INSIDER: Take on Moving DJ

FightOnRon CNS MVP X2 Posts: 5725 Location: The Darkside

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02/17/2013 - 05:42 PM

Sean Deveney of SportingNews.com reports that issues between DeAndre Jordan and coach Vinny Del Negro could lead the Los Angeles Clippers to deal the big man prior to the trade deadline. "Del Negro and Jordan have frequently clashed over playing time, the source said, and there is a chance he could be moved before Thursday’s deadline for a veteran big man, even if it is not in a deal for Garnett," he wrote. "Before the Cleveland Cavaliers’ Anderson Varejao got injured,....

Letsgetthew Posts: 178 votes: 0

02/17/2013 - 05:59 PM

Vinny is a seat warmer and needs to work with Dj on a solution. Can't stand this situation

FightOnRon CNS MVP X2 Posts: 5725 Location: The Darkside

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02/17/2013 - 06:18 PM

Letsgetthew wrote:

Vinny is a seat warmer and needs to work with Dj on a solution. Can't stand this situation

Agreed. the team is the best I have ever witnessed for the CLips, they are clicking, they are winning,,,,so let's start the fights between the team, the coach and the FO. What is wrong with these people??? ....

82-0 Posts: 1360 votes: 3

02/17/2013 - 06:22 PM

Personally, I'd fire Vinny for not being able to get along with his players, and then trade DJ for KG anyway. ....

bullterrierclipsfan1349 CNS MVP X1 Posts: 4526

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02/17/2013 - 06:31 PM

82-0 wrote:

Personally, I'd fire Vinny for not being able to get along with his players, and then trade DJ for KG anyway.

good thing you arent someone with any say in personnel matters. lol

GhostShip Clipper All-Star Posts: 1147 Location: Ralph Lawlers backyard

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02/17/2013 - 06:37 PM

Its easy to see why they would have a problem. Dj is a good player who is getting less minutes for lamar who hasnt done much but rebound and defend. Deandre can do those things just as good while having a some what of a presence on the offensive end. He deserves more minutes and its a shame he doesnt get them. i understand becuase of Deandre free throw percentage VDn takes him out. Well....

Clippersfan86 CNS MVP Champion Posts: 17654 votes: 98

02/17/2013 - 06:40 PM

Both parties are at fault. Vinny is a bonehead with rotations and doesn't reward Jordan when he DOES play great. Jordan on the other hand is at fault for being such a liability at the free throw line, inconsistent defensively and committing very costly plays regularly. Not to mention he only really shows up once every 5-10 games. ....

CP3Best CNS MVP X2 Posts: 5373 votes: 21

02/17/2013 - 07:12 PM

I hold DJ at fault here, he's a miniature Dwight Howard, and I'd rather trade him than have him start a dwightmare here. let's face it, this is like his 6th year in the league, his free throws are still TERRIBLE, his post game has Faded, and he's not a good defender. We're paying him tooooooooo much for what we're getting. If we payed him less, that would be ok since he has so much athleticism, but that's pretty much....

Clippersfan86 CNS MVP Champion Posts: 17654 votes: 98

02/17/2013 - 07:16 PM

I'm all for trading DJ for the right deal and I wouldn't regret it one bit. I'll be sad when Bledsoe leaves though. ....

LAbreakers Clipper Starter Posts: 897 votes: 11

02/17/2013 - 09:10 PM

CP3Best wrote:

I hold DJ at fault here, he's a miniature Dwight Howard, and I'd rather trade him than have him start a dwightmare here. let's face it, this is like his 6th year in the league, his free throws are still TERRIBLE, his post game has Faded, and he's not a good defender. We're paying him tooooooooo much for what we're getting. If we payed him less, that would be ok since he has so much athleticism, but that's pretty much....

Mistwell Clipper Starter Posts: 682 Location: Los Angeles votes: 15

02/17/2013 - 09:19 PM

The disdain for Kenyon Martin was 100% justified, and anyone who thinks VDN, or anyone other than Kenyon Martin, was at fault in that wasn't watching very closely. Martin is a cancer, and that's why he's essentially done as a player. I would not be surprised if eventually some playoff team picks him up for a few months, but I seriously doubt he ever gets paid more than the vet min again, or even ever gets a long term....

worm Clipper All-Star Posts: 1522 votes: 4

02/17/2013 - 09:45 PM

If Vinny decided to play DJ every end of the 4th quarter I don't know our winning standing now,DJ should workout his liabilities on his game he is now 5th or 6 the year in the league until now he is still learning the basic of the game.It is not the job of the team to fix his liabilities,paying millions of dollars and this kind of thing the Clippers get. ....

jarca CNS MVP Champion Posts: 15671

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02/17/2013 - 10:17 PM

Vinny the big man killer! First Martin now jordan.

tense2 CNS MVP X3 Posts: 14209 votes: 32

02/17/2013 - 11:37 PM

jarca wrote:

Vinny the big man killer! First Martin now jordan.

Martin was the Martin killer, lol. A big man who's not in big demand.

Amnesty_David_Stern Clipper All-Star Posts: 2344 votes: 7

02/17/2013 - 11:40 PM

There's a reason why DJ doesn't get many minutes people. VDN may be gone soon, but DJ needs to be traded for a better C. ....

Keatonsays Clipper All-Star Posts: 1725

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02/17/2013 - 11:45 PM

Amnesty_David_Stern wrote:

There's a reason why DJ doesn't get many minutes people. VDN may be gone soon, but DJ needs to be traded for a better C.

trade him for who?

tense2 CNS MVP X3 Posts: 14209 Joined: 06/26/2010 votes: 32

02/18/2013 - 12:03 AM

Amnesty_David_Stern wrote:

There's a reason why DJ doesn't get many minutes people. VDN may be gone soon, but DJ needs to be traded for a better C.

He does well when he plays 30+ mins. 6 out of the 8 times he's played that many minutes he's averaged in double figures in both scoring and rebounding. Plus his FT% has been at least .500 in 6 out of 8. He needs to play more IMO. http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=jordade01&match=game&year_min=2013&year_max=2013&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_is_ec1=Y&round_is_ecs=Y&round_is_ecf=Y&round_is_wc1=Y&round_is_wcs=Y&round_is_wcf=Y&round_is_fin=Y&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_GF=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=30&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts ....

greeniis78 Clipper Rookie Posts: 84 votes: 1

02/18/2013 - 09:14 AM

bullterrierclipsfan1349 wrote:

82-0 wrote:

Personally, I'd fire Vinny for not being able to get along with his players, and then trade DJ for KG anyway.

good thing you arent someone with any say in personnel matters. lol

yea thank God. If not wed all be in trouble. What's he gonna do next. Cut cp3 and sign Steve Nash..gosh! I love my Clippers! Go CLIPS! ....

greeniis78 Clipper Rookie Posts: 84 votes: 1

02/18/2013 - 09:24 AM

GhostShip wrote:

Its easy to see why they would have a problem. Dj is a good player who is getting less minutes for lamar who hasnt done much but rebound and defend. Deandre can do those things just as good while having a some what of a presence on the offensive end. He deserves more minutes and its a shame he doesnt get them. i understand becuase of Deandre free throw percentage VDn takes him out. Well....

greeniis78 Clipper Rookie Posts: 84 votes: 1

02/18/2013 - 09:30 AM

Clippersfan86 wrote:

Both parties are at fault. Vinny is a bonehead with rotations and doesn't reward Jordan when he DOES play great. Jordan on the other hand is at fault for being such a liability at the free throw line, inconsistent defensively and committing very costly plays regularly. Not to mention he only really shows up once every 5-10 games.

exactly if he plays good. But don't blame VDM. Hes making the right call. I love my Clippers! Go Clips! ....

greeniis78 Clipper Rookie Posts: 84 votes: 1

02/18/2013 - 09:34 AM

tense2 wrote:

jarca wrote:

Vinny the big man killer! First Martin now jordan.

Martin was the Martin killer, lol. A big man who's not in big demand.

lol...I second this thought too! ....

clipperboy24 CNS MVP X2 Posts: 7130 Joined: 07/07/2008 votes: 44

02/18/2013 - 10:37 AM

tense2 wrote:

Amnesty_David_Stern wrote:

There's a reason why DJ doesn't get many minutes people. VDN may be gone soon, but DJ needs to be traded for a better C.

He does well when he plays 30+ mins. 6 out of the 8 times he's played that many minutes he's averaged in double figures in both scoring and rebounding. Plus his FT% has been at least .500 in 6 out of 8. He needs to play more IMO. http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=jordade01&match=game&year_min=2013&year_max=2013&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_is_ec1=Y&round_is_ecs=Y&round_is_ecf=Y&round_is_wc1=Y&round_is_wcs=Y&round_is_wcf=Y&round_is_fin=Y&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_GF=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=30&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

. It's bad when you have to say shoots at....

tense2 CNS MVP X3 Posts: 14209 votes: 32

02/18/2013 - 11:47 AM

Yep FT% needs to improve, but still should be playing more minutes.

chonkyfire24 Clipper 6th Man Posts: 119 votes: 0

02/18/2013 - 02:32 PM

maybe the clipps should send DJ to the D league and tell him he's not coming back until he can shoot at least 60% ....

bullterrierclipsfan1349 CNS MVP X1 Posts: 4526

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02/18/2013 - 03:45 PM

^ and have hollins be the starter and turiaf back him up? no thanks. i rather have DJ here

chonkyfire24 Clipper 6th Man Posts: 119 votes: 0

02/18/2013 - 03:47 PM

bullterrierclipsfan1349 wrote:

^ and have hollins be the starter and turiaf back him up? no thanks. i rather have DJ here

we'll just play super small. As long as DJ"s FT shooting continues to be atrocious, he will be a liability. I really don't understand what's so hard about making ft's either.. it's the simplest, most basic skill in basketball. ....

Clippersfan86 CNS MVP Champion Posts: 17654 Joined: 07/11/2008 Age: 40
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02/18/2013 - 03:52 PM

clipperboy24 wrote:

tense2 wrote:

Amnesty_David_Stern wrote:

There's a reason why DJ doesn't get many minutes people. VDN may be gone soon, but DJ needs to be traded for a better C.

He does well when he plays 30+ mins. 6 out of the 8 times he's played that many minutes he's averaged in double figures in both scoring and rebounding. Plus his FT% has been at least .500 in 6 out of 8. He needs to play more IMO. http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=jordade01&match=game&year_min=2013&year_max=2013&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_is_ec1=Y&round_is_ecs=Y&round_is_ecf=Y&round_is_wc1=Y&round_is_wcs=Y&round_is_wcf=Y&round_is_fin=Y&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_GF=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=30&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

. It's bad when you have to say shoots at....

tense2 CNS MVP X3 Posts: 14209 votes: 32

02/18/2013 - 04:01 PM

^not misleading at all. Just depends on your mind set.

FightOnRon CNS MVP X2 Posts: 5725 Location: The Darkside

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02/18/2013 - 05:28 PM

chonkyfire24 wrote:

maybe the clipps should send DJ to the D league and tell him he's not coming back until he can shoot at least 60%

He'd look like Bill Russell does now before he gets back

toohipcliptoslip CNS MVP X2 Posts: 9529 votes: 71

02/18/2013 - 05:44 PM

Shaq 0.522 Wilt 0.511 D12 last 4 years ~ 0.55S Some big men don't have the fine motor skills to shoot a high % FTs ....

Clippersfan86 CNS MVP Champion Posts: 17654 votes: 98

02/18/2013 - 05:47 PM

toohipcliptoslip wrote:

Shaq 0.522 Wilt 0.511 D12 last 4 years ~ 0.55S Some big men don't have the fine motor skills to shoot a high % FTs

Difference is the other 3 dominated. If DJ dominated the game nobody would....

Hooligans Clipper 6th Man Posts: 217 votes: 3

02/18/2013 - 06:29 PM

Odom is currently shooting 44% from the line (albeit he doesn't go there very often), and he's shooting under 40% from the field. Where's the hate for him? Our defensive woes haven't been from getting destroyed inside, we can't stop the 3-ball. And last I checked, Deandre's job isn't to cover perimeter players. DJ still has a lot of improvement to do (which is good, that means our current core can get even better), but I don't view him as a....

Hoop Clipper Starter Posts: 393 votes: 0

02/18/2013 - 06:32 PM

FightOnRon wrote:

chonkyfire24 wrote:

maybe the clipps should send DJ to the D league and tell him he's not coming back until he can shoot at least 60%

He'd look like Bill Russell does now before he gets back

LOL! And as bill said onto the question how much PPG he average nowadays in the NBA, ten. Ten? Yeah well i am 75 years old. That´s what DJ averages now Very Happy

. ....

jarca CNS MVP Champion Posts: 15671

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02/18/2013 - 10:35 PM

Hooligans wrote:

Odom is currently shooting 44% from the line (albeit he doesn't go there very often), and he's shooting under 40% from the field. Where's the hate for him? Our defensive woes haven't been from getting destroyed inside, we can't stop the 3-ball. And last I checked, Deandre's job isn't to cover perimeter players. DJ still has a lot of improvement to do (which is good, that means our current core can get even better), but I don't view him as a....

Clippersfan86 CNS MVP Champion Posts: 17654 votes: 98

02/18/2013 - 11:05 PM

Lately I agree Odom is nearly as much of a liability as DJ, especially at the free throw line and scoring wise. Thing is Odom's a better defender and SIGNIFICANTLY better rebounder this year. How many times does Odom get 10 rebounds in 20 minutes or less this year? He's averaging 7 boards a game off the bench and his rebounding rates are nice. ....

jarca CNS MVP Champion Posts: 15671

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02/18/2013 - 11:10 PM

Clippersfan86 wrote:

Lately I agree Odom is nearly as much of a liability as DJ, especially at the free throw line and scoring wise. Thing is Odom's a better defender and SIGNIFICANTLY better rebounder this year. How many times does Odom get 10 rebounds in 20 minutes or less this year? He's averaging 7 boards a game off the bench and his rebounding rates are nice.

Odom averages 5.9 rebound in 20 mins while dj averages 7.3 in 24 minutes. How did u....

jarca CNS MVP Champion Posts: 15671

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02/18/2013 - 11:16 PM

Per 36 minutes

Dj- 10.7 reb

Odom- 10.4

How is odom a better rebounder?

Clippersfan86 CNS MVP Champion Posts: 17654 votes: 98

02/18/2013 - 11:54 PM

My mistake I thought Odom was average 7 in less minutes, not 6. Regardless PER 36 nearly the same and rebound rate nearly identical as well. I suppose I'd just trust Odom far more to get a needed rebound and he seems more consistent with it. So I still think Odom is the better rebounder despite the numbers, although these numbers prove that it's not fair for me to act like there is a noticeable gap. ....

Keatonsays Clipper All-Star Posts: 1725

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02/19/2013 - 12:23 AM

Hooligans wrote:

Odom is currently shooting 44% from the line (albeit he doesn't go there very often), and he's shooting under 40% from the field. Where's the hate for him?

Our defensive woes haven't been from getting destroyed inside, we can't stop the 3-ball. And last I checked, Deandre's job isn't to cover perimeter players. DJ still has a lot of improvement to do (which is good, that means our current core can get even better), but I don't view him as a liability. Also, Chris WANTS Deandre to be on this team. I'll side with the best PG in the nba on this one.

And going back to the FTs, Deandre's stroke looks GREAT. The shots will eventually fall, but we mostly just need him to be our defensive anchor who can throw down a few nasty dunks here and there.

Edit: And I don't think I remember any games where DJ has cost us because of his poor FT shooting. In fact, the one time he did have to shoot FTs in the clutch, he made them (Utah game).

Thank You.

CP3Heliflopter CNS MVP X2 Posts: 7602 votes: 14

02/19/2013 - 12:25 AM

Thats probably the one thing about VDN I can't stand. His love fest with Odom. Odom shoots Fts just as poorly this season and he plays down the stretch even when DJ plays well and Odom plays poorly. It just doesn't make sense and now all this talk about VDN pushing to trade DJ.... DJ has not met my expectations but I think his lack of playing time has stunted his growth a bit and lowered his confidence. ....

Clipswhit Clipper All-Star Posts: 1804

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02/19/2013 - 01:07 AM

Clippersfan86 wrote:

My mistake I thought Odom was average 7 in less minutes, not 6. Regardless PER 36 nearly the same and rebound rate nearly identical as well. I suppose I'd just trust Odom far more to get a needed rebound and he seems more consistent with it. So I still think Odom is the better rebounder despite the numbers, although these numbers prove that it's not fair for me to act like there is a noticeable gap.

There is neither a noticeable....

clipcast3 Clipper Starter Posts: 262 Location: Staples Center votes: 3

02/19/2013 - 01:39 AM

Odoms a smarter player. Odom is a more calming influence. Odom is a better leader. Odom is a better anchor. VDN knows what he's doing. ....

bullterrierclipsfan1349 CNS MVP X1 Posts: 4526

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02/19/2013 - 01:40 AM

chonkyfire24 wrote:

bullterrierclipsfan1349 wrote:

^ and have hollins be the starter and turiaf back him up? no thanks. i rather have DJ here

we'll just play super small. As long as DJ"s FT shooting continues to be atrocious, he will be a liability. I really don't understand what's so hard about making ft's either.. it's the simplest, most basic skill in basketball.

we will get pounded inside like the heat do when they face the pacers. shooting ft's seem easy, but if ur mind is not....

Clippersfan86 CNS MVP Champion Posts: 17654 votes: 98

02/19/2013 - 01:54 AM

Clipswhit wrote:

Clippersfan86 wrote:

My mistake I thought Odom was average 7 in less minutes, not 6. Regardless PER 36 nearly the same and rebound rate nearly identical as well. I suppose I'd just trust Odom far more to get a needed rebound and he seems more consistent with it. So I still think Odom is the better rebounder despite the numbers, although these numbers prove that it's not fair for me to act like there is a noticeable gap.

There is neither a noticeable....

botev1921 Clipper Starter Posts: 601

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02/19/2013 - 10:19 AM

First we need to offload DJ as soon as possible. He will be impossible to trade soon - a guy who does nothing for 10 mil. a year is not exactly attractive to other teams. If we can insist whoever wants Bledsoe needs to take DJ as well, that would be amazing! When we are done with that problem and depending on the outcome of the season we could consider letting VDN go! ....

Grillinnap Posts: 7377 Location: Laughing at irrational Laker morons votes: 22

02/19/2013 - 11:09 AM

This is a stupid trade. Giving up Bledsoe and DJ for a player near retirement?

greeniis78 Clipper Rookie Posts: 84 votes: 1

02/19/2013 - 09:28 PM

Clippersfan86 wrote:

toohipcliptoslip wrote:

Shaq 0.522 Wilt 0.511 D12 last 4 years ~ 0.55S Some big men don't have the fine motor skills to shoot a high % FTs

Difference is the other 3 dominated. If DJ dominated the game nobody would....

greeniis78 Clipper Rookie Posts: 84 votes: 1

02/19/2013 - 09:31 PM

Clippersfan86 wrote:

My mistake I thought Odom was average 7 in less minutes, not 6. Regardless PER 36 nearly the same and rebound rate nearly identical as well. I suppose I'd just trust Odom far more to get a needed rebound and he seems more consistent with it. So I still think Odom is the better rebounder despite the numbers, although these numbers prove that it's not fair for me to act like there is a noticeable gap.

Clippersfan86 im giving you a....

Clippersfan86 CNS MVP Champion Posts: 17654 votes: 98

02/19/2013 - 11:52 PM

botev1921 wrote:

First we need to offload DJ as soon as possible. He will be impossible to trade soon - a guy who does nothing for 10 mil. a year is not exactly attractive to other teams. If we can insist whoever wants Bledsoe needs to take DJ as well, that would be amazing! When we are done with that problem and depending on the outcome of the season we could consider letting VDN go!

I truly fear for two years from now....

A7XDreamTheaterClipps Clipper All-Star Posts: 1554 Location: A7XDreamTheaterClipps Joined: 06/11/2011 votes: 21

02/20/2013 - 07:17 PM

DJ and Vinny clashing shouldn't alarm anybody. As great as the team chemestry has been, no one's perfect. I'm pretty sure there's been occasions that individuals have been at eachother's throats. As for DJ, what do we have to hate DJ for? Because he's a poor freethrow shooter and he's not living up to his contract? First of all, it's pretty common that big men struggle with freethrows. And DJ's contract is the STANDARD for an athletic center. Don't....

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