Rumor: Clippers Streaming TV Station Coming? (P. 2)

So because somebody tried something new in the past that didn't succeed, innovation itself is a bad idea? Sure... let's halt all human progress as of right now, just in case somebody has an idea that doesn't quite pan out. You keep mentioning the VHS/Beta "war" as if it proves something. What you may not be aware of is the fact that Betamax (and....

I'm not going to read that whole diatribe but i will address what i quoted and leave it at that. If you can't deal with having the last word the first time, then argue with yourself all you want after this. I Never, repeat, I never said that innovation is a bad idea. I did however say that not all innovation will....

It wasn't a diatribe (like yours), Joe... it was a history lesson, correcting your uneducated notions about VHS vs. Beta. Maybe if you did take the time to read a little more, you wouldn't be so ill-informed in the first place.

Your claiming to be "informed" by cable news speaks volumes. Cable news is well known as the modern day epicenter of media bias, and intransigent and bombastic behavior, so I can't say I'm surprised you dig it.

But anyway, you can go on with your 20th Century technology and your handful of TNT games... and I'll follow the team into the new millennium.

Haha! Dude thinks he's James Brown, but he's more like Charlie Brown.

As expected. you don't/ can't dispute a single thing I said so you make all your comments about:

1. History lesson that has nothing to do with my previous post. I bet you had to look that up! LOL!

2. make it personal in a way to gloss over my argument.

3. makes it about what I watch, not about the content of my post.

4. takes jabs in a way to get a laugh. Just like the kid in school that gets called on by the teacher. he can't give an answer so he makes a joke so the rest of the kids laugh.

   Oh, and you might want to look up what the term, "drop the mic" means. it has nothing to do with James brown...or Charlie brown. I guess that was just the kid in you sitting in back of the class.

As I've said many times in this thread, O contrary one... I'm not going to convince you to abandon your luddite ways, and you're not going to convince me to reject the future of entertainment. After all, it's my business... for many years in Europe, and as owner of my own company for the 16 years I've been in this country. That's why I didn't have to "look up" ANYTHING about video tape formats... I lived and worked with BOTH of them, so you don't get to pretend one was an utter failure without your bogus version of events being....

I honestly just watch a handful of channels from the 400+ I got. AMC (walking dead), HBO and showtime (boxing), ABC (various shows), ESPN, TBS and TNT (obviously for basketball) And maybe a few more but that's it. I have Netflix, Hulu to cover half those stations I mentioned above and its 15 dollars combined.

If I can spend 60 bucks for Internet (and that's over paying), why spend 150 to 200 bucks for a bundle? I mean honestly, playstation Vue charges half the price and u get most of the channels i have mentioned and its live.

What's to stop these companies from going to streaming services and stop paying the middle men (cable companies) and get their profits themselves? If the trend goes to streaming, I don't see why advertisers won't follow suit. I mean that's just my two cents though

netflix..$11

internet $24

clippers streaming channel...priceless

8 bucks a month would be great!!!

with games, interviews and more..maybe blake poetry hour..and dj's free throw session on fridays..

"In the future, you will be paying for everything that used to be free." --- my late father, RIP.

"if it ain't broke, don't fix it" - someone wise.

Unfortunately, it's breaking down fast and will soon be broke.

the outrageous cable and network contracts that were just signed, that has ballooned the salary cap for the next several years , is a big indicator that it's not breaking down. On the contrary, things have never looked better for cable and network TV.

Hmmm... Upfront 2015: Major TV Networks Face Severe Pressure on Ad Prices Analysis: Ad buyers set to seek price reversals for first time since the recession "The upfronts, when U.S. TV networks try to sell the bulk of their advertising for the coming season, has become more complex and difficult in recent years, owing to declines in traditional ratings and new competition. Advertisers are interested in new technologies that allow consumers to stream video unhitched from the good old boob tube, even as the availability of those new venues has leached viewing from traditional TV." "The push comes as broadcast TV’s ability to lure advance ad commitments has shown signs of strain. Advertisers placed between $8.17 billion and $8.94 billion for the 2014-15 broadcast primetime schedule, according to Variety estimates, compared with between $8.6 billion and $9.2 billion for 2013-14 and $8.8 billion and $9.3 billion for the 2012-13 season." "Cable may also come under stress. For years, cable networks have been able to woo dollars from broadcast by playing up the growing quality of their programs and cheaper prices. In recent seasons, however, these networks have also lost viewership to new technologies, and some buyers said they intended to make sure ad prices were in line with these networks’ new realities. In 2014 cable networks secured $9.6 billion in advance ad commitments, according to the Cabletelevision Advertising Bureau, a 6% slip in volume and the first dip the medium had experienced since before the 2009-10 season. Disney’s kids networks and Turner’s entertainment networks were among those agreeing to a reduction in the rate of increase for CPMs." Variety - May 8th, 2015 http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/upfronts-ad-prices-severe-pressure-major-networks-1201488963/ Cable TV subscribers plunging: This is the scariest chart in the history of cable TV "Pacific Crest estimated that the top eight cable providers saw subscriptions fall 463,000 in the second quarter, up from a decline....

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Am I missing something here? Why in the world would someone use something so general and out of context? Why would someone highlight netflix, as a barometer for a different industry? NBA or local teams do NOT run in the same fashion as Netflix does. Furthermore, the NBA just signed one of the BIGGEST contracts with Cable and network channels that proves, the NBA IS THRIVING MORE THAN EVER ON CABLE AND NETWORKS. Lets not also forget, the NBA as an entity, is already in the INTERNET STREAMING BUSINESS. lol One of the reasons why teams DON'T strictly go internet,....

Common sense is... Cable & Broadcast TV: Falling advertising revenue + Subscriptions plummeting = higher prices for those who do subscribe. Internet only service: Rising ad revenue + Subscriptions increasing = Huge cash injection to reinvest in their infrastructure and content, and further improve their service/choices. NBA league pass will indeed benefit from these trends, but there's only one problem... You CAN'T GET your local team on NBALP! For a guy who talks about "convenience" and "one monthly bill", you sound like you're prepared to jump through an awful lot of hoops (VPNs, Foreign NBALP purchasing) to watch some basketball. So yes, if the....

Simply not true.

But ClipperJoe has an opinion... what does the truth have to do with any of this?

Yep, show me some facts and numbers (not the BB TV contract) to dispute what we are saying. That is all.

P.S.This sound like the kind of argument/discussion we might have pertaining to a certain Clipper player who's name I won't mentioned.

Yeah... That headline "The scariest chart in the history of cable TV" and the numbers that back it up pretty much signal the death knell for the current distribution model. But opinions and statistics from highly respected publications of both the broadcast and financial industries won't be enough to convince some people of impending evolution.

Point: "Broadcast is dying. Streaming is the future."

Counterpoint: "No it isn't. Broadcast is in great shape, because it's moving towards streaming."

Much the same as when both educated opinion (all-NBA accolades, multiple max-contract offers) and hard statistics quantify a player's worth... some people just won't listen because their preconceived notions trump all. The intransigence borders on being religious in nature... except that they are not citing the "word of God" as their authority, merely their own outlook. The arrogance is astounding!

Welp... You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

Here is my final thought on this: I didn't torpedo my argument in the least. Most cable channels are now offering internet streaming as well as regular broadcast. Isn't that evolving? But the fact remains, you only get that perk if you are a cable subscriber. So most cable channels offer the best of both technologies. As far as owning your own content, in case you haven''t read or heard, they do say, "this is the property of the NBA". You also forget that there is revenue sharing so even if Ballmer makes a ton of money, he'll have to split....

My final thoughts on this subject:

Cable TV subscriptions ARE falling at a pretty significant rate:

http://www.businessinsider.com/cable-tv-subscribers-plunging-2015-8

Things like NBA Pass ARE beginning to change, so I see the time, very soon, when you will be able to see your favorite team offered in your local market, whether by the team or NBA Pass.

http://www.techhive.com/article/2938023/nba-unbundles-league-pass-to-offer-single-games-and-teams-in-2016.html

I plan to cut the wire this month with Charter (live in LA) and subscribe to "single" Pass for streaming of my Clippers.

As someone once sang...."the times they are a changing"....fast.

I am new to the thread and just want to add my 2 cents. First you have to know I am a Clipper, Dodger, Trojan and Raider fan. I also have Direct TV. When billionaires buy a product they want the largest ROI they can get which includes jacking up prices on everything from beer to gear and if you go to Clipper games you know this is true. In fact I lost my season seats this year because it is just too expensive. So first the Pac-12 decided to let their cable contract go and they build....

Don't cut it just yet.

from your article:

"And of course, regional blackouts will still apply, so cord cutters won't be able to watch their local teams, at least not without VPN- or Smart DNS-based workarounds. This remains an issue for all the major sports streaming services, and the NBA is no exception. (Major League Baseball has talked about allowing in-market streaming , but only for pay TV subscribers at first.) "

the there is this:

"For now, subscribers who want a single team or game will have to opt for the streaming version of NBA League Pass, rather than the version that's bundled with traditional pay TV packages. The NBA told Bloomberg that it's working with TV distributors on single-team packages, but doesn't know which ones will get on board. "

The NBA is working with local RSN's (Cable channels and local channels) to allow them to sell their programming to local subscribers who don't want to pay for cable.

League pass uses the same feed the local team/ visiting team uses. which is a cable or local feed. The RSN's already allow the NBA to use their feeds for out of market subscribers. They don't allow the NBA to use the feed to customers in the same market cause they lose revenue. That's the hurdle that might be hard to overcome.

Next season, you can easily buy any other team that is not in the market but you'll be blacked out for Clippers and Lakers.

The important part...."And of course, regional blackouts will still apply, so cord cutters won't be able to watch their local teams, at least not without VPN- or Smart DNS-based workarounds".,

Just like I said on page one.

That's my route too if Clippers move out of cable (fat chance though). I'll still keep my cable though. Charter too.

Yeah and it works and that's all that I'm concern with.

That's what charter is counting on. They love customers like you. Have fun with that.

Yup. I'm thinking that before very long, I'll be able to get all of the channels I actually watch, streaming only, for less than half the price of the 200 channel bundle I currently pay for.

VOD, no charges for extra receivers/feeds, no premium for HD or DVR... give the customer what they want, or they'll go elsewhere.

Otherwise known as "evolve or perish"... but I guess some people just like to argue.

Don't you have charter too?

Kinda hypocritical of you to say that when you're still"funding" them. Anyway, I'll have fun when the playoffs roll around and I don't have to hit a bar or look up a illegal site to watch them. have fun with that.

the difference between you and I? I don't have a problem with Charter. My package is awesome and not that expensive.

Edit:

I also have Netflix that I NEVER watch but it's nice to know I have it in case I do ever watch it. The library sucks.

Yes sir, with a HD indoor amplified antenna (picked up a good one at Costco for $39) you'll get 110+ channels. Abeit over half of those channels are in a foreign language, lol. But that's what included in the basic 200-250 package from the cable boys anyway...free public TV.

Add in Netflix, Hulu and Amazon or HBO/Showtime if you dare and you should be set.

Get NBA Pass, sign up for single or 5 team choice, throw in a VPN and life is good.

And all that for under $100, even with the internet price going up to $60 as they (Cable mafia) still got you by the balls in that area until more choices become available (hopefully).

Tried of their bull sh!t with every year having to call and rant and rave about keeping the price the same for a loyal customer who has been with them for 17 long years. Ugh...won't miss them at all.

So the guy who mocks anybody who would pay $12 a month to a streaming service for something they actually want to watch has no problem giving his money to Netflix when he "NEVER watches" it because it's sh*t... but it's nice to know it's there.

Okay then.

BTW, tense... I'm paying $37.99 a month for internet with TWC for 100mbps. Sixty bucks seems f*cking EXTORTIONATE!

I'm sure you've already tried the "loyal customer" argument, so I won't even go there, but at least this John Oliver bit on ISPs and net-neutrality might give you a smile...

"Mafia" indeed... hope you find access to an alternative soon, my friend.

Strange how even HBO make their content available on the internet. I guess they want non-subscribers to see their shows, and to benefit from additional revenue via web ads.

"Evolve or perish".

^^ You're delusional Cleepers. You're seriously mental. I NEVER mocked anyone for differing in opinion. You on the other hand, did mock me numerous times. Starting with the "housewives" comment. Seriously, even when I've had it with you, and stopped addressing you, you find some way to continue to troll. Some moderator you are. lol

Yeah, I pay for netflix and never watch it but you know what? That's because I can do it without acting like I'm being raped or muscled by the "mafia". What little time I have, I watch certain shows that happen to be on cable, not netflix , that has a real lame movie library but sometimes has ok documentaries. But you're right, maybe I should cancel netflix since my time is spent on cable.

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So really you guys want what I had 25 years ago when I moved into my house. 12 foot satellite dish and at first free tv of every kind and every cable channel and every sports there was in North America (yes Canada and Mexico included). Then someone invented the scrambler. So we had to pay for HBO or ESPN or TNT. BUT,we could hand pick whichever channels we want, build our own package and pay someone to hit the descramble it button on our receiver. NO equipment to rent or pay anyone for,you bought....

Won't have charter much longer (2 more weeks) my friend so there's that. Don't with that.

Comparing Cable TV's library with Netflix's library is like comparing a small city's library to the Library of Congress, lol. No contest, particularly with no friggin commercial interruptions.

And not be able to watch the Clippers in the PO run from the stream (which I'll find away too anyway) till they make the NBA finals won't be a problem. That will not stop me from being abused any further from the cable mafia. Enough is enough.

You can stay in your Stockholm syndrome mode as long as you like, don't care...your choice. Again, have fun with that.

Stockholm syndrome? Says the guy who got reamed for 17 years and looks like he liked it. I'm glad you're finally moving on from your living hell but 17 years? If that isn't stockholm syndrome, i don't know what it is. Charter was loving you "long time". Now you want to give me advice? lol

You had choices if you were really that dissatisfied. Netflix has been around since early 2000. League pass has been around a long time. And now you want to preach about how I have stockholm syndrome? You probably made your choice after this thread started and after I gave you a way to bypass the NBA LP backout. lol

Don't think for a second that the internet options will not raise their prices cause they will hotshot. As soon as they get enough "cord cuttters" like yourself, they will do what charter did to you. Oh wait,. it's already starting.

http://www.slashfilm.com/netflix-price-increase/

I wasn't comparing cable's library to netflix's library. Netflix is a library based entertainment channel on the internet...Cable is not. While Netflix has started producing their own original content, they're not the same as cable. I take advantage of basic cable's channels. From my Clippers, to cable news, and all the way to the walking dead. Netflix can't help me with that but if you want to spend your time watching old TV shows and old movies, go ahead. I like looking forward to watching fresh shows when they air. Aside from House of Cards, Netflix might be new technology (not really new), but it's nothing more than a virtual video store that has all the new titles rented out.

Something to chew on....

There's much more stuff out there (Hulu+Amazon+others) then just House of Cards (more stuff on Netflix and a lot more to come) for new content to view! You must have not looked in the last couple of years, lol

Not sure what we are arguing about anyway for Petes sake. You choose to stay, I chose to move on. Better to wake up late then not a all.

I'm very happy with that decision. Something to chew on......

The only thing I'm arguing is the fact that you told me I have Stockholm syndrome. You want to make snide remarks like that and go unchecked, you're nuts. Fact is, you've been a unhappy prisoner for 17 years and you have the gull to try and make it seem like I'm the one with the problem cause you decided to cut cords when you had options for years? You had the door wide open and you refused to leave. Me? I do not and have not felt as angry as you for a multitude of reasons and for you to make a judgement like that just cause you want to spend less is idiotic. Until I find the same entertainment that I watch now, on the internet, I am not changing a thing.

If you think cable is like the mafia, just wait and see till these other internet outlets grab a hold of enough customers and put them under their control. They'll just raise the prices same as cable does. It's already happening. And it's coinciding with the cable exodus. Gee, i wonder why that is? So next time you want to label me, look at yourself first. I am ok with paying for my package where I watch 100% of my entertainment. Which by the way, you can't buy currently on the internet.

I don't want to get in the middle our you guys and your quarrel,but I do have Netflix, DirectTV and Amazon Prime. You are correct Joe, sort of.

However, the shows that are on cable,like The Walking Dead,do eventually show up as streamable shows on Netflix or a DVD rental, you are just a season behind everyone else. Netflix and Prime do have their own produced shows much like cable shows, but just not as many (and I personally hate the HOuse of Cards,I prefer the original which was a BBC production). I do like some of the Netflix originals, some are crap. Amazon Prime has only had 1 that appealed to me.

So you can cut the cord and eventually see what everyone else saw and WERE talking about 1 year ago. I have a sister that does it so we can't talk TV around her because she is always a season behind us. What I like about having Direct is if I do miss a show, say an episode of the Dead, I can stream it a day later via Direct TV.

BTW,I like BBC mysteries and Dramas and I find Netflix a good source.

Wow, stop being so friggin sensitive and self righteous already. You dish out plenty of the snide remark cards a lot to me and other posters (and it's easy to find) so stop calling the kettle back already.

Your agrument started way before any snide comments I made, so please.

You stay with cable I don't give sh!t nor care. I'm moving on from this silly pissing contest. Hope you will too.

Yeah, that's what I mean. Netflix is the equivalent of a video store that has all it's best titles out. So you have to settle for renting all the old stuff. I love watching my favorite shows when they debut, not a season or two later. I know you and I are BIG BIG fans of the Dead so you know what I mean about having to watch it. Until that option pops up on the net, and it's beneficial enough in terms of cost savings, I like where I am right now.

I'd go nuts if I had to wait for a year to watch the walkers create havoc..