Edit: not letting me post link. It keeps doing wrong thing. Anyone mind helping find? Mad dog radio twitter has the 2 minute clip. Not full interview which would be even better.
Matt says Doc caused Clippers demise. Also says people hate Austin because he talks like a 10 game all star. Says Doc made a lot of empty promises and commuted nepotism.
Am I missing something here?
Did not see the edit... here's link:
The thread, and the interview is not really saying anything we don't know...
Nepotism.
CP3 didn't like it, our fans here (many of whom ironically hate CP3) don't like it, and Matty B and Reddik didn't like it - I am sure there are more (Paul Pierce even alluded to it in The Jump).
There's an old saying, "where there's smoke there's fire." It's a reference that small pieces of evidence can point to the truth. Ever since Austin got here some of us correctly pointed out that this would be a problem, yet the culture here ostracized such talk. We still see this with other topics as well where it is taboo to speak out against. Pretty soon the evidence will also reveal more about the reasons why this team dissolved the way it did. It won't matter though this culture will continue here where we censor criticism
I agree... Austin was the wrong move. Doc was wrong for doing that. Doc was wrong for not trading his son to bring in talent to help CP3 and the Clippers defeat the Warriors.
Ultimately, if Doc was not the right coach to lead the team (even with his son gone), then he should have been let go.
But this is all coulda, shoulda, woulda talk... Apparently a lot of fans, and sports members have already written our team off.
Will we ever recover? That is a discussion for another thread.
As it turns out, Doc was right in the sense that his son has substantial talent. Jr has been much aligned but is young and improving. He is a weapon and I have no problem with him on the roster.
Ultimately, if Doc was not the right coach to lead the team (even with his son gone), then he should have been let go.
But this is all coulda, shoulda, woulda talk... Apparently a lot of fans, and sports members have already written our team off.
Will we ever recover? That is a discussion for another thread. 
Matt Barnes was traded specifically because of an altercation/argument he had with Doc. We were never really able to replace everything Matt brought to our team, and we struggled mightily without him.
We can't dwell on the past, we can only learn from our mistakes and move forward. Matt & Pierce are retired, CP3 is happy with the Rockets, and we STILL have a great and competitive team. It wasn't the Clippers demise it was THOSE Clippers' demise. It's like shedding old skin, we're good.
Doc wasn't right. Even guys like Wes look good when given enough time on the floor. The reserves do even better when they get games where they start. You see guys like Harrell, and even Dekker settling down and actually playing better. What do guys do when when they get time due to injury and improve? They go out and get better contracts and leave Doc. Doc was not right. he just gave his son guaranteed playing time no matter how he played. If you give that to every player, they play more at ease....and usually better. How can you not have a puffed chest knowing your dad has your back?
In the end, one of them has to leave. I'd prefer Doc over Austin but if I had a choice, I'd keep Wallace, CJ, Milos, and Lou. I'd trade Austin once his dad is gone because we know, he will NOT trade his son. Whether we want to admit it or not, that is the only dark cloud hanging over this team. There are too many players, analysts, and news outlets saying the same thing about both Doc, and his son's character. Hell, the guys we have now, with no Austin, is a more exciting team to watch. The ball movement proves that.
Maybe I forgot but what was the altercation?
In the end, one of them has to leave. I'd prefer Doc over Austin but if I had a choice, I'd
keep Wallace, CJ, Milos, and Lou. I'd trade Austin once his dad is gone because we
know, he will NOT trade his son. Whether we want to admit it or not, that is the only
dark cloud hanging over this team. There are too many players, analysts, and news
outlets saying the same thing about both Doc, and his son's character. Hell, the
guys we have now, with no Austin, is a more exciting team to watch. The ball movement
proves that.
Nobody was truly mad at the Clippers for getting Austin but when he was allowed to play through his mistakes when other players were yanked out of the game with a quickness and lineups were altered just so he could run the point that's when the nepotism radar started to sound off. Austin has come a long way he's just lucky his pops gave him that leeway to improve. He could've been G League status or overseas had he been on another team.
But the biggest problem CP3 and company should have is Doc's GM duties which ultimately failed the team and Doc's coaching. He never put anything around the core. Couldn't draft well, couldn't develop, couldn't acquire quality free agents, and couldn't make a decent trade to save his life. I really thought Vinny The Black should've gotten another year after winning 56 games plus he was a better team builder. That's all in hindsight of course but CP3 wanted Doc or he was bolting so here we are
Whatever, take a seat Matty B and join Big Baby, Dudley, JJ, CP3 and soon DJ.
All former Clippers who failed when we needed them most while the coaches son played with 11 stitches and tried to get the win.
With Austin Doc wasn't right, he was lucky.
For people who supported Austin it was more hope than anything else. I hoped that my Dear Departed Dog would stop peeing on the house plants when everybody was done. Unfortunately every time I returned home the smell of urine wafted through the house. Did it smell of urine when AR was on the floor? What people see is Austin's evolution. He has turned sh*t into Shinola. His faults are now fixable if he so chooses and he would be near all star material.. Doc should have NEVER been allowed to hire Austin GM or not. If I were the owner it would be a neigh. Yes CTB were mad. Hiring Austin was a recipe for disaster and nothing good could come of it. Appearance is fact and it appeared to be nepotist. Austin Rivers Triple Double, 10 pts, assisrts and 10 stitches. Nobody questions his toughness but the same attitude that makes you tough also gives you delusions of adequacy and you play selfishly. Doc should have seen it and benched him.
Doc couldn't have drafted well, we had no picks. FA's didn't want to come here because we had no $$. He couldn't put anything around the core. What he did was hire over the hill dinosaurs as a gamble instead of signing young players and gamble even if there weren't any good ones "On Paper".
As far as coaching, how many times did he put Pierce in when PP should have been sitting. He played small ball with Josh Smith when even dead people knew he was wrong. He later said that he was a bad coach. He admitted that he let CP run things. He continued to play 3 guard sets. Some announcer called Austin a SF.
Other than that and a bunch or other things he's fine.
This is technically not news, but you just don't expect players to outright say it. Glen Davis hinted at some of this, but he was also just really salty because of his whole injury management with the Clippers. Doc being a GM was always a problem. Due to Doc being the coach and GM, he made promises when signing players that he couldn't cash as the coach, we saw this with multiple players.
Barnes was liked as a teammate by the other guys, but Doc traded him because of conflict they had. Then there was Dudley who sucked but was playing injured and Doc traded him and seemingly didn't acknowledge him playing unhealthy for the team.
Players notice this stuff, so of course it factors in to some perceptions. The good thing as I keep saying is that it isn't Doc's role anymore, so things are different.
Also Austin's irrational confidence, that is also not news, we all remember him saying he was better than the players in the Olympics, and this was back when he was not even as good as he is now. I would assume that Austin's behavior would rub some people the wrong way, but I didn't know how much it did, but maybe more players around the league are irritated by him than I imagined. He certainly isn't helped by the fact that his dad is coach. Still, Barnes just says it "probably" rubs people the wrong way, people could just be Ariza, though I don't think so. The only fact here is that, yes, Austin trash talks a lot and in general talks a lot and has an excessively overrated view of himself.
Austin was OK, but maybe the biggest problem was the way that Doc used him. Doc insisted on making him a play maker (like Doc was once upon a time). Austin does not have the skills to be the designated play maker. Austin is more of a sixth man type of player. He is an energy guy that can score by driving and play some D. He is not a great passer and never was. Even the new rookie has more assists per game than Austin does.
But, Austin was not the only player mistake. A lot of guys that were cut by Doc, or rode the bench, and are now decent players in the NBA. The list is long. I actually think that Doc can be a good coach for us. But, Austin has to go to clear the fog.
Get rid of Doc and Austin and bring in a young Brad Stevens type coach and I’d be a happy clipper fan.
But, Austin was not the only player mistake. A lot of guys that were cut by Doc, or rode the
bench, and are now decent players in the NBA. The list is long. I actually think that
Doc can be a good coach for us. But, Austin has to go to clear the fog.
For me, one of them should go, could be Austin or Doc, But if Balmer is just fine with his 20 million left for Doc contract then Austin can stay and Doc can go. I want to see how good is Austin under a new coach. He might just so good now because he doesn't hesitate to do his thing.
I meant recover to a threatening team... 50 plus win team... chance to deal damage in the playoffs team.
Well we are starting to recover pretty nicely right now with our PG back leading the offense and no Austin Rivers slowing down the ball movement.
I meant recover to a threatening team... 50 plus win team... chance to deal damage in the playoffs team.
