under performed? Remember, he was ROY? YES.Did he act like a spoiled petulant child? YES. Before he got hurt did he play great ball? YES. Did Doc disappoint us as a coach? YES. Did CP choke and not play to the strength of the team like dribble, dribble, dribble pass. YES. Did Doc suck as a GM? YES. Was Ballmer clueless? YES. Is it fair to judge our team or BG without considering injuries? NO. Should we be pissed at the GM for getting injury prone players? YES. Should we be pissed by nepotism? YES. Was CP the great motivator? NO, he needed a Malone and that was what BG was supposed to be.Have we been ROYALLY screwed by the refs? YES. Is DJ a flawed and unidimensional and not worth max? YES.Are there better centers? YES. Is DJ still immature? YES. Is Austin flawed? YES. Does he have a use? YES. Is he a starter? NO. He is a player who can score 20 points, is he valuable? YES. Do we have a tough motivated Bad Ass bench? YES. Has Doc done a good job managing this injury disaster? YES. Does this team if totally healthy suck? NO. If we hadn't had injuries and we could dump Doc and everybody gave 100% What would we have been? Bad asses.Will we make the POs? Maybe not but we will be spoilers. Do we we to at least rethink and retool? YES.


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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
Most of you are saying things that are true but insisting that they are mutually exclusive. All of you are basically right

Is BG a disappointment, a guy who was supposed to redefine the PF position but under performed? Remember, he was ROY? YES.Did he act like a spoiled petulant child? YES. Before he got hurt did he play great ball? YES. Did Doc disappoint us as a coach? YES. Did CP choke and not play to the strength of the team like dribble, dribble, dribble pass. YES. Did Doc suck as a GM? YES. Was Ballmer clueless? YES. Is it fair to judge our team or BG without considering injuries? NO. Should we be pissed at the GM for getting injury prone players? YES. Should we be pissed by nepotism? YES. Was CP the great motivator? NO, he needed a Malone and that was what BG was supposed to be.Have we been ROYALLY screwed by the refs? YES. Is DJ a flawed and unidimensional and not worth max? YES.Are there better centers? YES. Is DJ still immature? YES. Is Austin flawed? YES. Does he have a use? YES. Is he a starter? NO. He is a player who can score 20 points, is he valuable? YES. Do we have a tough motivated Bad Ass bench? YES. Has Doc done a good job managing this injury disaster? YES. Does this team if totally healthy suck? NO. If we hadn't had injuries and we could dump Doc and everybody gave 100% What would we have been? Bad asses.Will we make the POs? Maybe not but we will be spoilers. Do we we to at least rethink and retool? YES.

Do not think this is as cut and dry as you made it. But I agree on a whole lot of these Q&A's. Also a great layout of a LOT of themes we have been arguing about. Props.


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I think BG will surprise us if he can stay healthy for the rest of the season. If he can come back as focused as ever and Lou and Austin continue playing at a high level, we'll be a more than formidable opponent for just about anyone. It's really more about confidence, focus and health because this team definitely has the heart to be a winner.


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The way everyone talks about injuries, you'd think it's in our team culture. Injuries are an old excuse to me. We can judge the team on injuries, but within moderation, because the lack of urgency is not an injury problem. Blake Griffin is not even travelling with this team but he has time for comedy acts. Being an NBA player should be his Job 1st, not a jokester. We should consider a rebuild a team around DJ and let Doc continue to develop the young talents we have. Under a leader who with intensity, rebounding, and rim protection; perhaps, they can thrive inputting anyone in the system. Blake can come back, but he'll never be good enough. And winning-cultured franchises don't allow injuries to always be the excuse. Since Blake is so fragile, then we should find a new leader and trade BG when he shows that he is "healthy." Derek Rose was rookie of the year too and has talent too and blah, blah, blah, but he barely has the mental will to stay in the NBA. Blake isn't good because he was rookie of the year, and he is as/more guilty than CP3 for not rising higher. The Clippers aren't bad because he is injured and aren't a better team if he returns.


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Jerry West is not done with this team yet. We have to wait till the Feb trade deadline to see the final Clipper team.

And the Clippers are almost the 8th seed, with all the injuries..The season is not even half done yet. There is plenty of time

to make this a pretty good playoff team. We could end up in 6th place in the west. That was were I had predicted them to be,

and it can still happen. As long as we stay away from Golden State the first round, I think we have a chance to win the series.


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Don't know if this is the right place to post this but just wondering if anyone has been taking any notice of Tyrone Wallace in our G league team. I would love to sign Wilson but would be happy to let Williams go and sign Wallace to a 2 way contract. Has anyone got any thoughts on him.


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BrissyClipper wrote:
Don't know if this is the right place to post this but just wondering if anyone has been taking any notice of Tyrone Wallace in our G league team. I would love to sign Wilson but would be happy to let Williams go and sign Wallace to a 2 way contract. Has anyone got any thoughts on him.
funny you should ask. I was at the game yesterday. Wallace has has a good offensive game. He seems to be a natural shooter. At the very least he deserves some time over guys like Wesley Johnson. On a side note, I didn't like what I saw from Brice Johnson... He may be a lost cause


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funny you should ask. I was at the game yesterday. Wallace has has a good offensive game. He seems to be a natural shooter. At the very least he deserves some time over guys like Wesley Johnson. On a side note, I didn't like what I saw from Brice Johnson... He may be a lost cause

Dude, I saw the same thing with Bruce yesterday! He just moped, complaining, and looked like didn't want any part of the team. I saw it on ESPN yesterday. He's not even starting for them


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Speaking of Brice, I was reading this yesterday:

https://www.clipsnation.com/2017/12/26/ ... n-and-soon

We really need to keep Jamil Wilson. I like CJ Williams, too, but don't think it's as important to keep him. I hope we can find a way to do this.


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Yea I've thought the same thing about Brice since his first game of summer league. He just never seem to show any urgency on both ends of the floor.


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Yea I've thought the same thing about Brice since his first game of summer league. He just never seem to show any urgency on both ends of the floor.

He has urgency but he's not a standout in anything. They have to move him, no way you send Wilson back down to the G League.


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Dude, I saw the same thing with Bruce yesterday! He just moped, complaining, and looked like didn't want any part of the team. I saw it on ESPN yesterday. He's not even starting for them
moping was there. However, what bugged me is that he took an I'll advised three and tried to dribble the ball down court but caused a turnover. It seems like he's trying to stand out to get back in the big leagues, but rather than plying solid defense and rebounding he is trying to showboat and be a ball handler...bad move


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He has urgency but he's not a standout in anything. They have to move him, no way you send Wilson back down to the G League.
when Gallinari and Griffin come back there will be less room for guys like Evans, Wallace, Wilson, and others...we should at least let them fill the ranks of our G league team, and Brice better improve or I'm willing to part with him


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moping was there. However, what bugged me is that he took an I'll advised three and tried to dribble the ball down court but caused a turnover. It seems like he's trying to stand out to get back in the big leagues, but rather than plying solid defense and rebounding he is trying to showboat and be a ball handler...bad move

I did see that too, he dribbled it when he got the ball ans put it behind his back and he got ripped. I'm willing to part him now


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when Gallinari and Griffin come back there will be less room for guys like Evans, Wallace, Wilson, and others...we should at least let them fill the ranks of our G league team, and Brice better improve or I'm willing to part with him

These are the types of guys we always needed on this team. Not saying they are starters but these are the types to have on your bench instead of the Wes Johnsons, older Paul Pierce and whatnot. There should always be a spot for younger-hungrier players like these on the roster. Hell we can't even trust Gallo at this point. Unless something drastic happens he's a bust to the highest degree so far


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Unfortunately our bench guys are strong. If I could,I would like to keep them all excerpt Brice- Kudos. We'd like to get rid of Wes but then I'd like to get rid of a lot of things like lawyers. What will we get when we move DJ? Unfortunately we have no proven shooters on the bench except Lou. Evans is young and a bit exuberant,. Jamil is young too but he seems to shoot well.

Evans Lou Jamil Montrtezz or Dekker and Reed doesn't look bad. Austin a la Manu could rotate to the second unit as a SF since Doc likes three guard sets.


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Clemenza wrote:
These are the types of guys we always needed on this team. Not saying they are starters but these are the types to have on your bench instead of the Wes Johnsons, older Paul Pierce and whatnot. There should always be a spot for younger-hungrier players like these on the roster. Hell we can't even trust Gallo at this point. Unless something drastic happens he's a bust to the highest degree so far
I agree. I've always been supporter of drafting and developing, but the reality is Doc isn't. Doc is more likely to play journeymen like Wesley Johnson over the rookies.


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Always knew Brice was a bad pick. His NBA comparison was Taj Gibson without the defense which isn't an NBA player. We all hoped for the best but he couldn't change his game, and quite frankly he sucks outside of a turnaround jump shot from 5-10feet. He lacks any kind of versatility, can only play the 4. Doesn't play enough defense to even be a small ball 5 or the range to be a stretch big. The guy is a Joke. Drafting him was an even bigger joke because it never made sense. I hate that there's even a debate about how we're going to keep 2 solid contributors when BJ is just taking up space and complaining.


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Are we recalibrating the recalibration? The team just went 6-8 without Blake, in past seasons without Paul/Blake, we did not stay at 500 range. With Blake back, we should have a 50 win pace the rest of the way, barring no crazy injuries again. At 15-19, there are still 48 games left, so most of the season. If the team can do something like 28-20 or 29-19 the rest of the way, we're looking at 43-44 wins with Blake playing 68 games if he stays healthy the rest of the way.


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Agent0 wrote:
Are we recalibrating the recalibration? The team just went 6-8 without Blake, in past seasons without Paul/Blake, we did not stay at 500 range. With Blake back, we should have a 50 win pace the rest of the way, barring no crazy injuries again. At 15-19, there are still 48 games left, so most of the season. If the team can do something like 28-20 or 29-19 the rest of the way, we're looking at 43-44 wins with Blake playing 68 games if he stays healthy the rest of the way.

Agree our two way players really surprised me. Props to Doc for inserting Wilson instead of Dekker to the starting line up even though I disagreed at first


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Even with the huge blow of injuries to the team, my bets still remain alive. Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_02

Now if only the weak Italian stallion can get healthy and stay that way for at least 50 games....f#$k!


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Before the injuries Barkley said that nobody would really want to play us in the PO's. Depending on DJ, we're A LOT better. With the exception of DJ, every starter can kill you. Soon Evans will hurt you, Then there's Lou. I don't think Montrezz can handle 7' centers but again there's the DJ trade issue.


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Even with the huge blow of injuries to the team, my bets still remain alive. Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_02

Now if only the weak Italian stallion can get healthy and stay that way for at least 50 games....f#$k!

My bet was that you'd still making bets Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_08


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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
My bet was that you'd still making bets Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_08

And you'd be wrong.


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tense2 wrote:
Even with the huge blow of injuries to the team, my bets still remain alive. Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_02

Now if only the weak Italian stallion can get healthy and stay that way for at least 50 games....f#$k!

I keep forgetting he's even on the team. He's injured so much, and even when he does play, his shooting is poor. He still adds a lot when healthy. 50 games from him would be a blessing.


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Everyone who wants the Nets pick, has failed to pay attention to the Nets. It's not going to be a top pick. I'd rather re-sign DJ or get some good role players for him. Like a younger up and coming SF who isn't great yet but who has obvious potential and has improved every year. That's a realistic trade for DJ.


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Brooklyn is currently 13 and 23, 13th in the East. While they don't have the worst record, they're definitely bottom of the barrel. And since this draft is supposed to be stacked, that pick should be pretty valuable. Brooklyn may go on a run, but I wouldn't bet on it.


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It is time to recalibrate recalibration. Doc is actuality bringing out the best in the team. Who knows. It may be because he doesn't have a short point guard in his face - or maybe not. For the first time since the Brand playoff run I don't expect these guys to choke. To tank is unthinkable. Doc HAS to play Jamil. We can't depend on Wes and Jamil is a big body. We have to assume Gallo will be hurt again.

Wes should go and Gallo as well. Milos or Beverly have to go. We can't have two guards on the downhill from thirty. Who will start? Hopefully Beverly hasn't lost movement from the fracture. Evans can stay in front of anybody. Lou, Austin, Beverly. Montrezz will need some of the rough edges removed but he could be a monster. He has almost shot ten footers which means he's been practicing. He has some ability to handle the ball. What if somebody else sprints down the floor with him when he's a one man fast break but nobody did. Imagine him and Evans. DJ could never do that. DJ can't fight a double team and score.

Speaking of DJ, we forget that only one thing makes him good - he can jump. He doesn't get position, he jumps higher that anybody else. The first thing that goes are the legs. As far as a rim protector, there are a lot of young guys who can do that. Who wants to go against Gobert? Soon when DJ's outside the paint, some of these young agile centers will blow right past him. Could he guard Durant? Remember, KD is close to 7'. Yeah I know, nobody can but you get the idea. Sutton's Rule. WIllie Sutton was a famous bank robber. Somebody asked him why he robs banks, His answer was "I go where the money is." Assume DJ will be our Willie Sutton.

If Dekker could shoot, he'd be a good SF. If he can't he's not worth a lot.

With DJ gone we will have to group rebound. That means long bodies.

With luck and hard work on the part of our younger players we could be OK next year.


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laboy wrote:
Jerry West is not done with this team yet. We have to wait till the Feb trade deadline to see the final Clipper team.

And the Clippers are almost the 8th seed, with all the injuries..The season is not even half done yet. There is plenty of time

to make this a pretty good playoff team. We could end up in 6th place in the west. That was were I had predicted them to be,

and it can still happen. As long as we stay away from Golden State the first round, I think we have a chance to win the series.

In order to make the 6th seed, more or less, you have to be the 6th best team in the West. Look at the teams we are competing against, I do not see us as the 6th best team, even when fully healthy. If we hold health and team make-up constant - I can see us MAX getting as high as 7th seed.

More likely best case is 8th or 9th.

Just my opinion.


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Mistwell3 wrote:
Everyone who wants the Nets pick, has failed to pay attention to the Nets. It's not going to be a top pick. I'd rather re-sign DJ or get some good role players for him. Like a younger up and coming SF who isn't great yet but who has obvious potential and has improved every year. That's a realistic trade for DJ.

We might already have that with current players Jamil Wilson and Sam Dekker


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Clemenza wrote:
We might already have that with current players Jamil Wilson and Sam Dekker

No and no.... even though Dekker is balling now.


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No and no.... even though Dekker is balling now.

He didn't say a young star SF.. Look at what I bolded from his quote- "A young SF with potential". That fits the definition of Wilson and Dekker imo. Will they make a leap or remain regular role guys is up for debate.


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He didn't say a young star SF.. Look at what I bolded from his quote- "A young SF with potential". That fits the definition of Wilson and Dekker imo. Will they make a leap or remain regular role guys is up for debate.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the potential is not too high for them... but I see what you mean.


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Recalibrate your expectations.... Right now! DeAndre Jordan is the most important aspect for our entire franchise. These fools have many personal problems. Blake is a lil B. Austin is overconfident but fighting. Every single person the Clippers signs seems to be completely injury prone. Doc Rivers is a big personality that's getting paid.. One things is sure.. This franchise was purchased for 2 BILLION dollars. We need to find a way to anchor DJ. We have money to buy a franchise, we have money to pay Blake. We have money to pay Doc. BOY COREY MAGGETTE is back on this pay roll! DJ needs to be a major centerpiece of this franchise! Find me another man with the talents of DJ. Sometimes when you ball you can have good players and lose. Sometimes you have bad players who hustle and win. DJ needs to be recognized as a championship caliber player that needs his money. Find it! I don't care anymore about your gripes. Kobe didn't do it without Shaq... and he didn't do it again until Pau. Cavs are interested in him. Hell. The Warriors have had Bogut and McGee, Cavs have had Bogut and Tristan.. You're telling me DJ isn't better than that? If the Clippers want to prove themselves, they need to show that the LA Clippers can not only get All-Stars, but KEEP them! You think CP3 left cause of DJ? DJ was in LOB heaven! You think Doc was the problem? Doc was drafted by CP3, who continues to emphasis his championship ambitions! We may have drafted Blake but he is the drama queen. He is the reason CP3 probably left, and the main reason you all hate Doc....


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LAC_12 wrote:
No and no.... even though Dekker is balling now.

Dekker can't shoot.


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Well, this sucks. Hopefully there's some bigger plan here, but Wilson was playing great.


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That really sucks about Jamil Wilson. I really wanted him to succeed with the Clippers. Every time we sign or draft a new player I want them to be this hidden gem. I really do feel bad when they get waved or in the case of Brice johnson when they don't get a chance to play. Good luck to him. Any updates on Milos? Left foot injury. I hope he's not done for the year. We need to make a trade for starting guards in my opinion.


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Well, this sucks. Hopefully there's some bigger plan here, but Wilson was playing great.

He deserved "Austin" treatment. That's messed up. I really like this kid. He was too close to guarantee his deal that I am wondering if money was the reason. when Lawler mentioned how close he was, he disappeared. Hope that was not the reason.


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clipper*joe wrote:
He deserved "Austin" treatment. That's messed up. I really like this kid. He was too close to guarantee his deal that I am wondering if money was the reason. when Lawler mentioned how close he was, he disappeared. Hope that was not the reason.

Sample size important here, but think this might end up being a big oops for the Clippers especially from the team smart enough to sign him.

https://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/3030-jamil-wilson


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He deserved "Austin" treatment. That's messed up. I really like this kid. He was too close to guarantee his deal that I am wondering if money was the reason. when Lawler mentioned how close he was, he disappeared. Hope that was not the reason.

Nope only Austin gets to play through mistakes and have lineups adjusted in his behalf so he can shine and improve his game. So the last time we see Wilson play he damn near has 20 points in a half and then poof he's gone? Love the Clipps but we're a sh*tty-no vision organization through and through. We've needed a player like Wilson for how long now, 5-7 years??? Unbelievable. This will be Joe Ingles v2.0


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It's time to tank for Trae Young. Trade DJ to Cleveland for the Brooklyn pick and just rebuild.


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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
Dekker can't shoot.

Lol, why are you quoting and responding to me?


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PagingDrDrain wrote:
Recalibrate your expectations.... Right now! If the Clippers want to prove themselves, they need to show that the LA Clippers can not only get All-Stars, but KEEP them! I think everyone needs to rally around DJ, instead of the pipe dreams of Blake Griffin. I'd take a [guy?] that hustles every single game and hangs his hat on defense, than a Blake Griffin. Unintentionally, that man is actually DeAndre Jordan!
Welp, this is exactly what I wanted to reemphasize... LA drafts a diamond in the rough in DJ, LA then drafts a potential superstar in BG, LA lures a bona-fide....


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Argument why we should NOT trade DJ... although the "NBA is a business", "franchises take care of their players."

Would DJ come back to a team that wants him back?

Doesn't really matter... by not trading our hardest working player and the ONE constant in many or our successes, we let other people know that if you come here and DO YOUR JOB, we won't short you and trade you in... We will reward you with money and security.

Sometimes doing the right thing, makes more sense down the line.

Even if we do not retain the services of the big man... we show the NBA our front office means franchise business. Unlike sterling, profit seeking, over anxious times... we come off as confident and respectful.


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Also if the SPURS approach doesn't work for y'all maybe this will...

Championship hunting teams are after our starting center for the postseason run. From bona-fide champs in Cleveland down to true contenders...

Doesn't that tell you something?

DJ is the REAL DEAL. If you have been blind or biased, the market (for the most part) does not lie... DJ is in HIGH demand. He is a championship caliber center.

Our max money is going to the wrong player, but don't mind me....


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