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They will regret it for many years. I feel like I was one of the first to come around to this guy on this forum and I still believe losing him would be a huge failure of the front office. Every piece of data, every more extensive sample shows that this guy is a starting caliber PF/C. With 30 ish minutes a game you are likely getting an 18/8 type big who can contest shots at the rim. I expect a leap from him this year and if the team doesn't keep him, they will be set back bigtime. He's currently our best young player easily. I'd like to try him at starting PF or C this year and if Doc doesn't start him, it's a big mistake and I will call for his job.

Luckily for the Clippers, nobody really has salary room now to sign him besides maybe Philly. Lakers used their cap, so did Dallas.


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I don't think anyone disagrees... He's definitely the nicest piece we got now and the torch-bearer.


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Def think we should keep him. I don’t think he will command much on the market. He has never gotten much playing time and since Kenneth Faried many teams are hesitant to sign energy bench guys to big contracts. They tend to stop being energy guys after they get paid.

Not saying that’s Trez, but that’s the perception of those type of players. Works in or favor as I don’t see him garnering much attention.


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He should at least get around 8-12 mil per year. But I think the clippers are letting the market dictate his salary since they can match any offer


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jarca wrote:
He should at least get around 8-12 mil per year. But I think the clippers are letting the market dictate his salary since they can match any offer

I think that's a perfectly fair number. I mean Austin got 13 right and Montrezl is a much better player with more upside, who actually fills a need. 10 mill a year over 4 years would be a great deal for the Clippers. Would only up our salaries about 8 million per year, which won't affect cap space next summer much.


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We must resign him !


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To re repeat myself, this guy is a future all star and maybe our franchise player. It's not his energy, it's his dominance in the post, his hook shot and athleticism.I don't care how energetic he is.


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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
To re repeat myself, this guy is a future all star and maybe our franchise player. It's not his energy, it's his dominance in the post, his hook shot and athleticism.I don't care how energetic he is.

I need what you are smoking bro. Trez will never be a franchise player or even close.


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I am no Jerry West but definitely clippers need to sign trez. With more playing time with the clippers I can see him really doing good.


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He's restricted and the market is pretty dry for big contracts. If the Clippers lose him I'm really curious to see how it would happen


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ClipperPostman wrote:
I need what you are smoking bro. Trez will never be a franchise player or even close.

We shall see.


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Julius Randle got two years $18Mil deal from the Pels. Personally i've always liked Randle.


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I can't imagine losing Montrezl. I preferred him playing instead of DJ. The Clippers are out of their minds if they trade him.

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Y’all keep trusting West... keep on


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preese wrote:
Y’all keep trusting West... keep on

I’ll judge West after Jerome Robinson finish his first year. This is his draft pick


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jarca wrote:
I’ll judge Eest after Jerome Robinson finish his first year. The is his draft pick

I think he’s going to really be a star, very excited for him


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He's definitely going to make a leap this year. He's a must sign no doubt about it


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I see tweet that Clips may lose Montrezl Harrell. They are trying but As Clippers looking at Amir Johnson & Thomas Robinson as other options. 😭😭😭😭


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clipperboy24 wrote:
I think he’s going to really be a star, very excited for him
I'll give it more than one season though


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realbull17 wrote:
I see tweet that Clips may lose Montrezl Harrell. They are trying but As Clippers looking at Amir Johnson & Thomas Robinson as other options. 😭😭😭😭

Isn't he a RFA? Can't we match. Otherwise bend over and kiss our--- goodbye. This may be a boring season. If we lose Trezz even I may consider tanking. We were going to pay for KL who may be a bit of a head case and injured..


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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
Isn't he a RFA? Can't we match. Otherwise bend over and kiss our--- goodbye. This may be a boring season. If we lose Trezz even I nay consider tanking. We were going to pay for KL who may be a bit of a head case and injured..
Hopefully Lawrence Frank/Jerry West are on their phones making things happen. 😊


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Really want Trez to be part of the core.


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I hope we're not gonna lose Harrell because Lawrence Frank/Doc Rivers had dinner with FA Kyle O'Quinn last night. �"


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realbull17 wrote:
I hope we're not gonna lose Harrell because Lawrence Frank/Doc Rivers had dinner with FA Kyle O'Quinn last night. �"

We need more back up big depth so Oquinn helps with that, doesn’t really affect Montez as Oquinn is almost exclusively a back up center


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Harrell has proven himself an outstanding second unit player. What are they worth? Lou got 8-million for being sixth man of the year. Does that set the market, which would make Harrell worth about 5-million a year? Or does the 15-million we paid to Jamal a few years ago set the market?

Does he was to test the open market? If he does, we may need to let him go, given that our team isn't about this year. It's about next year. Scott, Bradley, Harris, Boban, and Gortat all have contracts that can end after the coming season. We can put ourselves in a situation to make a dramatic investment in new talent next summer. We don't want to risk any of that to overpay Harrell, if that's what it comes to.

I suspect everyone wants him back, but only at the right price for the right term.


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Harrell wants multi-year deal. Clips wants players for 1 yr deal only.


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SamMays wrote:
Harrell has proven himself an outstanding second unit player. What are they worth? Lou got 8-million for being sixth man of the year. Does that set the market, which would make Harrell worth about 5-million a year? Or does the 15-million we paid to Jamal a few years ago set the market?

Does he was to test the open market? If he does, we may need to let him go, given that our team isn't about this year. It's about next year. Scott, Bradley, Harris, Boban, and Gortat all have contracts that can end after the coming season. We can put ourselves in a situation to make a dramatic investment in new talent next summer. We don't want to risk any of that to overpay Harrell, if that's what it comes to.

I suspect everyone wants him back, but only at the right price for the right term.

If randle was only signed for $9mm per year, then Harrell is probably in the $7mm range per year. I know we want max flexibility but he’s probably worth locking in for 3 years $21-24mm. He’s a good player with upside. There’s no guarantee we can even sign two max type players, no need to leave us with no future bigs.

Honestly if we can resign Tobias and maybe sign Kawhi, then pick up a top 10 pick. That’s a great roster if our rookies develop how I think they might


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If randle was only signed for $9mm per year, then Harrell is probably in the $7mm range per year. I know we want max flexibility but he’s probably worth locking in for 3 years $21-24mm. He’s a good player with upside. There’s no guarantee we can even sign two max type players, no need to leave us with no future bigs.

Honestly if we can resign Tobias and maybe sign Kawhi, then pick up a top 10 pick. That’s a great roster if our rookies develop how I think they might

Would agree with all that and would love to bring Harrell back at 6 or 7 million a year for three years. If he tests the market and gets significantly more than that, it might be a mistake for us to match it.


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Would love to move Harris into Gallinari's number and have enough for one max player next summer. If we can only get out from under Gallinari. Hopefully, he is injury free this year and we can trade him by the deadline.


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So what is Jerry West up to these days? We really need him out there shaking hands and working the phones. What's the deal?


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SamMays wrote:
Would agree with all that and would love to bring Harrell back at 6 or 7 million a year for three years. If he tests the market and gets significantly more than that, it might be a mistake for us to match it.

Only 3 teams remain with more than the $8.6 million MLE, Chicago, Atlanta and Sacramento.

Atlanta isn't interested in signing any big names, Bulls have space before they sign Lavine, but Harrell doesn't make sense for them on a huge deal, they have Markennen, and Sacramento has about $17 million and Bagley. The Clippers hang up with Harrell is about years on the contract because of preserving cap space for next off-season. Tough for both sides. Harrell can't really find anything higher on a yearly basis than about $9 million, but he can find a mult-year MLE deal somewhere and then the Clippers will have to decide whether to match of not. I'm assuming that the Clippers wouldn't fret too much about an MLE multi-year deal as it is trade-able if needed.


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SamMays wrote:
Harrell has proven himself an outstanding second unit player. What are they worth? Lou got 8-million for being sixth man of the year. Does that set the market, which would make Harrell worth about 5-million a year? Or does the 15-million we paid to Jamal a few years ago set the market?

Does he was to test the open market? If he does, we may need to let him go, given that our team isn't about this year. It's about next year. Scott, Bradley, Harris, Boban, and Gortat all have contracts that can end after the coming season. We can put ourselves in a situation to make a dramatic investment in new talent next summer. We don't want to risk any of that to overpay Harrell, if that's what it comes to.

I suspect everyone wants him back, but only at the right price for the right term.

Lou is the exception, not the rule. Consensus around the league was that it was pretty big underpay and a crazy good signing by the Clippers. His true worth is probably more like 12 per year. Also 8 million is now MLE. Harrell is worth more than MLE, although don't get me wrong I'd love him for that much.


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SamMays wrote:
Would love to move Harris into Gallinari's number and have enough for one max player next summer. If we can only get out from under Gallinari. Hopefully, he is injury free this year and we can trade him by the deadline.

Who knows maybe he even contributes for 60+ games. Wouldn’t count on it though


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Why does a young guy like him care about more years at this point, rather than the money itself?


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Clippersfan86 wrote:
Lou is the exception, not the rule. Consensus around the league was that it was pretty big underpay and a crazy good signing by the Clippers. His true worth is probably more like 12 per year. Also 8 million is now MLE. Harrell is worth more than MLE, although don't get me wrong I'd love him for that much.

I don’t see how Harrell is worth more ham $8mm per year. He’s still raw, potential but raw and that’s where people won’t pony up big cash


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I don’t see how Harrell is worth more ham $8mm per year. He’s still raw, potential but raw and that’s where people won’t pony up big cash

Actually he's not raw at all IMO. He's just a guy who needs more minutes. His PNR instincts, post up game, soft touch at the rim, screens etc are way ahead of most 24 year old bigs. The guy was 2nd in the league in points per possession, had elite rim finishing, elite post up efficiency, elite PNR finishing. What's more eye opening is his efficiency and rates ROSE with increased minutes and usage. Usually opposite happens.

As for the price... pay has changed. MLE went from like 5.5 to 8. So 8 is probably the MINIMUM per year he commands.


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Also people knock his defense but Harrell only allowed 44.5% shooting in 1 on 1 situations.


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https://94feetreport.com/montrezl-harre ... 1d0948daf9

Must read if you want to know his true impact on both ends. He's not raw and surely worth more than 8. He's a legit starting caliber, borderline all star caliber 24 year old playing way less than he should.


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I really think that Trezl deserves a multi year deal. I know we are trying to remain flexible, but we need to hold on to pieces that work instead of holding out for pieces that MIGHT work in young draft picks or potential free agent all stars (plural.)

I like Trezl a whole lot, he's the hardest worker on the team and a joy to watch play.

I'd pay him a bit over 7mil a season, but under 10mil...

And I would not worry about cap flexibility from ONE multiyear contract (especially at under 10 million/year; especially after signing Bradley to a 2-year deal!)

Now I know we may be active in trading some of these pieces during the year, but I also think that we should not be hesitating much on signing Trezl.

It is all for salary cap reasons that we are avoiding a multiyear deal, but hard work should be rewarded and this man should get paid.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/2 ... yle-OQuinn


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Actually he's not raw at all IMO. He's just a guy who needs more minutes. His PNR instincts, post up game, soft touch at the rim, screens etc are way ahead of most 24 year old bigs. The guy was 2nd in the league in points per possession, had elite rim finishing, elite post up efficiency, elite PNR finishing. What's more eye opening is his efficiency and rates ROSE with increased minutes and usage. Usually opposite happens.

As for the price... pay has changed. MLE went from like 5.5 to 8. So 8 is probably the MINIMUM per year he commands.

His moves could be a lot more polished, but everything else is spot on. I don't know if I would call it raw, but might need some maturing/marinating with a big man coach. He definitely should be playing at least 20 min a game, maybe closer to 30!


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I really think that Trezl deserves a multi year deal. I know we are trying to remain flexible, but we need to hold on to pieces that work instead of holding out for pieces that MIGHT work in young draft picks or potential free agent all stars (plural.)

I like Trezl a whole lot, he's the hardest worker on the team and a joy to watch play.

I'd pay him a bit over 7mil a season, but under 10mil...

And I would not worry about cap flexibility from ONE multiyear contract (especially at under 10 million/year; especially after signing Bradley to a 2-year deal!)

Now I know we may be active in trading some of these pieces during the year, but I also think that we should not be hesitating much on signing Trezl.

It is all for salary cap reasons that we are avoiding a multiyear deal, but hard work should be rewarded and this man should get paid.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/2 ... yle-OQuinn

Yea, and God forbid we drop from 70 mill in cap next summer to say 62 (he already makes 2 mill, so I'm factoring him at 10 mill salary) to retain our best young player who culturally is a perfect fit. As you mentioned for players we MIGHT get. Remember GS had a dynasty before signing Durant. Through player development, brilliant drafting. The Clippers found a gem and need to double down on paying him AND starting him. Gallinari has no business starting over Harrell this year.


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His moves could be a lot more polished, but everything else is spot on. I don't know if I would call it raw, but might need some maturing/marinating with a big man coach. He definitely should be playing at least 20 min a game, maybe closer to 30!

25-30 minutes a game this year seems perfectly reasonable.


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LAC_12 wrote:
His moves could be a lot more polished, but everything else is spot on. I don't know if I would call it raw, but might need some maturing/marinating with a big man coach. He definitely should be playing at least 20 min a game, maybe closer to 30!

That might be a better way to put it. Needs some refinement on the offensive end (a little out of control at time), and also defensive refinement needed (committing to better positioning etc). But yeh we shouldn’t let him run out the door for nothing


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If he takes another leap next year he's going to be asking for max or near max in 2-3 years. Better to lock him up 4 years now


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Lets sign this guy already!! He's gonna be a beast this upcoming season


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Clemenza wrote:
Lets sign this guy already!! He's gonna be a beast this upcoming season

I’m with you why haven’t we signed locked him up??

Maybe they are thinking it’s gonna cost us more $$$ but if they lock him up then we are over the limit in players. But then there is always Dekker and Wesley whom we can trade. 😂😂


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Dekker needs to go ASAP


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If he takes another leap next year he's going to be asking for max or near max in 2-3 years. Better to lock him up 4 years now

He’ll never make the max or near max. Too much exaggeration.

He doesn’t make anyone better, plays lousy defense, sucks at pick and roll defenses, but he can score in bunches. Even if he averages close to 20 this year, his inability to pass to open man and hot dog mentality won’t earn him close to max money.


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