dj defintely out! reports out of dallas that the clips going hard dh12.
Clippers Going After Dwight Howard?
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realbull17 wrote:
dj defintely out! reports out of dallas that the clips going hard dh12.
Link please.
tense2 wrote:
realbull17 wrote:
dj defintely out! reports out of dallas that the clips going hard dh12.
Link please.
im listening to espn710. mark willard said it.
Rumors, I love rumors. 10% chance of this happening.....but there is a chance, lol.
I think if he decides leaves LA it will be for Dallas or Houston. State taxes make it more pausable and both teams will be very, very good with him.
Hunger Games NBA Edition, commenced.
Sidenote: Absolutely hilarious how we have a rumor on our topbuzz about us trying to clear cap space to get Howard and Lakers topbuzz has a rumor posted on their forum discussing Lakers clearing cap space to get CP3.
And their rumor scenario is just the kind of water into wine miracle that the lakers pull off, the more absurdly impossible the more likely they can pull it off lol.
So much nonsense coming up this time of year,,,reporters playing fantasy basketball because to them money is no object.
I'm not much of a D12 fan, but I think the reaction from Lakers fans if we signed him would be pretty priceless.
But I think Tense is right that there's only about a 10% chance of this happening. We'd have to somehow get rid of DJ and Butler and let Bledsoe walk. And that might not even be enough.
I've been searching far and wide for my least favorite thread on CTB but by God I think I've finally found it.
He helps in some ways but we really need bigs wi a reliable jumpshot. Not sure how this helps blake
I wonder if CP3 and Dwight have been talking... Haven't they been talking about playing together when Dwight was in Orlando and CP3 in New Orleans?
better offensive/defensive center, same" 4th quarter hack-a-___" issues.
sign and trade with the lakers????
D12/metta for DJ/bledose/butler/odom
works out for both.
Paul/billups
billups/crawford
metta/hill
griffin/turiaf
howard/hollins
bledsoe/nash
kobe/meeks
bulter/odom
gasol/jamison
DJ/hill
keephopealive wrote:
sign and trade with the lakers????
D12/metta for DJ/bledose/butler/odom
works out for both.
Paul/billups
billups/crawford
metta/hill
griffin/turiaf
howard/hollins
bledsoe/nash
kobe/meeks
bulter/odom
gasol/jamison
DJ/hill
Lakers can't do S&T's until they get under the cap.
As much as I hate the clown act, he would be better than DJ.
the way BG plays, and assuming his mid range game stays unrefined, i dont like the idea of having two players that clog the paint. we've already seen what happens when DJs around: teams have a much easier time double teaming.
ekker3 wrote:
the way BG plays, and assuming his mid range game stays unrefined, i dont like the
idea of having two players that clog the paint. we've already seen what happens when
DJs around: teams have a much easier time double teaming.
trade blake for dwight and dj for anderson. problem solve
ekker3 wrote:
the way BG plays, and assuming his mid range game stays unrefined, i dont like the
idea of having two players that clog the paint. we've already seen what happens when
DJs around: teams have a much easier time double teaming.
Yeah, its a concern. We'd have to have consistent shooting from the 1,2 and 3 spots to make it work offensively. But we'd be much better defensively.
The ONLY trade we should be making is trading DJ and Bledsoe to Orlando for Vucevic and Aflalo. That way we get someone who can rebound like crazy and shoot from the outside and get someone who can play d on the outside.
Vucevic is a total beast. Check out his numbers. We also need to dump Caron, Grant Hill, Chauncey, unless Chauncey wants the minimum. Bottom line, Dj has to go, sorry Blake, but he disappeared against Memphis. Also, we MUST get either Van Gundy or Rivers. Period.
If they trade for Dwight or get him theyw ill venetiallu trade Blake for lebron or melo
Grant Hill probably just retires, Chauncey isnt on the books and Caron isnt the worst piece on the team.
sign and trade for dwight, send bledsoe and DJ for him. if dwight was to leave, lakers would probably do that trade in a heartbeat. we might have to throw in a draft pick but im okay with that. keep BG.
jarca wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
the way BG plays, and assuming his mid range game stays unrefined, i dont like the
idea of having two players that clog the paint. we've already seen what happens when
DJs around: teams have a much easier time double teaming.
trade blake for dwight and dj for anderson. problem solve
Orlando West...No thanks!
Howard is a malcontent. From crying to the press about not going to him the 4th qtr, to throwing his coach under the buss. That, just in Orlando. In LA, after every game, he subtly takes jabs at his players, and talks about how the offense should be inside out...Jab at his coach. Do you guys honestly think Howard will not throw BG under the bus if he thinks BG is taking away from his offense?
F Howard...
clipper*joe wrote:
jarca wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
the way BG plays, and assuming his mid range game stays unrefined, i dont like the
idea of having two players that clog the paint. we've already seen what happens when
DJs around: teams have a much easier time double teaming.
trade blake for dwight and dj for anderson. problem solve
Orlando West...No thanks!
orlando made it to the final and cp3 is definitely better than rafer alston or nelson. I take final appearance over first round exit any day.
clipper*joe wrote:
Howard is a malcontent. From crying to the press about not going to him the 4th qtr, to
throwing his coach under the buss. That, just in Orlando. In LA, after every game, he
subtly takes jabs at his players, and talks about how the offense should be inside
out...Jab at his coach. Do you guys honestly think Howard will not throw BG under the
bus if he thinks BG is taking away from his offense?
F Howard...
it's time someone puts accountability on bg. this guy gets a free pass. he's gonna get paid max $$ next season, it's time to stop babying him.
jarca wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
Howard is a malcontent. From crying to the press about not going to him the 4th qtr, to
throwing his coach under the buss. That, just in Orlando. In LA, after every game, he
subtly takes jabs at his players, and talks about how the offense should be inside
out...Jab at his coach. Do you guys honestly think Howard will not throw BG under the
bus if he thinks BG is taking away from his offense?
F Howard...
it's time someone puts accountability on bg. this guy gets a free pass. he's gonna get paid max $$ next season, it's time to stop babying him.
So, the solution is trading him? And how is he getting a free pass? He was one of the most criticized players in the league in terms of the national media and a lot of fans outside of LA. The flopping, the lack of a consistent offensive game, etc. have all been brought up over and over again this season. He knows he's got to improve.
I think Howard would have a resurgence with our team. I also think he would fit in better with our guys and as a result, will play harder. I do not however, under any circumstances want metta world piece of shiit.
jarca wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
Howard is a malcontent. From crying to the press about not going to him the 4th qtr, to
throwing his coach under the buss. That, just in Orlando. In LA, after every game, he
subtly takes jabs at his players, and talks about how the offense should be inside
out...Jab at his coach. Do you guys honestly think Howard will not throw BG under the
bus if he thinks BG is taking away from his offense?
F Howard...
it's time someone puts accountability on bg. this guy gets a free pass. he's gonna get paid max $$ next season, it's time to stop babying him.
Wtf are you talking about? BG is improving every year unlike Howard, how the heck can you defend Dwight and throw Blake under the bus like that? Smfh, even non Clipper fans know how hard Blake works, he isn't getting a 'free pass' he changed this franchise.
I'm with CJ on this one, Dwight is a cry baby and he's far from a leader.
One thing we can all probably agree on....... Ship out DJ as soon as it is possible...
clipperBryan32 wrote:
jarca wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
Howard is a malcontent. From crying to the press about not going to him the 4th qtr, to
throwing his coach under the buss. That, just in Orlando. In LA, after every game, he
subtly takes jabs at his players, and talks about how the offense should be inside
out...Jab at his coach. Do you guys honestly think Howard will not throw BG under the
bus if he thinks BG is taking away from his offense?
F Howard...
it's time someone puts accountability on bg. this guy gets a free pass. he's gonna get paid max $$ next season, it's time to stop babying him.
Wtf are you talking about? BG is improving every year unlike Howard, how the heck can you defend Dwight and throw Blake under the bus like that? Smfh, even non Clipper fans know how hard Blake works, he isn't getting a 'free pass' he changed this franchise.
I'm with CJ on this one, Dwight is a cry baby and he's far from a leader.
rebounding declining yearly. ppg declining yearly. It's not like he's automatic down low or from 15 feet away. there's really zero evidence of him improving. there's flashes of his potential but too inconsistent
^ Declining yearly? He's only been in the league for 3 years and his minutes were way down this year which is a good thing.
I don't know about you but I rather have Blake putting up smaller numbers and the Clippers winning, rather than Blake putting up monster numbers and Clippers losing, I guess you look way too much into numbers.
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rebounding declining yearly. ppg declining yearly. It's not like he's automatic down low or from 15 feet away. there's really zero evidence of him improving. there's flashes of his potential but too inconsistent
He has improved his free throws. Which was a great sign. Once he has a legit coach, you will see a vast improvement in his game. He has all the tools, just needs the guidance.
jarca wrote:
rebounding declining yearly. ppg declining yearly. It's not like he's automatic
down low or from 15 feet away. there's really zero evidence of him improving.
there's flashes of his potential but too inconsistent
Yes, his numbers have declined, but that doesn't tell the whole story. The players surrounding him in his 2nd and 3rd years were much better than the team his rookie year. That's the main reason his scoring is down. He hasn't done as much in the last two years because he hasn't needed to. Plus, he's vastly improved defensively from when he was a rookie.
clipperBryan32 wrote:
^ Declining yearly? He's only been in the league for 3 years and his minutes were way
down this year which is a good thing.
I don't know about you but I rather have Blake putting up smaller numbers and the Clippers winning, rather than Blake putting up monster numbers and Clippers losing, I guess you look way too much into numbers.
newsflash. blake put lower number in the playoff and we loss. we loss badly! so we ain winning
hoopfanjd31 wrote:
jarca wrote:
rebounding declining yearly. ppg declining yearly. It's not like he's automatic
down low or from 15 feet away. there's really zero evidence of him improving.
there's flashes of his potential but too inconsistent
Yes, his numbers have declined, but that doesn't tell the whole story. The players surrounding him in his 2nd and 3rd years were much better than the team his rookie year. That's the main reason his scoring is down. He hasn't done as much in the last two years because he hasn't needed to. Plus, he's vastly improved defensively from when he was a rookie.
will he ever win defensive player of the year? what's his ceiling in the defensive end
having better teammate doesnt excuse him from disappearing during crunch time and being passive
jarca wrote:
clipperBryan32 wrote:
^ Declining yearly? He's only been in the league for 3 years and his minutes were way
down this year which is a good thing.
I don't know about you but I rather have Blake putting up smaller numbers and the Clippers winning, rather than Blake putting up monster numbers and Clippers losing, I guess you look way too much into numbers.
newsflash. blake put lower number in the playoff and we loss. we loss badly! so we ain winning
Blake's numbers weren't the reason we lost to Memphis.
And nobody is suggesting he'll ever be DPOY, but you act like he hasn't improved at all since he's been in the league, which just isn't true.
We've got issues on this team, but Blake isn't one of them. A better coach could easily help with some of the things you seem to perceive as Blake's flaws.
gary wrote:
The ONLY trade we should be making is trading DJ and Bledsoe to Orlando for Vucevic
and Aflalo. That way we get someone who can rebound like crazy and shoot from the
outside and get someone who can play d on the outside.
Orlando is not trading Vucevic, he's better than DJ and makes less than $2M next
season and less than $3M the season after. I see no logic in doing that just to get
Bledsoe. Vucevic was a 13/12 C per 36 this past season.
His PER if you want to go that route was the same (slightly but insignificantly higher) than DJ and he's 2 years younger and makes much less. Their new GM has been making shrewd moves, they wouldn't even entertain the offer. The only way Afflalo is coming is Caron and Bledsoe. Vucevic would only be moved to get a better player, not a worse one (he can play 4th quarters, DJ can't).
Bled isn't better than Afflalo either, and why would his potential be greater than a 22 year old second year C that just put up huge numbers?
I'm not so much in favor of a Howard acquisition, I just don't see how him and Blake work together on the floor. No doubt, it's an upgrade, but he can't shoot FT's either. If him and Paul both take pay cuts to make it happen, sure, if not then how do they expect a roster to be built?
Trading Blake for anybody in the league is frivolous, falatious, flatulent fuc*ing folly (sp). In two years he will be in the running for MVP. Next year when he dribbles dow the court I will no longer scream "Give it to a fuc*ing guard" I'll watch him take it to the rack. How can Blake deal with Godzilla and King Kong alone. He got tripled. Yeah his points were down. It's hard to score with Gasol and Randolph are on each leg humping him like my dear departed dog used to do.He need another in side presence.
Did anybody notice. D12 played a lot better when Kobe was gone. Do I smell a pout?
Having said that we would make Memphis toe jam.
I still would rather have Sasha Can't Spell His
Last Name and the other dude or the Lopez trade
I'd rather have a spread 5, Brand and some canabalistic MF as back up 5
Sorry. If LAL amnesties Pau I'd take him $4mill. He would play tougher without Kobe riding his tapas. Madrid rocks. That is if everything else goes south
Very, very unlikely this happens... but it does send a message to CP3 that we're not afraid to spend over the cap and set our sights on marquee free-agents. Clips will probably make a perfunctory effort to woo Dwight, but it wouldn't surprise me if this was little more than an intentional "leak" from within the organization to send the message that we're not intimidated by the lakers and in fact, in this brave new world, we're more likely to poach THEIR players than vice-versa.
Agent0 wrote:
gary wrote:
The ONLY trade we should be making is trading DJ and Bledsoe to Orlando for Vucevic
and Aflalo. That way we get someone who can rebound like crazy and shoot from the
outside and get someone who can play d on the outside.
Orlando is not trading Vucevic, he's better than DJ and makes less than $2M next
season and less than $3M the season after. I see no logic in doing that just to get
Bledsoe. Vucevic was a 13/12 C per 36 this past season.
His PER if you want to go that route was the same (slightly but insignificantly higher) than DJ and he's 2 years younger and makes much less. Their new GM has been making shrewd moves, they wouldn't even entertain the offer. The only way Afflalo is coming is Caron and Bledsoe. Vucevic would only be moved to get a better player, not a worse one (he can play 4th quarters, DJ can't).
Bled isn't better than Afflalo either, and why would his potential be greater than a 22 year old second year C that just put up huge numbers?
I'm not so much in favor of a Howard acquisition, I just don't see how him and Blake work together on the floor. No doubt, it's an upgrade, but he can't shoot FT's either. If him and Paul both take pay cuts to make it happen, sure, if not then how do they expect a roster to be built?
Dude why did you destroy my Orlando fantasy? Are you going to tell me there is no Santa Claus next?
Jerediscool wrote:
and Caron isnt the worst piece on the team.
No, but he's not any lower then the 2nd worst.
8)
Howard did remark about how he liked our teams family atmosphere, vocally longing for the Lakers to be that way.
Before the Grizzlies series, I was NOT a fan of getting DH. Offensively, it creates similar problems for BG's game that DJ does. However, between DH and BG we'd have less of a time struggling with rebounds and interior defense against teams like Memphis...I must admit.
tense2 wrote:
Jerediscool wrote:
and Caron isnt the worst piece on the team.
No, but he's not any lower then the 2nd worst.
8)
If he's equal to the second worst doesn't that make him tied with Chauncey
There are 2 serious IF's here. If we can get rid of Butler and DJ and IF Howard takes about 3-4 mil. less just to be on a winning team with CP3. Looking at this, I think we should be able to have him at the 14 mil. mark.
Obviously, this would also mean no SVG coaching. Hmmm.....
Voyeur wrote:
Obviously, this would also mean no SVG coaching. Hmmm.....
SVG ain't won a cow pie.
Wonder what DTS thinks,,that is if he knows or cares,,about the rumors on how we and the media want to spend his money
