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I have taken care of patients in the parking lot, had ICU patients in the ER and a the wait time can be 4 hours and once was 8.pre COVID People forget that primary care clinics are closing so chronically ill patients get sicker end up in the ER. A high risk pregnancy. She could deliver in the car and she and the baby could die. Diabetics where blood sugar monitoring is impossible. They will die ETC. Heart attack season is January. If you have a heart attack or bleeding ulcer you could die.Even if you don't believe in COVID think of this.

Even if you live in BH,. L A County Hospital will be unable to treat all their patients so ICU patients will be sent to Cedars. If you have let's say 10 people to staff a ward then 1 gets sick. Then 9 have to the work of 10 then 9 have to do the wok of 8 and the system will break.

STAY HOME OR IF NOT WEAR A MASK..Follow guide lines. Don't let this holiday season be your last.

It's been 8 months and people still think this COVID is just like a flu, Healthcare worker are already tired, my son work in Public health and even it it's Saturday and Sunday they are visiting places doing a COVID testing.

Our health care system is a month from breaking down altogether. After the Thanksgiving spike I pray we can handle it. The spike caused by selfish people. Health care workers have something called "burn out". You see one too many dead people and your spirit breaks and you can't work anymore. Some might just sit in a corner and cry. It's like PTSD. It will start to happen SOON.

Some hospitals have" triage"policies. Fortunately they haven't used then yet. The old and chronically ill are put in a room, given a lot of morphine then you let them die.If they have to watch people die they'll crack REAL FAST.You have no clue. Then in one week the whole thing WILL collapse. I gave you the sugar coated version. Your stomachs are not ready for the worst case scenario.

They are begging for the public to take precautionary measures. Maybe if you do you will save a life.

Learn first aid, find telemedicine, get a thermometer. Read up on the flu.If you have any respiratory illness at all including a cold, isolate. If you have something like diabetes, make sure you are prepared and educated.

Guys if we don't all pull together there will be no basketball.

COVID is a multisystem illness. If not for regeneron Trump probably would have ended up on a ventilator. Herman Cain died and Ben Carson was seriously ill. Chris Christy was in ICU.

Going to get worse around Christmas and a boom for New Years. People refuse to listen

Give it a break. We get it. You are scared to death. That’s your right.

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Wait after Thanksgiving (today) and it will increase again. And after Christmas and new year.

People don't listen because it's all lies.

Herman Cain and 263k could not be reached for comment.

I might think it's my "god-given" right to run red lights -- because no government is gonna tell ME what to do.

Trouble is... by running red lights, I'm not just gambling with my OWN life.

Same applies with wearing a mask. Period.

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When I was working my way through college as a short order cook, I ignored health codes because... you know... I have my rights.

It was recently found that COVID lowers testosterone levels.even in asymptomatic men. In one study 65% of ASYMPTOMATIC men had decreased libido or loss.altogether. Even if you don't care about your lungs don't you care about your d**k?

So called fact checkers have been having their asses handed to them recently. They fall right in line with the lies and corruption perpetrated by the main stream media. Stay far away from the Bill Gates and Moderna vaccine. Covid is an overhyped lie.

clippyclip wrote:
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You probably we’re on the edge of your seat throughout the Russian spy garbage. Choose to believe what you want. Many things in there are to be seriously considered. She is not an unnamed source.

bballman wrote:
People don't listen because it's all lies.

A hoax = a lie = covid says Trump. Then he got covid and said covid is a gift from God. Which was a lie? If anybody says that the truth and a lie are the same thing they understand quantum physics. If anybody says "Everything I say is false" they are a logician .When somebody says that a statement is a meaningless paradox he understands Greek philosophy. A religious Greek logician who knows quantum physics. That's why he is a "stable genius"

Most important. if Covid is a lie then. lies are a blessing from God so the more he lies the closer to heaven he gets and the closer to hell will be those who believe him. Interesting considering he hates Trumpies (fake news references on request)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54455040

toohipcliptoslip wrote:
A hoax = a lie = covid says Trump. Then he got covid and said covid is a gift from God. Which was a lie? If anybody says that the truth and a lie are the same thing they understand quantum physics. If anybody says "Everything I say is false" they are a logician .When somebody says that a statement is a meaningless paradox he understands Greek philosophy. A religious Greek logician who knows quantum physics. That's why he is a "stable genius"

Most important. if Covid is a lie then. lies are a blessing from God so the more he lies the closer to heaven he gets and the closer to hell will be those who believe him. Interesting considering he hates Trumpies (fake news references on request)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54455040

COVID is real, just like the flu is real. The numbers that have been reported are lies. That's all I have to say about the matter.

Dirtydunks wrote:
So called fact checkers have been having their asses handed to them recently. They fall right in line with the lies and corruption perpetrated by the main stream media. Stay far away from the Bill Gates and Moderna vaccine. Covid is an overhyped lie.

Better than the ones you listened to. Remember how you basically cut a commercial for hydroxychloroquine? You bought all the lies You were conned. I tried to tell you long ago it was snake oil....For covid. Not for it's intended purpose.

clipper*joe wrote:
Better than the ones you listened to. Remember how you basically cut a commercial for hydroxychloroquine? You bought all the lies You were conned. I tried to tell you long ago it was snake oil....For covid. Not for it's intended purpose.
In the meantime it’s being used to save tens of thousands of lives all over the world. Don’t be so proud of your ignorance.

Dirtydunks wrote:
In the meantime it’s being used to save tens of thousands of lives all over the world. Don’t be so proud of your ignorance.

read the very last comment spanky.

I tried to tell you long ago it was snake oil....For covid. Not for it's intended purpose.

translation- "hydroxychloroquine is snake oil for Covid-19 but it works for autoimmune diseases and is used to treat malaria". So I even say it works for it's intended purposes. Unless I'm mistaken, you think it works for covid? Seriously?

Infortunately, this is the age of misinformation. Anyone can post a video on social media and claim anything they want. The key to illness and effective treatments should be taken from the medical experts.

Man I still can't come to grips with how some people still think COVID is some sort of lie. I've heard nurses and doctors say that there are some patients on their death beds that instead spending their final moments saying goodbyes to their loved ones, they rant about how is it possible this has happened to them. It's very sad. The disinformation won out in those cases. SMH.

In this era of Trump, where a president can live in his own reality and somehow succeed with it, others think they can join him in that reality... or lack of reality.

BTW assume there is no COVID. Why did Trump go to the hospital? So he can wear one of those cute gowns with his fat as* hanging out and most importantly the nurses can empty urinals on him.

BTW Trump almost died Look at his breathing pattern. He was circling the drain, ready to cool (drop to room temperature), crumping, checking out, bought the farm

david wrote:
Man I still can't come to grips with how some people still think COVID is some sort of lie. I've heard nurses and doctors say that there are some patients on their death beds that instead spending their final moments saying goodbyes to their loved ones, they rant about how is it possible this has happened to them. It's very sad. The disinformation won out in those cases. SMH.

A friend took care of a COVID denier. He ranted and ranted that COVID is a hoax , the flu. He shut up only when the put a tube down his throat and put him on a vent. .

Here’s an idea!

How about instead of trying to scare people for almost a year now, we start telling people to take zinc, vitamin d, and vitamin c?

Instead of mandating masks that obviously don’t work, we start recommending 30 minutes of exercise a day?

Instead of locking down again, we start waking up?

We are all essential.

The only way to defeat the Chinese virus is to stop fearing it. A lot of people are ready to start getting back to normal. Those of you that needed a vaccine, it’s here in record time thanks to President Trump. Those of you that are so scared and think even a vaccine won’t save you, please stay locked down with your mask on forever. No one is stopping you. Just don’t try to ruin the rest of our lives.

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jtwinnaz wrote:
Here’s an idea!

How about instead of trying to scare people for almost a year now, we start telling people to take zinc, vitamin d, and vitamin c?

Instead of mandating masks that obviously don’t work, we start recommending 30 minutes of exercise a day?

Instead of locking down again, we start waking up?

We are all essential.

The only way to defeat the Chinese virus is to stop fearing it. A lot of people are ready to start getting back to normal. Those of you that needed a vaccine, it’s here in record time thanks to President Trump. Those of you that are so scared and think even a vaccine won’t save you, please stay locked down with your mask on forever. No one is stopping you. Just don’t try to ruin the rest of our lives.

I think that’s what kinda annoyed me about the response and you nailed it spot on. The doctors and leaders should have advised the nation to start living a healthy lifestyle to improve their immune system. Sadly, 8 months later with many Americans working from home with all the time in the world, they managed to get in worse shapes than ever before,

jtwinnaz wrote:
Here’s an idea!

How about instead of trying to scare people for almost a year now, we start telling people to take zinc, vitamin d, and vitamin c?

Instead of mandating masks that obviously don’t work, we start recommending 30 minutes of exercise a day?

Instead of locking down again, we start waking up?

We are all essential.

The only way to defeat the Chinese virus is to stop fearing it. A lot of people are ready to start getting back to normal. Those of you that needed a vaccine, it’s here in record time thanks to President Trump. Those of you that are so scared and think even a vaccine won’t save you, please stay locked down with your mask on forever. No one is stopping you. Just don’t try to ruin the rest of our lives.

You keep doing you, homie. Your reality dies Jan 20th. What's funny is that both you and Dirty dunks were on the same page until today. You call it a hoax and he calls it a genocide. You guys need to get your conspiracies in order.

By the way, Diaper Donald didn't do crap. He hasn't been to a covid meeting in 6 months.so to say it was Trump who gave us the vaccines is laughable. If it was up to him, he would have issued 2 oz bottle of bleach along with a narrow UV flashlight to shove up your arse.

So glad he got his clock cleaned. Damn imbecile couldn't even rig an election right. Trying to slow down USPS didn't work. lol

Can we put this damn thread in the "Everything Else" section of our threads, that have NOTHING to do with Clippers news? Our world is so polarized now, and basketball is one of the things that is supposed to bring us together.

The LAST thing I want is to come to this forum and see people fighting over how Trump is killing people or how COVID is a hoax, because the reality, as always, is more complex than this. Put this thread in the "Everything Else" section where it belongs.

Everything I hear all day is Fox and MSNBC fighting over this. Last thing I want is to come to this forum, where I come to escape such talk to hear more BS. I just want some pure Basketball talk.

jarca wrote:
I think that’s what kinda annoyed me about the response and you nailed it spot on. The doctors and leaders should have advised the nation to start living a healthy lifestyle to improve their immune system. Sadly, 8 months later with many Americans working from home with all the time in the world, they managed to get in worse shapes than ever before,

Seriously? You need a doctor to tell you how to take care of yourself? Our leader told us to go out there and keep the economy going. He made it easier for companies to bring back workers without liability for covid infections. There was NEVER a FEDERAL RESPONSE to the pandemic. That was their biggest problem and people just can't accept that simple fact. Trump and Kushner let it happen because Kushner felt it was only happening in Dem states.He felt it would help them in the election.

If you feel your weight gain was caused by someone or something other than yourself, that's on you. Where is personal responsibility?

clipper*joe wrote:
Seriously? You need a doctor to tell you how to take care of yourself? Our leader told us to go out there and keep the economy going. He made it easier for companies to bring back workers without liability for covid infections. There was NEVER a FEDERAL RESPONSE to the pandemic. That was their biggest problem and people just can't accept that simple fact. Trump and Kushner let it happen because Kushner felt it was only happening in Dem states.He felt it would help them in the election.

If you feel your weight gain was caused by someone or something other than yourself, that's on you. Where is personal responsibility?

No I don’t need a doctor to tell me that lol... in my opinion it would have been a great opportunity to educate the public about the benefits of eating healthy and exercising daily. I think I read it a while back that the virus is less deadly in countries where there isn’t a high % of obesity. I agree with you with everything else.

jarca wrote:
No I don’t need a doctor to tell me that lol... in my opinion it would have been a great opportunity to educate the public about the benefits of eating healthy and exercising daily. I think I read it a while back that the virus is less deadly in countries where there isn’t a high % of obesity. I agree with you with everything else.

ACA (affordable care act) does that. It's called "preventative care". Every time I go see my doctor, she tries to get me to stop smoking. I always tell her when I ready, I'll let her know. She always replies back by saying she will keep telling me that till I'm ready. lol

My point is that most doctors will tell you what you don't want to hear. My decision to keep smoking is my responsibility and if I happen to suffer at a later stage in life as a result, I know I was well versed on the effects of smoking. In other words, my decision was made against the wishes of my doctor. My choice, my consequences. I guess I was a little surprised by your response. I wasn't coming at you aggressively, I was more surprised by your response. I didn't see that coming from you.

Great, practical, idea for fighting Covid. Let's all get healthy and get past all those pre existing conditions.

Any president would have thrown money at the pharmaceutical companies to speed up a vaccine. It's been done all over the world so Trump gets no credit. What he failed miserably at was marshalling a strong, unified, federal response that would have saved tens of thousands of lives.

clipper*joe wrote:
ACA (affordable care act) does that. It's called "preventative care". Every time I go see my doctor, she tries to get me to stop smoking. I always tell her when I ready, I'll let her know. She always replies back by saying she will keep telling me that till I'm ready. lol

My point is that most doctors will tell you what you don't want to hear. My decision to keep smoking is my responsibility and if I happen to suffer at a later stage in life as a result, I know I was well versed on the effects of smoking. In other words, my decision was made against the wishes of my doctor. My choice, my consequences. I guess I was a little surprised by your response. I wasn't coming at you aggressively, I was more surprised by your response. I didn't see that coming from you.

You clearly don’t understand my point. You are saying your doctor recommends you stop smoking. She doesn’t force you to do anything. You know the risks and you can make your own choices. That’s is the point! We are all capable of taking care of ourselves. We don’t need doctors and politicians telling us how to we have to live our lives.

It's a pandemic. We are losing Americans at a rate 5 times WWII. It takes all of us on the same page to fight this war as it did that one. No opting out. Everyone has to fight, or ration or serve in some way.

It's not like being told by a doc quitting smoking is in your best interest and then you can do what you want. Smoking is now banned in public places because sometimes your right to ruin your lungs also harms mine. Therefore that right has limitations.

Your so called right to coronavirus to your heart's content affects more than just you. Why is that so hard for some to understand?

SamMays wrote:
Great, practical, idea for fighting Covid. Let's all get healthy and get past all those pre existing conditions.

Any president would have thrown money at the pharmaceutical companies to speed up a vaccine. It's been done all over the world so Trump gets no credit. What he failed miserably at was marshalling a strong, unified, federal response that would have saved tens of thousands of lives.

Have you tried looking at the numbers of people that have died strictly from the Chinese virus with no preexisting conditions? Stop letting fear control you. The only simple minded ones are the ones the believe the lies of the media and big tech. Let me guess, you guys think Epstein killed himself.

And Trump’s ‘xenophobic’ China ban saved millions of lives. If it was Hillary or Biden in charge, who know how many more would be dead. They were saying over 2000000 Americans would die. Keep blaming the virus on Trump. Shows how simple minded you are. The virus comes from China. Start blaming the source, not the guy trying to put an end to it.

It's a pandemic. We are losing Americans at a rate 5 times WWII. It takes all of us on the same page to fight this war as it did that one. No opting out. Everyone has to fight, or ration or serve in some way.

It's not like being told by a doc quitting smoking is in your best interest and then you can do what you want. Smoking is now banned in public places because sometimes your right to ruin your lungs also harms mine. Therefore that right has limitations.

Your so called right to coronavirus to your heart's content affects more than just you. Why is that so hard for some to understand?

All of our rights have limitations where the public good may be at risk. Otherwise let's let blind people drive, let all skip the draft in times of war or scream fire in a crowded theater.

clipper*joe wrote:

People shouldn’t die alone. Let their families see them. My elderly mom with pre conditions had COVID. She was sick for two weeks. My dad didn’t want her to be alone so he stayed with her and took care of her. They slept in the same bed and everything. He got tested and tested positive. He had no symptoms so he took another test that came back negative 2 days later while he was still taking care of her. He did not get the virus and she is better now. It is not as deadly as we thought it would be at the beginning. Over 99% survival rate. You guys need to wake up. Stop letting the media and big tech control your lives with fear.

SamMays wrote:
It's a pandemic. We are losing Americans at a rate 5 times WWII. It takes all of us on the same page to fight this war as it did that one. No opting out. Everyone has to fight, or ration or serve in some way.

It's not like being told by a doc quitting smoking is in your best interest and then you can do what you want. Smoking is now banned in public places because sometimes your right to ruin your lungs also harms mine. Therefore that right has limitations.

Your so called right to coronavirus to your heart's content affects more than just you. Why is that so hard for some to understand?

Yea let’s all stop having sex because of aids. We have to stop the spread until there are zero cases.

jtwinnaz wrote:
Have you tried looking at the numbers of people that have died strictly from the Chinese virus with no preexisting conditions? Stop letting fear control you. The only simple minded ones are the ones the believe the lies of the media and big tech. Let me guess, you guys think Epstein killed himself.

And Trump’s ‘xenophobic’ China ban saved millions of lives. If it was Hillary or Biden in charge, who know how many more would be dead. They were saying over 2000000 Americans would die. Keep blaming the virus on Trump. Shows how simple minded you are. The virus comes from China. Start blaming the source, not the guy trying to put an end to it.

Fear doesn't control me. Reality does. Trump's China ban did not save millions of lives. The ban had huge holes in it ( thousands still came in from China) and the virus was already coming in from Europe anyway. Once here, it grew and continues to grow, making the China ban even less utile. I am not a Trump supporter. I don't know if Epstein killed himself or not and neither do you. You just think you do because part of being a Trump supporter means believing the conspiracy theory or Trump lie de jour.

The election was a fraud. I have a plan to destroy ISIS in 30 days. Mexico will pay for the wall and on and on it goes.

And it ain't the China Virus, buddy. It's here now and has been for some time. It belongs to all of us. What I know for certain, if Trump weren't as incompetent and uncaring as he is, we would all be a lot better off.

jtwinnaz wrote:
You clearly don’t understand my point. You are saying your doctor recommends you stop smoking. She doesn’t force you to do anything. You know the risks and you can make your own choices. That’s is the point! We are all capable of taking care of ourselves. We don’t need doctors and politicians telling us how to we have to live our lives.

You simply cannot understand simple logic.

I don't smoke around anyone. I don't smoke in public. I don't put others in danger that don't smoke. My consequences don't endanger anyone. I make sure I don't put myself in a situation where I will make others annoyed by my second hand smoke. Remember that.

Wearing a mask on the other hand, is meant to protect OTHERS first. Frankly, I don't care if you wear your mask with your nose exposed. What I am worried about is what comes out of your mouth. You want inhale without a mask or with your nose exposed, be my guest. The mask is supposed to protect others first. When I wear it, I wear it with the intent that others will give me the same courtesy as I am giving them. Furthermore, businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone not following their rules. This isn't a "legal right" matter that you can walk into a private facility and impose "your rights" by refusing to wear a mask. No one is telling you to wear a mask. But if you want to patronize a business that is abiding with county and state mandates, you don';t have the rigth to go in without a mask. It's really simple. Don't make it harder on yourself.

jtwinnaz wrote:
Yea let’s all stop having sex because of aids. We have to stop the spread until there are zero cases.

How about we wear condoms and inform our sexual partners we have AIDS before sex so they can make an informed choice about whether screwing us is a good idea. You guys want to portray everything as a black and white choice because it casts things in easy terms and that's the only way your lame arguments make a lick of sense. Well, there is a lot of gray in life.

jtwinnaz wrote:
Yea let’s all stop having sex because of aids. We have to stop the spread until there are zero cases.

Wow, you're clueless. Medicine has come a long way since then, champ. While there is no cure, medicine has been able to control it. Hey, diabetes has no cure so outlaw all bad food. Oh wait, there are medications that can control it. My god,

By the way, did you forget that man created condoms? They're great for not only avoiding a pregnancy, but transmitting diseases. You know, for those times you meet some strange and just can't wait. Now if you have a wife or a partner you trust, I think you can have safe sex without a condom...But hey, lets ban sex because of aids. Hey, nice analogy there. Would you go have unprotected sex with a stranger? So then why would you not wear a mask in a pandemic, with a room full of strangers? In a market? During the flu season? It boggles the mind. You have a president who can't admit defeat and his followers can't admit a mask is just a temp precaution.

clipper*joe wrote:
You simply cannot understand simple logic.

I don't smoke around anyone. I don't smoke in public. I don't put others in danger that don't smoke. My consequences don't endanger anyone. I make sure I don't put myself in a situation where I will make others annoyed by my second hand smoke. Remember that.

Wearing a mask on the other hand, is meant to protect OTHERS first. Frankly, I don't care if you wear your mask with your nose exposed. What I am worried about is what comes out of your mouth. You want inhale without a mask or with your nose exposed, be my guest. The mask is supposed to protect others first. When I wear it, I wear it with the intent that others will give me the same courtesy as I am giving them. Furthermore, businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone not following their rules. This isn't a "legal right" matter that you can walk into a private facility and impose "your rights" by refusing to wear a mask. No one is telling you to wear a mask. But if you want to patronize a business that is abiding with county and state mandates, you don';t have the rigth to go in without a mask. It's really simple. Don't make it harder on yourself.

Again, you missed the point. If someone coughs they should cover it up. You should wash your hands anytime they may be dirty. If someone is sick, they should stay home. That has been common courtesy for generations.

Mask do not work.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/11/20/rachel-maddow-partner-susan-mikula-covid-19-zw-orig.cnn-business/video/playlists/business-media/

She literally says she is now not as scared as she used to be but then she tries to scare you again at the end. If the masks worked, how did her parter get China virus? Please explain.

We don't need mandates to be good people. And we especially don't need mandates from hypocrites that do not follow their same rules.

clipper*joe wrote:
Wow, you're clueless. Medicine has come a long way since then, champ. While there is no cure, medicine has been able to control it. Hey, diabetes has no cure so outlaw all bad food. Oh wait, there are medications that can control it. My god,

By the way, did you forget that man created condoms? They're great for not only avoiding a pregnancy, but transmitting diseases. You know, for those times you meet some strange and just can't wait. Now if you have a wife or a partner you trust, I think you can have safe sex without a condom...But hey, lets ban sex because of aids. Hey, nice analogy there. Would you go have unprotected sex with a stranger? So then why would you not wear a mask in a pandemic, with a room full of strangers? In a market? During the flu season? It boggles the mind. You have a president who can't admit defeat and his followers can't admit a mask is just a temp precaution.

Joe, you can't argue with a Trumper. They are just incapable of holding onto anything that is the least bit complex. And I mean, "the least bit."

SamMays wrote:
How about we wear condoms and inform our sexual partners we have AIDS before sex so they can make an informed choice about whether screwing us is a good idea. You guys want to portray everything as a black and white choice because it casts things in easy terms and that's the only way your lame arguments make a lick of sense. Well, there is a lot of gray in life.

Fauci was the same guy scaring people about h i v and aids. It wasn't as bad as he made it seem. Sound familiar?

If someone has aids, should they walk around with condom on 24/7? Condoms work better than masks. Maybe it's better if we all just stay home until aids are gone forever.

No one is saying sick people should go out and infect the public. No one is saying the virus is fake. You guys are making this black and white. The only one forcing sick people to get other people sick are the democrat leaders such as Andrew Cuomo when he sent infected people into the nursing homes.

Here is your local leader making sure you know who is boss.

https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1328932610169561090?s=20

After he got caught eating indoors with over 10 people including lobbyists, he goes and mandates a 10pm curfew on his people. Then he shuts down all outdoor dining as well as indoor dining for 3 weeks after struggling restaurants spent the last of their savings remodeling their businesses to try to survive this. But that wasn't good enough. Now he wants to shut down the whole county again for 3 weeks. You guys keep following his orders while he breaks all of his own rules himself. Wake up!

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