Dwight Howard is nothing but another 7 foot victim for Blake

Im getting tired of hereing all this garbage about how the lakers are the team to beat....haaaa....dont make me vomit! Nash is nothing but another guard that CP3 is going to utterly destroy! And dwight is just another victim that blake will add to the list and posterize!! Here is some truth for u laker dummies....

Western Conference Standings 1-8:

1. Clippers

2. OKC

3. Spurs

4. Lakers

5. Dallas (with additions of collison, oj mayo, kaman)

6. Denver (with addition of iggy)

7. Memphis

8. Pheonix (with additions of beasley, o'neal, dragic)

7.

I'm a clipper fan too man but get real

Get real?....get real about what?! The truth...im a die hard clipper fan....but it aint even about that...have i not stated the facts...whats your arguement?

I would give OKC the first seed just because they reached the finals last season, but I definitely see our team in the 2nd or third not any lower than that

Sorry boss i have to disagree....do u not remember how we dominated okc last season...now...i give them credit for making the finals but thats because a sorry laker team couldnt and cant handle them...now i know its over but imagine for a sec u substitute the cliipets playing okc and the lakers playing the spurs...odds would of came out different...we beat okc 4 times last season with a sub par team...imagine how we are going to dominate them with this team we have now...thats why i got us at 1 and okc at 2...the stats and facts dont lie my man...

what facts have you stated i don't get it...

Nash always picks us apart everytime we play.. His ability to run that pick and roll really eats our defense apart..

DJ will be our main defender against Dwight.. That alone is enough said..

By the way you rate things, shouldn't the Spurs be the top team.. Didn't they sweep us in the playoffs? Don't the Lakers have a completly different team?

Our advantage comes from our bench.. Now while i believe we have a great chance against the Lakers i just find your POV funny.. and why are you directing your post towards Laker Dummies on a Clippers board?? I hope your joking really..

I do remember how we dominated OKC last season, however, we are not going to reach the first seed by only winning against OKC are we? We also have to beat the Lakers and the Spurs for that spot

OKC match up well with the majority of teams. That's why they will probably have the best record again. But we match up better than most with them. The Pacific should be a dogfight... the hallway season series will decide the division and 2nd seed.

Wow...i really love how u dont pay attention to anything that happens in a season... Yes we got swept by the spurs but u failed to mention why....we had an injured chris paul and griffin last season just to remind u...now....to your other point...nash is intelligent....offensively!! What has he done defensively in his career?....still waiting.....i never stated he wasnt an offensive genious....but so are alot of players...my point was nash wont keep up with any of the top guards in the league now....so like i said cp3 will dominate him....now...to your last point....dwight and DJ in my opinion are basically the same player with dwight have a pinch of an edge...dwight is not thos ultimate offinsive force everyone fears....not even! Its his defensive nature that made him who he is...know your facts before u start defending faker players...clipper forum or not...i know the game....i play the game and i so happen to be the next in line biggest clipper fan there is next to my boy clipper darrell...

^ "Second only to my boy, Clipper Darrell" probably isn't the best way to measure yourself as a Clippers fan.

Welcome, dude... but Darrell doesn't carry much weight here.

The point is......u get my point! I could care less what u think about clipper darrell...like i said....the point is...u get my point...stay on topic bro...

^ Sure, man... I'll stay on... who's got a bump?... topic... you know what I...I'm next, dude... mean?

'cause... sniff... I'm SUCH a big... dude, no way we finished it already... Clippers fan.

The point is... U get my point.

"Topical" enough for ya?

Lets be serious here.The Lakers and Spurs won the series against us so I don't know how you just are automatically saying we are clearly the best when we struggled with both teams.Howard might get posterized but he will be a huge problem for the Clips.We only played Orlando once last year and we did beat them but DJ fouled out with 8 points and 8 rebounds,while Howard grabbed 14 rebounds and put up 33 points.How are they basically the same player?Howard is a huge problem for us on both defense and offense.As far as Nash goes we lost the series against the Suns because of him.While CP3 is a better player,if Nash can use the Suns roster to beat us than he obviously is a big issue for us with the roster the Lakers have.CP3 is the best point guard in the game but that doesn't mean he will just shut down Nash,he can slow him down but Nash has so many weapons now offensively with the Lakers that not even Paul can stop him from putting up ridiculous numbers. So I am not sure how you are coming to the conclusion that we will automatically be the #1 seed when there is no evidence except for the fact we won the series against the Thunder.The Clippers did do that but the regular season and the playoffs are two completely different animals.Even if we won every game against the Thunder and they were all blowouts,we would not just automatically beat them in the playoffs.I am hoping for a great season and a championship as much as you are but I know that it is going to be very difficult to beat and have better records than the Spurs,Lakers,and Thunder.Just because your a fan of the Clippers doesn't mean you have....

I don't usually post but you would have the be the biggest homer ever to think that the Clippers will easily grab the #1 seed. We'd be fortunate to get top 3 in my opinion. Spurs, Thunder have similar talent and are better coached IMO. Lakers have by far more talent. They have four top 5 players in their respective positions (Dwight #1 Center, Pau Top 5 PF, Kobe #1-2 SG, Nash Top 5 might be stretch but he is still is one of the best). Bench is not as bad as people make it out to be either. We're still going to have to deal with other clubs such as Memphis (took us to 7 games), an improve Denver team, and others (every year there are surprise teams). Yes, we have added some intriguing talent, but we have to wait and see how well that talent meshes together. Having CP3 helps, but a lot of the players we have added have been inconsistent over the years. Really excited for the season and will try to be optimistic, but I think it would be a serious upset if we managed to get past these top teams.

Guys don't reign us champs but don't just say we'll be the 4th or 5th seed either. We beat the OKC series, we were half a game away from the spot the lakers had, and everyone's missing that we DIDN'T have our starting sg in Billups, and we replaced our 2 worst defenders(Reggie Evans yeah 7.8 fouls per 48 min, and Mo Williams allowing 38.5% from the 3) Who's to say we can't be top 3 when we were only few games away from snatching it! DJ and Griffin wil be improved, working with shooting coaches all summer, you don't just learn to suck doughnuts!

Analyze what I said above and compare with how the Lakers fared, swapping the 2nd best center for the best doesn't give you much improvement, their stats almost identical offense and defense, Nash is gonna help them but from what I saw in the Olympics, Kobe doesn't need to be found he just gets the ball, makes a bunch of hesitation moves, isolates and shoots it with a hand in his face! Last I heard Nash didn't like to play with arguably one of the best Centers Shaq!

I don't like threads that put the Clippers as the top of the western conference. That's wishful thinking. We have to accept reality that the Oklahoma City Thunder are hungry for revenge, the Spurs are still clicking, the Lakers transformed into the 2012 Hall Of Fame Laker Gods (and are now invincible), and the rest of the western conference is still stacked. The media and analyst still don't believe the Clippers will win a championship, that they are, and will always remain, losers because of a bad past with a very bad reputation owned by the worst owner in all of sports, who happens to be friends with the greatest owner in all of sports and has even helped in making the Lakers more prosperous than ever. In fact, I could make the argument that if the Clippers do make the playoffs, they will clinch the playoffs as an eighth seed. The best way to describe an eighth seed is like a resident from out of town moving to a bigger city, who has a long ways to go before grasping onto the city's new culture and all of its unwritten rules. The Clippers have been to the playoffs eight times, and made it to the second round three times (two if you exclude the Buffalo Braves short-lived era). This isn't their first rodeo, but they've yet to reach the pinnacle of the promised land. Until they make the western conference finals, the Clippers are still considered beginners, rookies. But consider this: last year in the NHL, the Los Angeles Kings made history by becoming the first eighth seed to win the Stanley Cup, beating the first place Vancouver Canucks, second place St. Louis Blues, and third place Phoenix Coyotes in the western conference, ALL of them top seeds. The Clippers can....

Even though I am super excited about this season, I think it's premature to assume that we'll take the 1st seed. You seriously sound like Ron Artest talking about the Lakers will beat the Bulls' single season win record. No one can predict what can happen in an 82 game season. We probably would've had a better chance in the playoffs had Chauncey had been there, but those are the things that can change everything. I think we'll top 4 in the west for sure!

Serioulsy ,,we are not number one in the west. OKC is a powerhouse and the Fake show is going to be tough. I can see OKC one,,the Fakes as 2 SA as 3 and then us. I could see us moving to the 3 spot based on SA or the Fakes having injuries to their "older the our" team. Playoffs there are no predictions,,we have to see how we held together by then. It is so easy,,and lame,,to declare yourselves NBA champs before a tip off. Teams play a lot differently in the NBA second season,,aka playoffs. For now I just want our guys to get through the season unscathed,vs limping into playoff as last year. Then let's go from there.

You can't state "facts",,there are none. We are playing again with a new team. The Fakes are again playing with almost a new team. there are no stats,,there is no comparison. We haven't played yet.

NO1Wammy is right,,we are a Cinderella team on paper (but so are my Dodgers and where are they now?),,,but we have to play on a wooden floor, not on paper. And I do think CP3 stays if we play as well , or better, then last year and I can see that happening as the core of this team is getting better every year.

And typing you are the biggest Clipper fan in the world does not make you so. But it does anger many that have been following this team for a long time. Hell,,half this board has been fans longer then Clipper Darrell,,,we just aren't blowhards about it,,,or trying to make a buck off of it.

Just for sh!ts and giggles, odds to win 2012-13 NBA title

LAKERS 9-4

Miami 9-4

Oklahoma City 4-1

Chicago 10-1

San Antonio 12-1

Boston 20-1

Indiana 25-1

CLIPPERS 30-1

Memphis 30-1

Philadelphia 30-1

Dallas 40-1

Denver 40-1

New York 40-1

Brooklyn 100-1

Atlanta 100-1

Milwaukee 100-1

Utah 100-1

Portland 100-1

Minnesota 100-1

Sacramento 200-1

Phoenix 200-1

Cleveland 200-1

Detroit 200-1

Washington 200-1

Toronto 500-1

Orlando 1,000-1

Charlotte 1,000-1

Source: The Las Vegas Hotel and Casino

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers-chart-20120925,0,1223434.story

First we are not a Cinderella team. This is not the old DTS spend no money Clips. IF ANYBODY HAD BEEN WATCHING, THIS STOPPED WHEN WE GOT CASSELL/BRAND. This is not a dysfunctional Front Office. We kept Billups. Ray Allen WANTED to be here but we chose Chauncey. BG re signed. Grant Hill chose us over LAL and I will bet $5,000 that if you gave D12 a choice he'd rather be a Clipper. Again - IF- and this is a bit of a fantasy, LAL got skunked in the 2nd round and we could dump DJ and salary, D12 and CP3 may take a pay cut to play together like LBJ et al. CP3 is going NO WHERE. Our next move is an athletic SF when Caron is gone. We survived Baron Davis and Elton Brand, two cancers. Like VDN or not he inherited a disease. BG missed a season and he had to deal with Baron who was on a mission destroy the franchise. WE got shafted into keeping DJ @ $10 mil. a bad decision but the BEST at the time. He had no training camp and lost his floor general but still managed to give a respectable showing. We were outclassed by Memphis but we beat then on pure guts. We were undersized and out toughed them. Position for position except CP3 they were our better. (Sorry ZBo was a monster) Cinderella with black eyes and bruised knuckles? When we played the Spurs CP had a groin strain, BG's knee ws porked, Butler had a broken thunb and shouldn't have been playing and Mo' was injured. I think Foye was too. Marv Albert remarked how beat up we were. Did we get Whupped by Pop - yes but we always do. LAL got lucky with D12....

Dwight Brokeback Coward is nothing, he has proved nothing since being the 1st pick 8 years ago in 2004 except win DPOY. He's also a very immature guy and I don't think he has the heart of a Champion.

He has heart all right, he wanted to win a ring, man after so many years with the magic they did nothing to help him!

^ CP3BEST you the man but I disagree with you on this one big time. Magic did EVERYTHING for him, they signed great players and their roster was very deep. Rashard Lewis, Turkoglu, Jameer, Gortat, Redick, Barnes etc..

so you play the game, thus that gives you more knowledge than me? i didn't know that.. Your boy Clipper Darrell? 99% of the people that post here are truer fans than your boy Clipper Darrell.. Its nice you compare yourself to fake fans..

I would tell you id get my facts straight but you have stated nothing but your opinion here yet you think its some sort of fact? please enlighten me some more.. Dwight has a pinch edge over DJ? really? maybe based on the amount of money they recieve but there games are light years apart.. CP3 dominating Steve Nash had no effect on us getting whooped by the Suns during the regular season. They had our number whats your point? so what if Steve doesn't play defense, our team had no idea what defense was all of last season..

No way are we the top seed in the West.. please bring forth facts not your optimistic opinions..

Sorry, what? Proven nothing? He made a bunch of decent teams into contenders. He carried that team on his back to the finals just 3 years ago. The man is one of the best(if not the best) rebounders in the league year in and year out, and is the best defensive player in the league. He's the best big man in the league. When you consider how dominant he is defensively and how underrated his awesome offensive game is, he is arguably the 2nd best player in the league. Does he have attitude problems? Maybe, but I think(much like we say with Odom) now that he's in a good situation without all the media hoopla and whatnot he'll be fine. Does he have health problems? Maybe, we don't know how his back will heal. But when healthy, he's one of the best players in the league. To say he hasn't proven anything is ridiculous--he's taken a team to the finals. Chris Paul has never gotten past the second round, so if Howard hasn't proven anything, Paul's a serious scrub.

^ Yeah, he has proven nothing to me, but maybe to you he has. Did you really just say ''He made a bunch of decent teams into contenders'' LOL. Do you even remember his former teammates? The Magic were deep because of their amazing 3 point shooting and their roster was filled with solid players. Their bench was deep too, they had Gortat as their back up big. I'm not saying Dwight didn't do anything, but he didn't do much.

^Didn't do much? Yes, he had some good players around him--but as far as supporting casts for contending teams go, they were average at best. Look at the other teams that came out of the East during Howard's tenure in Orlando--the only team with less talent around their supporting cast was probably the '07 Cavs, and that's because LeBron went nuts. The '05 Pistons were a strange team, so they're hard to really analyze. But the '06 Heat had more talent, Celtics of '08 and '10 had more talent, the '11 and '12 Heat definitely had more talent. Lewis, Turkoglu and Nelson were solid for sure, but nowhere near the supporting casts the other Eastern Conference champs had in those other years. Even after Lewis, Nelson and Turkoglu tailed off and then they moved on to washed up Vince and Arenas, Howard still kept those teams afloat. The Magic consistently rated near the top of the league defensively despite having mostly subpar defenders around Howard. So I'd say taking a team to the finals(and not a supremely talented team at that), making your team elite defensively, and keeping your team in contention despite a decline in surrounding talent counts as Howard doing something. The Magic were 33-21 when Howard played, 4-8 when he didn't. By the way, let's see how the Magic look this year without Mr. Noncontributor

Tell that to the entire NBA league, the basketball fanbase, and the Lakers fanbase. All they will say is "Clippers are losers" and "They don't deserve to live." Even if Sterling is attempting to change for the better, the overall population will refuse to believe the Clippers themselves have changed. In their eyes, the Clippers are still the quintessential Cinderella team. But with Chris Paul's grit and demeanor, and the lucky charm of Chauncey Billups, the Clippers developed an understanding of being the underdog. If all goes according to plan, the dark horse title that the Memphis Grizzlies once held could be passed on to them.

I think if the clippers reach WCF all this talk will be thrown out the window! Clippers got the same place as the lakers and lakers just kill, like kill the clippers, F*** YOU!

I might be in the majority here but I think D. How will not make the Lakers much better, maybe slightly. Without Bynum's jumper and postgame, DW will only be useful on PNR, Alley-Oops, and shots under the basket. Teams don't have to stretch out now because they don't have to worry about covering Bynum's mid-range shot. This will make it easier for teams to play defense against the Lakers because now you can play everyone one on one if you have the right personnel. If you have a team sound enough on defense to play good man to man defense and rotate effectively, the lakers can be stopped. Dwight Howard will definitely bring defense and rebounds to the Lakers but they lost a little bit of offense with the trade so I think that offsets.

As far as where we will end up this season, somewhere in the top 4 again. That's if BG develops a jumper and post game, DJ develops a go to move and becomes a defensive anchor, and everyone does what they suppose to do consistently.

Bottom line Dwight is the best center in the league, because of what he's done past seasons. Now let's see how he does coming off a major back injury, something that he has never dealt with in his career. Flakers bought a broken center, great, is he going to be the same player after he comes back, I highly doubt it. Who are they going to use while he's out? Jordan Hill? Yeah, great, we'll eat him alive.

it's widely known that blake struggles against length. dwight has length.

but dwight wont be playing any time soon so there's that. there's also the idea that blake turns into blake 2.0 this offseason and the addition of a more post moves makes the "he struggles against length" comment a thing of the past.

Pau.

lol if you think Howard's 3 DPOY awards and leading a team to the Finals means he hasn't proved anything, then you must think Chris Paul who has only been past the 1st round once and won just the ROY award is a straight BUM!!!

Putting us at a number one seed is wrong. We're third with OKC and the Spurs ahead of us. I'm a die hard fan and will be a die hard fan till I take my last breathe but to throw us up to the number one seed disrespects two of the greatest teams in the west. We can take OKC, we proved that but let's face facts we got swept by the Spurs. Therefore there's no way we get thrown before them at this point in time. Now if we dominate them when we play them then we can get thrown up there in the 1st/2nd seed. But for now we'll rest at the 3rd seed which isn't bad at all.

I doubt it, no other Laker can somewhat handle Blake. They need to keep Pau on Blake or it's going to be a long night for them.

In the "paper game" we're 4th in the "experts" eyes. We'll see how that changes when we get on the court.

He play C and guard Blake on defense most likely.

I seriously doubt it. Howard is not playing Blake out by the key (PnR). I doubt Potatohead is going to want to play Howard that way.

Yeah these "experts" have their heads up their a**es. #200

He's talking about Gasol

This was in response to while Howard was out question and who plays C.

Says the Clipper fan.

^Where would you put the Clippers at this point in time?

On paper....4th.

Hmm I see, I'm assuming that you're putting Lakers 3rd?

Actually I have them 2nd.....on paper.

Alright, well paper is great but I can't wait till the season starts to see how everything is going to play out

Agree 100%.