Blake Griffin Trade Rumors

This was started in another thread but it needs it's own

Where there's smoke there's fire? I don't want to dump him. I have a feeling Steve B could be sick of him. Who knows?

http://nvonews.com/nba-trade-rumors-los-angeles-clippers-blake-griffin-may-move-to-orlando-magic/

Maybe there's more behind the scene than we know. The statement that BG doesn't fit into our system is interesting. That statement may not be in this article but I read it today. For Carmelo? Never. Maybe they think that he won't be worth what he will want and will try to get two Corvettes for one Ferrari.

http://en.yibada.com/articles/104102/20160214/nba-trade-rumors-blake-griffin-philadelphia-76ers-la-clippers-discussions.htm

It's funny how there appears to be a notion how our best player is a "misfit" and doesn't fit in our team lol

He is THE team lol, you build around your superstar not trade them hahahaha I don't get this.

If clippers want to go small and shoot in this modern NBA who is a better big than Griffin and Davis right now? Athletic, can play defense, hit the mid range consistently, pop a 3 if Blake really wanted, can defend 3-5, hit free throws, catch lobs, and demands a double team in the post??? Really?

What is DJ offering us? He is NOT interchangeable as he can not even shoot a 10-15 footer and isn't a playmaker in anyway. DJ is so overrated it's a choke. And he gets hacked like crazy we have to hold our breath when he's at the line. Sure he's been slowly barely improving but at the end of the day, give me a less crazy athletic center and less of a shot blocker like a Lopez, Plumlee, Bogut and give me someone much more fundamental while we use a huge asset in DJ to build around Blake. Back to my point now if we were to trade DJ, we get a serviceable center with a decent jumper who has size for the interior and we get a great small forward on the wing so Blake can take advantage of him being double teamed and be more a shooting team that actually hits at a higher percentage of 3s more CONSISTENTLY.

Boston could definitely use a potential all star athletic big man...

Give us crowder, Johnson, and Olynyk and we can also give them another player to make salaries match.

I like the idea of this trade with Orlando Magic better than Camello. Let's face it Doc is under pressure to produce something this season. He's coming into his 4th season and we haven't made it to conference finals. CP3 is getter older and slower and is deserving of a championship. We cannot predict what's going to happen next year? The time is now to win and for Doc to make some tough decisions. When BG returns we don't know what type of player he will be if the injury to his hand affects his shooting which may require longer time rehabbing and his stroke returning. I just don't like the idea that Doc will be negotiating a trade of BG

I would rather trade DJ instead of Blake, Doc should bring the old Griffin, the one who run and dunk rather than jump shooter, we need a center like M Gasol. Blake will become a beast once he come back, because he knows that if we started losing people will say he doesn't fit to our system. He should adjust his game as well to fit this winning formula.

Talk about overrated, that's a crown that the 31+ year old one dimensional Carmelo fits very well on. Next.

It fits better on DJ. Believe me, DJ is far more overrated.

Carmelo actually has TALENT. DJ is just effort and genetics. Huge difference.

Name a team that Carmelo has played on that has had better prime talent compared to Blake and Paul....? I'll wait.

Only team Melo has played for has been the Nuggets besides the Knicks and the Knicks were always short of talented and kept going through coaching changes.

Melo is one of the most versatile and explosive scorers in NBA history. Shocked to see you compare him to DJ.

Ok, new info from the trade front.

Apparently some Clipper's inside sources are saying (via Stephen A Smith) that Clippers are actively trying to rid themselves of Griffin before Thursday's trade deadline.

Here is the link;

http://www.inquisitr.com/2795389/nba-trade-rumors-a-blake-griffin-trade-could-happen-after-all-report-claims-clippers-are-trying-to-get-rid-of-him/

Apparently Ballmer was dead serious when he talked about consequences of the mounting incidents of choking at a club, humiliating training staff employee by pushing his head towards Griffin's crotch on national TV and now braking his hand by attacking a midget compared to Griffin's giant size and strength. It really does not give a good image especially as Griffin seems to punch, choke humiliate midgets compared to him, whereas when punked by men of his own size like Zach Randolph, Serge Ibaka, Bogut, Green, Dwight etc., he does nothing. Something does not add up here and our Golden boy (in a good sense, not a mockery) seems to have lost all his luster.

And I don't understand why suddenly so much DJ hate and trade proposals in these threads, whereas the topics are Griffin's debacle and the consequences whereof and a potential trade. Does it give some kind of consolation to pile on DJ if your favorite player (Griffin) turns out to be a punk and a wussy (does not hit the men of his own size but rather lets them punk him) DJ does not go around and punch and choke people. In many ways he is more valuable to the team than Griffin. Last two years, other than PER (which is influenced heavily by scoring, even if inefficient), all advanced stats have shown that DJ is more valuable to the team than Griffin and especially on the defensive end. If DJ was injured and we had Blake, I'm quite certain that we would had not won so many games.

Not according to the advanced stat numbers, which I know you will dismiss because you hate stats, except for the "one of the explosive scorers in NBA history" stat, lol.

So this will end up being just a one way street discussion leading to a dead end results. Again overrated and not worth the $. Plus he's going to be 32 very soon (on the downside of his career) and he'll aged like spoiled milk. We can do better on the trade front then that.

I do dislike stats you know why?

Because it makes NBA fans like you to actually believe DJ is better than Melo. There is no discussion if that's your assessment.

Melo shouldered an entire team on his back couple years back in the playoffs. DJ is only defense. He is a one trick pony. What discussion is there? His "stats" like his field goal percentage is a Total crock of sh*t because all he does is dunk and catch lobs. How do you like stats then? How misleading is that high of a field goal percentage? Much higher than Duncan's and Shaqs in a season of their careers so can "stats" always give you the truth? Please this goes to everyone lets all try to watch more basketball and use our own judgment instead of always referring to stats. Stats also are formed through circumstances that are not represented on the stat sheet.

Break down scoring possessions when the player creates his own shot if you want to get advanced. DJ will probably rank last in the league lol. Melo just won scoring title not that long ago while DJ can't even win DPOY if you want to talk stats.

I don't think Blake Griffin is going to get traded- at least I hope not. Carmelo Anthony? Errrrrr- please NO. His best years are behind him. If the Clippers decide to trade BG, it'd better be for lotto picks plus a young All Star. The team likely won't win the championship anyways with Blake this season, so might as well plan for the future as well and stock up on assets for a change.

You only believe what you want or what fits your narrative. You have absolutely nothing to back up your assertions. That's why YOU hate stats. You say it's true because that's what you "see".

Again good luck in having a thoughtful and meaningful discussion with that attitude. More to stats then just dunks and lobs, but I'm afraid it just won't better to you.

Oh and it's more then just NBA fans that believe and take notice of all the numbers, it's the Most if not all the NBA teams too with their advanced stats departments. You maybe one the few on that barren island who only believe what they want to see.

No, I will hear you out.

Let's just not use stats. What does DJ do offensively at all?

Sure he gives us rim protection and rebounding but what else?

What does he really do that's worth 20+ million dollars?

And please remember DJ even gets the lobs that he does and wide open dunks under the rim because he's playing with the BEST playmaking PG in the game.

Put him on Sixers what he gonna do? Put him on the Brooklyn Nets what can he do?

He can only play the 5 because he can't shoot, he has no offensive Arsenal, and he can't guard the 3 like Blake, and he can't shoot free throws.

We need multi dimensional players. Those who can playmake, score, and defend. Looks like DJ can only do 1 of those and its defend. And get blocks, oh yeah. But not even as good as whiteside!!!! DJ is not even the best at what he does!!!! Whiteside can get you up to 10 blocks. Sh*t we never see DJ do.

You're really taking liberty here with no facts. When did Ballmer say anything about the choking incident? Humiliating training staff by pushing heads in his crotch? And when was testi classified as a "midget"? That is just you talking, not Ballmer. You're trying to connect dots that aren't there. The only thing Ballmer has ever made mention of, is the last incident. Furthermore, Ballmer was serious about consequences which is why he gave BG a 4 game suspension with a 5th game salary going to charity. So while you are are crying about "hate" for DJ, you sure do look like a hypocrite when your view of BG is far more vile than anything I've read on here. It's easy to call someone a wuss or a punk sitting comfortably behind a screen with your full anonymity.

If I am trading with the Magic I want 3 players and a # 1 for Blake. Blake is one of the top 10 players in the league.I would not want Harris I would insist on Aaron Gordon. In addition I would want Oladipo and Napier, Would also insist on a Lance fro Frye deal to be included, New lineup: CP JJ DJ Aaron Gordon Paul Pierce. 2nd unit Luc(Wes) Austin Jamal Frye and Napier. I think Napier can develop into a nice back up PG and Gordon is an athletic freak who is only 20. He has tremendous upside.Oladipo ultimately replaces Jamal as our 6th man.

If Blake is traded I like this trade as a blueprint. It should include a starting 4 and a back up point guard and a back up shooting card to ultimately replace Crawford. Utah also has some intriguing talent. Alec Burks,Trey Burke and Favors .Detroit could create an interesting package with Marcus Morris,Jennings and Stanley Johnson. I like the idea but I hate like hell to trade Blake. But if we are going to do it this offseason is the time. This is close to his max value.

I didn't have the patience to write all that, and use enough brain power to bring all my thoughts together to elaborate on how I felt about what he wrote but I fully agree lol took the words out of brain literally hahah thank u

I only replied to his post because I found a double standard there. You can't call out anyone on hating ( saying trading DJ over BG is not hating) when you proceed to not only make stuff up, but actually uses hating words such as "punk", and "wuss". As far as I concerned, you forfeit your moral high ground.

Is this serious? We would get rid of Blake and STILL NOT have a real legitimate great all around SF? Why? Just why? lol

Without a doubt if we ever do get rid of Blake we better be getting a small forward who can shoot lights out, play great perimeter D, and be able to do everything on offense. Blake is that good. Aaron Gordon would not mesh in our starting line up. We apparently need more floor spacing like a stretch 4 which I think Blake could be if Doc had him play like that. Blake can definitely hit an open 3 especially if he knew he had to take that role he would work more on his shot.

Oladipio is great but it wouldn't make sense getting him just to put him on the bench.

Like I've said before, I rather look to trade DJ to Celtics for Crowder, Olynyk, and Johnson. A young well rounded center in Olynk who can shoot the damn ball like a beast, get boards, and his free throws, Crowder with his tenacious D to throw at Thompson and Curry and he can hit the 3 and run pretty well in transiton. And Johnson would be a solid back up big we would need.

Only player I trade blake for he their hell bent on trading him is either Paul george or Durant other than that I don't want anyone else. Melo is on his last leg and I rather. Get him as a third scorer than a primary, Kevin love may help spread the floor but his healthy and defense is horrible, Celtics prices are rebuilding pieces when we are trying to compete for a championship.

If you want a one for one then you are thinking KD,Carmelo, .The KD deal is easy. YES. Carmelo...No. Blake is worth more.

And I think we will be able to find a small forward in the offseason.

We need a quality big for Blake IMO or quantity like the Detroit deal.

My idea is quantity rather than equal talent. My goal is a trade not unlike the one Denver got for Carmelo.Lots of quality talent with upside.

ONLY KD interests me on a 1 for 1 deal.

And the nuggets went from a contending playoff team to absolute trash.

The Nuggets went to trash because they fired George Karl. They were really good with Lawson Faried Galo McGee Mosgov...Sevreal guys from the Melo deal.

Melo is a ball stopper not a George Karl type at all. It was a great deal for the Nuggs. Sure worked out for the Knicks. Haha...Carmelo is over rated IMO.... He is a slightly better version of Rudy Gay but injury prone.

While Doc is the coach getting a pick is useless, Doc don't like to develop a rookie.

This "Blake Griffin" trade is absolute crazy talk. It's as if the Clippers (Glen Rivers) is being pressured by the NBA to trade Blake. Idiots over at ESPN believe its better for the team to trade a guy who (is the biggest threat on the floor for the Clippers) has gotten better every season than to even consider trading a guy who (at least to me) can't even improve his free throw percentage.Sure, the Clippers have been playing well since Griffin went out, but I would love to see how we would fare in the month of March. Then we'll see if Glen is a "championship coach." Sure he did get COTY; but that has to be the Doc Rivers from Earth-16 (look what had to happen just for Lance -who is a proven player- to get minutes in a game to be effective) .If Blake Griffin gets traded you can delete this account because I will be done with Clipper Basketball. Sheesh.

Oh and Glen has no problems trying to develop Austin into a point guard.

Then all your hearing is subjective stuff being pull from areas where the sun doesn't shine, lol. That's like saying lets have a discussion on politics, history or whatever, but let's leave out any facts. Not for a very interesting discourse IMO.

I could show you a tool chest full of numbers/stats/data that refutes your opinion, but it seems like it would just end up wasting mine and your time.

Picks can be used as nice trade assets. But if the Clippers keep them he may play them if they are very good players.

BTW- added a poll- do you think the Clippers will trade Blake Griffin this season?

Add me too. This would do it for me.

And who is this Stephen A. Smith who says the Clippers are going to trade Blake? Sheesh. This seems like click bait material and it's disgusting.

While I don't agree with you on Carmelo, you do bring up some very good points about stats. I think you bring up some very valid points, which is the lack of context with stats. For years DJ was really touted for that high FG percentage, but as you correctly stated he rarely takes shots other than dunks and lobs. If those are your only ways of making points those percentages are going to be huge.

Also, his rebounding numbers are greatly influenced with the fact that Blake has essentially vacated much of the paint. Blake now positions himself further away in order to take mid-rage shots, so his opportunities for the rebound have diminished.

I am in a masters program at Cal State Fullerton, and we read, analyze and use stats all the time. The thing that all great researchers do is divulge any potential problems or concerns with their findings. For example, a researchers analysis of DJ's ability would be: DJ has the highest FG% in the league, but caution must be taken when making claims about DJ's abilities since the majority of his plays were off of dunks and lobs. When examining his shots from beyond XX feet it is found that he ranks XX in the league in field goal percentage..behind players like XX, XX, and XX. When controlling for distance from the rim we found that he ranks XX in the league, not first. This disclaimer lets you know that all things considered variables must be similar across test subjects or else numbers can be misleading.

Unfortunately, in forums we don't have this same level of honesty or accountability. Rather people post up a link to one of the popular stat sites and what is represented on a matrix is supposed to thwart everything. If the same criteria would be used in scientific research the findings would be quickly discredited.

Great job Airgriffin

don't see him moving. they need him

Hey Joe, long time no see. I'm sorry if I used inappropriate words. I was just mad at Blake for what he did. He is one of my favorite players but these incidents and his on court complaining personality are really starting to annoy me. And I would say it to his face that what he has done recently is a punk behavior ( not that he is a punk) and by complaining on the court and by letting other players to punk him has created this narrative that Blake is "soft" among the players. I called him "wuss" because he attacks "normal sized" people outside of basketball" but does not do anything when he is attacked on the court. I admit that here again it is a "wuss" behavior not that Blake is a wuss. That also I would say to his face. Although I'm only 6'1 200 pounds, I know a little how to defend myself and where to punch because of karate and kick boxing training I've done. But he would still probably knock me out by braking his left hand this time. haha I don't hate Blake and I'm sorry if it came out that way. I just think that right now DJ is more valuable to the team than Blake, durability and these incidents withstanding, plus a clear superiority for the last two years in advanced stats for DJ like win shares, win shares per 48 minutes, value over replacement player, real plus minuses -etc. One can't really ignore that. Moreover Blake is shooting around 50 per cent (!!!) of his shots from further than 16 feet now and connecting around 40 per cent of them. That means that Blake takes around 8-9 field goal attempts from there which is a little more than DJ is....

Good luck getting evidence from him. He makes outlandish claims without any proof then get mad hahaha

That's kinda dumb penalizing DJ for playing to his strength and dunking the ball. Instead of picking and rolling for a lay up he goes for the dunk. What's wrong with that? A lot of NBA players shoot from the same distance around the painted area and don't get the same result as DJ. Just look at Aldrich, Splitter, Bogut, Monroe, Drummond, not really perimeter player but they miss gimme trying to lay the ball in. Would you rather DJ do a finger role in like Aldrich and brick instead .

Wouldn't be the first time you leave, you left for Cleveland to follow Baron already so it won't really be shocking for you to follow Blake.

LA Clippers> any player

I agree for a KD-Blake swap the second one whicc is impossible is Lebron.

I hate to see Blake go, but it seems that this rumors is true, The way this team play, looks like they are looking a jump shooter in this team and Carmelo is the one that i suspected on their radar. But we are just fans, i will still watch every Clippers game, win or lose. Players just come and go, but the Clippers stay (except the old logo).

I hope he doesn't get traded. It would be ridiculous if they did. There isn't really anyone available out there of his caliber, unless you trade him for picks + young players with potential. Maybe players like Jabari/Giannis/Okafor/Wiggins/Towns etc. Which is a huge stretch. We're better off keeping him and trying to make it work.

I'd rather trade doc and bring in a coach who can build a system meant for CP and Blake to theive. Not docs old celtics formula.

Honestly if blake gets traded I think I'm done as well.

Blke Griffin will be traded. Blake, will not. lol

Agreed, Melo sucks period !!! Wouldn't want him if he was on waivers. All he does on offense is hog the ball, and his defense makes Jamal look like a lock down defender. He's not worth one of our ball boys !

Stephen A Smith has always been full of s**t. He's nothing but a gossiping little b**ch !

clippers would be better off trading Blake before thursday..

and if some of you guys are not fans of the clippers anymore...that is too bad!!!

we need a team that has a chance in the playoffs..current team has no chance to beat the state team...with blake or without.

Blake is a distraction, wines too much, shoots from the outside too much, does not get enough rebounds and does not slam anymore...

he is our most prized possession..and now is the time to move him..

if we wait till the summer time, it might cost us this years championship!!!

he might not come back ready to play in the playoffs, no guarantee..

If we trade him now...we get extra help for the playoffs..

hopefully some good players....ex..power forward, another small forward,a back up point guard and a first round pic or 2..

5 things we need...and would not have unless we trade him..

Name ONE team that's ever won a championship after making a major mid season trade? Your comments are too silly to waste time on.

Trading Blake would be the worst blunder in franchise history!! Unless it's for Paul George or Durant there is NO reason to trade him! If winslow actually showed that he could shoot then yeah maybe him and bosh would be nice except the fact that Bosh has the biggest contract in the league! Melo and Galloway I think would make us better since clips play very good with 3 perimeter players that can shoot well with cp& dj...and Melo would be the best option as a stretch 4 (minus durant) since he can hold it down on the boards and defend bigger guys a little bit better but Melos 31 i think and 4 years left with a monster contract....if he was a year or two younger and had only 2 years left, I honestly would trade Blake for Melo and Galloway a solid back up point guard, but since it's not, there's no other offer besides Durant or PG13 that matches Blake's overall value. Just a silly conversation and rumors that Blake can only blame himself for causing. But I know he's going to come back determined and play the best basketball he ever has in his life. Of course after he gets back in blake shape and all, just watch. They don't know what's coming!

You took it a little to far don't you think lol he's not as bad as some of you guys are making him to be. Sure he's overpaid now for what he gives, but he would instantly make us a serious contender if he was in our starting lineup instead of Luc. It's ridiculous the disrespect Melo gets lol I'm not saying trade blake for him that would be ridiculous but he would be our 3rd best player behind blake and CP if he was on the team. That's a real big 3

Obviously you've never watched him on the defensive side of the court. You could amputate one of Luc's legs and he'd still be twice the defender (that word doesn't even belong in the same sentence with Melo) that Melo is. We have enough offense, give me Luc's defense any day. New York can keep their outrageously over paid ball hogging no defense playing player. For all that money they're paying him you'd think he'd put forth more effort. He's got the talent to be a better defender, he's just too lazy to bother. We don't need any high priced lazy ass players.

I think BG will get traded before the deadline if possible. There have never been rumors like this before and we actually did talk to teams. Before this we would have laughed and said f*ck off. There may be more going on behind the scenes than we know.. I have made it clear in a previous post what I think of him as a person but forget that and look at it from a totally business perspective. First I was floored when JJ said that BG deserved a suspension. What would be YOUR emotional state have to be for you to say that to the press? Pissed. He may not like BG?? BG has done things that could be considered by SOME reasonable people as three felonies. He has without a doubt put the franchise and the NBA in legal jeopardy. In all probability this has been a lifelong pattern of behavior, this is not the first time or the 10th. It is POSSIBLE that he has character issues at worst and at best he his has smeared mud in the Clipps' eyes if the press chooses to crucify him. I think you wouldn't argue with that. He could be a PR nightmare. He is not the clean cut Oklahoma Golden Boy. Not good for business. Not a moral judgement, business. Is our record better without him? YES you cannot deny that but what does that mean? Is it random chance? The countries that have the highest colon cancer rate also have the most Mercedes Benz. Do Benz cause cancer? No but maybe Benz owners are richer and eat more beef. Maybe the guys play harder when he's gone because they were lazy before as example. An association, not cause and effect. Here is the possibility nobody wants....

I've seen him play plenty of times but I think you exaggerating a bit lol I agree with you though he is a lazy defender. but he does have the tools to be a good defensive player. But to say Luc is better is ridiculous. I like Luc but he can't even hold on to the ball lol he looks like DeAndre over there when you give him the ball

Guess you're right, probably over stating it a little bit lol! Just don't like the thought of him bringing his half-assed lazy attitude over to our guys. Let him stay in New York and be Phil's problem.

Addendum. The Clipps are the face of Steve B and vice versa. What this team does is a reflection of who Steve B is and he's a proud man. Would you want BG's actions as a representation of who you are? Can you be proud of your team if he's a flagship player? Not a statement. It's a question and not a leading question. If not BG's on the block now. He's got nothing to gain be keeping him and little to lose for dumping him.

Pffft...I never said I would leave the clippers. I said I would watch Baron in Cleveland. lol

You never get anything right but why would that stop you from lying?