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Does this mean no more Harrell?


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Ruining the tank. Apparently they are dead set on trying to win 40 and get another 13th pick. That being said I'm really happy to have him back.

The perimeter defense of Evans+Thornwell+Beverley+Bradley+SGA is gonna be insane.


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Huge fan of Mbah, nice way to weaken the Rockets too, but he's a guy who will help winning too much, lol, so if we're going for more losses, well...

LA_Clipper818 wrote:
Does this mean no more Harrell?
This should have absolutely no bearing on Harrell


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I hope with all these signing the Clips have a trade coming where we can free up a roster space and sign Herrell. Maybe they'll buy out Milos and then Sign Herrell. Otherwise it looks like Herrell and Wallace might be the odd guys out.


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He was killer in isolation defense with the Clippers too, great team defense also and overall great pro


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Luc is a SF who can't score unless he has a great PG. Good bye Wes. Our perimeter defense is OK but who is going to put the leather sphere into the metal hoop? Nobody there. As a matter of fact, who?


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Clippers need to trim the fat badly. Wallace sadly, Milos, Wes, CJ etc need to go.


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Whoa, with the way this is going.... we should keep Pat Bev. We'd have Bev + Bradley + Thorn + Luc + Shai.... just give a C with length that can run. Either we'd beat Golden State 29 to 18, or we'll be in the penalty in less than 2 minutes in every quarter! Either way, we're scrappin' quick


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WTH!! Didn’t see this coming. But my question is why?? He is an ok defender but on the offense is not that great. Plus didn’t he suffer the same shoulder injury twice? Unless we unload wesjohnson I don’t get this trade.


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Clippersfan86 wrote:
Clippers need to trim the fat badly. Wallace sadly, Milos, Wes, CJ etc need to go.

I don’t see why we should keep Milos. Doc spoke highly of Milos last @ last nights game. He is very slow and not what the clippers are looking for. I see Milos, Wes and CJ getting the boot hopefully.


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I suspect we're headed to this:

PG: Bradley, SGA, Milos (cut Evans)

SG: Beverley, Lou Williams, Robinson (cut CJ Williams, Wallace)

SF: Harris, Johnson, Thornwell (cut Dekker)

PF: Gallinari, Mbah, Scott

C: Gortat, Harrell, Marjanovic

I don't like Harrell at center though. I'd prefer to cut Johnson, move Mbah up to SF, Harrell up to PF, and pick up a center.


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cisco805 wrote:
WTH!! Didn’t see this coming. But my question is why?? He is an ok defender but on the offense is not that great. Plus didn’t he suffer the same shoulder injury twice? Unless we unload wesjohnson I don’t get this trade.
He's an elite defender, the best defender on the team right now, but it's another move that cements the team as a high 30's to low 40 wins team.


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I get that the Clippers want to be competitive. Lots of 1 year deals getting handed out so no long term worries. But we are still waiting to see who gets dealt or cut because we have way too many players.


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Wes Johnson is out for sure, has to be


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He's an elite defender, the best defender on the team right now, but it's another move that cements the team as a high 30's to low 40 wins team.

I agree he is a good defender but is he ok with that shoulder he injured twice? And Wes has to go with this signing.


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I like having Prince Luc back, but I can only hope we're making roster space for Trez. Cap space shouldn't be an issue since we own Trez's bird rights and can go over the cap to re-sign him without having to use an exception.

IMO fan fave CJ Williams is most definitely a goner with his non-guaranteed contract. Milos is likely to get waived/traded, since SGA is already looking like our backup PG moving forward. Then it's a matter of waiving either Dekker, Jawun or Wes to make room for Trez.

Unfortunately, re-signing Ty seems less likely, unless he doesn't get any offers in the FA market and comes back on a two-way.


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cisco805 wrote:
I agree he is a good defender but is he ok with that shoulder he injured twice? And Wes has to go with this signing.

I don't see how Wes goes. He makes too much $.


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ohMEohMy! wrote:
I don't see how Wes goes. He makes too much $.
He's an expiring, so waiving him doesn't have any future implications


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Might be weird, but I'm really liking this team. A bunch of guys that know how to play the game. They play D, shoot the 3, move the ball, and can be dogs when they need to be. There is a bigger picture here, guess we gotta be patient.


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So, we got Luc? That means Rockets lost most of their defense with not just one, but two of their best defenders. Wow, didn't see that one coming. hehe.

Kinda feel indifferent about the move to get Luc.


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Agent0 wrote:
He's an elite defender, the best defender on the team right now, but it's another move that cements the team as a high 30's to low 40 wins team.

I think it signals that Harrell isn't coming back. I would also say your win totals depend on a healthy Gallinari. Knock off ten at either end if Gallinari plays as infrequently as last year. Without him, a front court of Harris, Gortat, Wesley, Luc, Boban and Scott is easily the worst front court in the league, despite having Harris, who is very good.


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Mistwell3 wrote:
I suspect we're headed to this:

PG: Bradley, SGA, Milos (cut Evans)

SG: Beverley, Lou Williams, Robinson (cut CJ Williams, Wallace)

SF: Harris, Johnson, Thornwell (cut Dekker)

PF: Gallinari, Mbah, Scott

C: Gortat, Harrell, Marjanovic

I don't like Harrell at center though. I'd prefer to cut Johnson, move Mbah up to SF, Harrell up to PF, and pick up a center.

Here's the problem, We have one PG, Milos and he's defensively absent. Draft picks don't count. They are not NBA players. Bradley isn't a PG. Beverly is 6'1' 185# SG 41,56,56,71,67,11. Those are GP. Thornwell is a SG. He played SF in "small ball", Gallo will get hurt. Without Harrell we have no PF. Boban and Gortat are semi - adequate at best. The only decent players excluding Trezz are Lou and Harris and Lou as most of these guys are is not a starter.

Is Baron Davis available? If we tank, do it with style.


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Seems like Wes is trying to build more like he did with the grizzlies, not golden state. Scrappy guys, defensive culture, play hard. Clearly this isn’t the team for the future but it seems like a culture of defense is being created.

With that being said it’s still only the first week and a half of free agency, so many more moves are coming before the start of the season.

I still think we do the Harrell deal, but if he is asking too much I wouldn’t mind letting him walk. He is a 17mpg energy player.


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cisco805 wrote:
I don’t see why we should keep Milos. Doc spoke highly of Milos last @ last nights game. He is very slow and not what the clippers are looking for. I see Milos, Wes and CJ getting the boot hopefully.

Milos and SGA are the only true PGs on the team. I suspect Mijlos will be released or traded, but I could see reason to keep him. When looking at Milos, you have to think of the Milos of the first several games, before the plantar issues. He was playing in pain and much slower than normal. I remember watching him in those first games and thinking his defense was not as bad as I anticipated. After the injury, it was dreadful. He was unable to keep anyone in front of him and had no burst offensively to get to the rim. How much of that was the result of the plantar will be interesting to see if we keep him. I have had players with that injury and it is really debilitating.


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Seems like Wes is trying to build more like he did with the grizzlies, not golden state. Scrappy guys, defensive culture, play hard. Clearly this isn’t the team for the future but it seems like a culture of defense is being created.

With that being said it’s still only the first week and a half of free agency, so many more moves are coming before the start of the season.

I still think we do the Harrell deal, but if he is asking too much I wouldn’t mind letting him walk. He is a 17mpg energy player.

Agreed. It's all one-year deals. If Harrell wants more than that, I don't think he'll find it here. I suspect a guard or two will be traded. There is no need to keep both Lou and Beverly as over 30-year-old guards. If both are still on the roster come fall, I will be surprised.


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ClipperPostman wrote:
Seems like Wes is trying to build more like he did with the grizzlies, not golden state. Scrappy guys, defensive culture, play hard. Clearly this isn’t the team for the future but it seems like a culture of defense is being created.

With that being said it’s still only the first week and a half of free agency, so many more moves are coming before the start of the season.

I still think we do the Harrell deal, but if he is asking too much I wouldn’t mind letting him walk. He is a 17mpg energy player.

Why does everybody think that he's a 17 min player? Do we have evidence? I don't get it. As you increase your skills you can decrease the energy level. Have we seen him gas?


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Here's the problem --.

We have no problems. We're going to stink this year and management is okay with that, even if they won't say so. They don't want to lose next year's pick by making the playoffs and they don't want to make the playoffs because we'd go nowhere anyway. They say they want to remain competitive while rebuilding. They don't mean competitive in terms of wins and losses. They mean they want a group that will play hard and compete and they largely have it.

We are bringing in roster fillers on cheap one-year deals. None of these guys are going to add to our win totals. Look at them.

Luc is a marginal NBA player released by his team after every season.

Bradley is a decent starting level guard, but by no means a star. Over the breadth of the league he would be a net minus as your starting SG when compared to other SGs and he's been hurt and subpar for two straight years. They can't be counting on big things.

Mike Scott can put the ball in the basket, but you can't count on him for any significant numbers.

Beverly is a 3 and D player despite being 6'1" and he missed all of last year with a major knee injury.

Gortat is an old school center on the downside of a marginal career.

Harris is excellent.

Lou will not be playing the minutes he played last year and it would be unfair to expect him to have as big a year as he did.

Gallinari will be hurt.

How can anyone expect the playoffs with this group?


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I do not understand this move one bit. Other than to take away a player from the Rockets this has no benefit for us. As it stands though it looks like we might have a defensive minded team with Beverley, Bradley, and Luc in that lineup...a lighter version of Memphis' grit and grind


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SamMays wrote:
Milos and SGA are the only true PGs on the team. I suspect Mijlos will be released or traded, but I could see reason to keep him. When looking at Milos, you have to think of the Milos of the first several games, before the plantar issues. He was playing in pain and much slower than normal. I remember watching him in those first games and thinking his defense was not as bad as I anticipated. After the injury, it was dreadful. He was unable to keep anyone in front of him and had no burst offensively to get to the rim. How much of that was the result of the plantar will be interesting to see if we keep him. I have had players with that injury and it is really debilitating.

The first games in preseason he looked good and was hoping for good things to happen but with the injury he did suck. Had some good games I gotta give him that but on the defense he was horrible and kept getting worse. I have no idea how he is now and if his foot injury has vanished but if it’s still lingering, we can see more of the same for this season.


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Interesting move, maybe a buyout with Wes is coming, just to save $$.


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Agent0 wrote:
He's an expiring, so waiving him doesn't have any future implications

That's a good point. I guess I was under the impression that we were trying to clear some cap space, or that we would stretch his $6mil contract over the next few years.


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This helps our rebuild. Luc + Bradley at the deadline is one heck of a defensive combo we could sell. If Sacramento throws money at Smart, I can see a trade with Boston happening Since they have plenty of assets.

BTW, if we keep the pick next year, that means we lose it the following year, right?


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CLIPSET wrote:
This helps our rebuild. Luc + Bradley at the deadline is one heck of a defensive combo we could sell. If Sacramento throws money at Smart, I can see a trade with Boston happening Since they have plenty of assets.

BTW, if we keep the pick next year, that means we lose it the following year, right?

That’s correct. So it only helps us to suck one year, lol, although it might be too 3 protected


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SamMays wrote:

Luc is a marginal NBA player

I am trying to figure out if you're trolling, or just don't know what you're talking about.


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clipperboy24 wrote:
That’s correct. So it only helps us to suck one year, lol, although it might be too 3 protected

Lottery protected for the next two years, then turns into a 2nd round pick in third year if it hasn't gone by then.


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I am trying to figure out if you're trolling, or just don't know what you're talking about.

He has been released by every team he’s played for in the last five years. If that’s not the definition of a player who exists in the margins I don’t know what is.


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He has been released by every team he’s played for in the last five years. If that’s not the definition of a player who exists in the margins I don’t know what is.

Houston most definitely did not "release" Luc and they are quite bummed we stole him.

You don't know what you're talking about. Luc is a valuable player. And you are not smarter than Jerry West, who wanted him bad and is very happy we grabbed him.

Why don't you go look at the reaction on the Houston Rockets board and then tell me how he's a "marginal player":

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?thr ... 3m.292333/


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Houston most definitely did not "release" Luc and they are quite bummed we stole him.

You don't know what you're talking about. Luc is a valuable player. And you are not smarter than Jerry West, who wanted him bad and is very happy we grabbed him.

Clearly, you don't know what the word "marginal" means. Marginal "Not of central importance." Luc has been one of the last players the Clippers, then Houston, then the Clippers added in each of his stints. We got him for one year on a near-minimum deal. He has received near NBA minimum payment for his whole career. He is not in the center of anyone's plans, therefore exists in the margins. Buy a dictionary, or use one online.

And Mistwell, I accept that I am not smarter than Jerry West, but for you to suggest that I don't know what I am talking about makes me wonder if you do since it has become clear that you can't even understand the Clipper plan to keep as much cap space free next year as possible. Hence, the Clippers have not offered Harrell a multi-year deal as you would like them to. What part of this strategy is beyond your comprehension?


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I'm sure the Rockets wanted Luc back but since they just gave out a HUGE contract to CP3, he became expendable if he demanded more than the minimum. That's how they lost Ariza (give more than the Rockets would offer). They knew this would happen which is why both players went out to get their own. They knew this time around, the Well didn't have enough water for them. Now you have the Rockets low-balling Capela to save on luxury taxes. They could lose him to a team who comes along with the money (or close to) he wants People, I said this would happen long ago in the CP3 thread. Rockets robbed Peter to pay Paul...Pun intended.

Media is finally calling out the Rockets for letting both Luc and Ariza go. The signing of CP3 allowed the losses to pile up.

Disclaimer: some of this post is opinion.

Tilman Fertitta Denies Suggestions Luxury Tax Impacted Rockets' Moves

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/2 ... kets-Moves


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clipper*joe wrote:
I'm sure the Rockets wanted Luc back but since they just gave out a HUGE contract to CP3, he became expendable if he demanded more than the minimum. That's how they lost Ariza (give more than the Rockets would offer). They knew this would happen which is why both players went out to get their own. They knew this time around, the Well didn't have enough water for them. Now you have the Rockets low-balling Capela to save on luxury taxes. They could lose him to a team who comes along with the money (or close to) he wants People, I said this would happen long ago in the CP3 thread. Rockets robbed Peter to pay Paul...Pun intended.

Media is finally calling out the Rockets for letting both Luc and Ariza go. The signing of CP3 allowed the losses to pile up.

Disclaimer: some of this post is opinion.

Tilman Fertitta Denies Suggestions Luxury Tax Impacted Rockets' Moves

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/2 ... kets-Moves

That makes absolutely no sense considering they could resign both players and to reasonable contracts regardless of they signed cp3 or not.

Houston’s problem is Ryan Anderson. That’s where they f***ed up. They have over $20 mill+ per season tied up in a bench warmer


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That makes absolutely no sense considering they could resign both players and to reasonable contracts regardless of they signed cp3 or not.

Houston’s problem is Ryan Anderson. That’s where they f***ed up. They have over $20 mill+ per season tied up in a bench warmer

Yes it does. lol

Why did they let them go then? You mean to tell me Luc and Ariza wanted out after getting to the WCF...And one game away from the finals? Why did Luc come to a rebuilding team then? Why did Ariza leave to a rebuilding team?And I make no sense?


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SamMays wrote:
And Mistwell, I accept that I am not smarter than Jerry West, but for you to suggest that I don't know what I am talking about makes me wonder if you do since it has become clear that you can't even understand the Clipper plan to keep as much cap space free next year as possible. Hence, the Clippers have not offered Harrell a multi-year deal as you would like them to. What part of this strategy is beyond your comprehension?

The part where you think we cannot offer Harrell $8M/yr and still sign two max players because we can always stretch Gallo's contract if we can't trade him? I don't know if he would TAKE $8M/yr but that's what I said we can easily afford and still be able to sign two max players next year if we want to. Which...we could. Pretty sure Jerry West knows we can.

Would you like a brief primer on how the stretch provisions work in the NBA, Sam?


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Yes it does. lol

Why did they let them go then? You mean to tell me Luc and Ariza wanted out after getting to the WCF...And one game away from the finals? Why did Luc come to a rebuilding team then? Why did Ariza leave to a rebuilding team?And I make no sense?

They didn’t feel either of those guys were worth it. I like Luc but he was absolute **** in the playoffs. They had to bench him it was so bad. That is more of a factor why they didn’t bring him back.

Ariza isn’t worth $15 million to them after he looked like complete **** in he playoffs as well.

Not sure why people think they needed them to get within one game of the championship. They won in spite of those guys.


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In any case Luc is a marginal player. He D is OK but he is an offensive liability, worse than Wes. I would consider him in the 40th percentile. We have no offense.


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They didn’t feel either of those guys were worth it. I like Luc but he was absolute **** in the playoffs. They had to bench him it was so bad. That is more of a factor why they didn’t bring him back.

Ariza isn’t worth $15 million to them after he looked like complete **** in he playoffs as well.

Not sure why people think they needed them to get within one game of the championship. They won in spite of those guys.

They didn't feel they're worth it? C'mon man. They're at 116 million right now without...Capela, Ariza, and Luc. The cap is at 101 million. They're over the cap without signing Capela. You mean they let go of Ariza and his bird rights, along with Luc, so they could go after minimum contracts? You seriously expect me to follow that logic? You just said the Rockets could have offered reasonable contracts so why didn't they? They expect more from signing minimum contract players? Is that supposed to make them better than last season? They could have used Ariza's bird rights to keep him and Capela instead of filling out the roster with minimum contract players. If they intend to keep Capela, they're still going to have to fill out the roster with minimum contracts. lol

With Cp3's starting salary at just over 35 million , you have to ask why they couldn't keep Ariza and Luc? The guy is making 5 million more than Harding. LOL.

It's easy to see that the Rockets had to decide on who they prioritized to keep, and who they would have to let go. If it's not about the money, why isn't Capela signed? Why are they low-balling him?

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/houston-rockets/cap/


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Lordy things are getting snippy up in hurrrr. Can't wait till either we make a freaking move of some kind, or better yet, the season starts.


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clippyclip wrote:
Lordy things are getting snippy up in hurrrr. Can't wait till either we make a freaking move of some kind, or better yet, the season starts.

lol seriously there's like two arguments going on right now. Definitely a sign that we're deep in the offseason


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Did it make the clippers better? Yes and that he is a tenacious defender should be no surprise.I worry about the injuries but maybe that’s the plan buy low let them heal and then reap the rewards. Go clips!


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