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SamMays
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It has been stated by many here that we have no first round pick in 2019. The fact is, that pick is lottery protected in 2019 and in 2020 and converts to a second round pick thereafter.

So, the question is, given that we need to rebuild anyway, why would we take the chance of losing a pick (that will be a lottery pick) in our rebuild? Simply by moving DJ and Lou for youth and picks, we pretty much guarantee we don't make the playoffs and keep a high first round pick in the process. The rebuild happens faster, and much faster if that pick turns out to be a good one. If we do this reload thing and make the playoffs next year (I see a reload as an effort to maintain mediocrity) then we also give up a first round pick.

I think we bite the bullet and suck for the next two years. If DJ leaves, we are not nearly a playoff team anyway, given that Gallinari will miss 60 games and Lou can't possibly equal last year's production. it just seems like the time to bite the bullet and rebuild rather than reload. Add to that, Gallinari's contract ends then and we will have young talent and money to spend in the summer of 2020.

Thoughts?


laboy
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Jerry West will find 2 or 3 Jem's in the lottery and he will get us a veteran star.....

We will be in the playoffs next year. With Beverly, Milos , Lou, Evans, Thornwell, Gallo, Harris and Dekker...we have pieces.

Jerry will shuffle the deck, and produce a lineup for November. DJ, little Rivers and Harell could all stay or go.


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I am with you SamMays… you forgot to add to the fact that there's that other team in the Pacific Division that won't be beatable in the near future.

laboy, I don't disagree that we can be competitive if/hopefully with Jerry being successful.

But I guess the question or opinion is that we should give up assets to pick up talent? Am I understanding that right?

We want to do a "trust the process" type team build? I am weary of that because it has never worked out for us... but we've never had a competent owner/manager/advisor so it can be argued.

My only issue is that we are a large market team (forget about the cap system, we are in Los freaking Angeles) and we can leverage to bring in proven talent. We missed the LeBron boat, we missed the KD boat, not sure if Kawhai is the answer, but I am generally more comfortable with the "show me" process - aka trading for proven pieces. It just so happens that there are no pieces that I am gushing over, and I do not see any team beating GSW.


Clemenza
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Other than Kawhi there's really not much out there. Even Paul George isn't turning heads at the moment like he normally would. I honesty gotta gut feeling that one of our first rounders is going to be something special and then we'll be having an entire different conversation at least by all star break in February. Just a hunch.


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Clemenza wrote:
Other than Kawhi there's really not much out there. Even Paul George isn't turning heads at the moment like he normally would. I honesty gotta gut feeling that one of our first rounders is going to be something special and then we'll be having an entire different conversation at least by all star break in February. Just a hunch.

I'm right there with you on this.


HooRob
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according to most mock drafts, we are landing Trae young, I'm cool with that


laboy
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Jerry West is a good judge of talent and if he was sending talent out, you can be sure that we would be getting more talent back.. If Jerry can bring us the next (kobe, oneal, or Lebran), we have to make the trade. Jerry is smart, he will not sell the farm, just a cow and a few chickens. If we can get Leonard from the spurs, for a guy and a pic....we have to do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are deals to be made in the NBA. Lets see what Jerry will do...


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So to keep our picks in 2019 and 2020 we need to tank. Hey so keeping Gallo may not be so bad after all. The tank commander.


SamMays
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laboy wrote:
Jerry West will find 2 or 3 Jem's in the lottery and he will get us a veteran star.....

We will be in the playoffs next year. With Beverly, Milos , Lou, Evans, Thornwell, Gallo, Harris and Dekker...we have pieces.

Jerry will shuffle the deck, and produce a lineup for November. DJ, little Rivers and Harell could all stay or go.

I just don’t see that team as any better than this past years and an 8 spit in the playoffs is not worth fighting for. It will retard our growth. Actually, I see that team as worse without DJ and Austin. And expecting two Middle first draft picks to come in at 19 years old, or so, and be immediate difference makers is unlikely.

And trading what little we have for a veteran star just guarantees more mediocrity. We had Blake, CP3 and DJ and that wasn’t enough. Losing all three of them and adding Gallo, who will miss 60 games. Also losing Harris and more to get this superstar? Even if the superstar was LeBron there wouldn’t be enough left to be good.


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Snafu wrote:
So to keep our picks in 2019 and 2020 we need to tank. Hey so keeping Gallo may not be so bad after all. The tank commander.

Yeah. Summer of 2020 is when the deck is reshuffled and we are ready to challenge. Any plan that comes in sooner than that is just wishful thinking and a plan to maintain mediocrity. We didn’t dump Blake to continually battle for a 5 through 8 seed.


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SamMays wrote:
Yeah. Summer of 2020 is when the deck is reshuffled and we are ready to challenge. Any plan that comes in sooner than that is just wishful thinking and a plan to maintain mediocrity. We didn’t dump Blake to continually battle for a 5 through 8 seed.

I could see maybe one more year, but unfortunately this was the year for us to tank. Even if we just went top 6-8 that could be Michael Porter or Bamba! Next years draft class isn’t going to be as loaded as this one. I really think we still get someone special and who knows maybe by some crazy stroke of luck we land in the top 3!


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clipperboy24 wrote:
I could see maybe one more year, but unfortunately this was the year for us to tank. Even if we just went top 6-8 that could be Michael Porter or Bamba! Next years draft class isn’t going to be as loaded as this one. I really think we still get someone special and who knows maybe by some crazy stroke of luck we land in the top 3!

I hear you, but I don't think you can factor in the perceived strength or weakness of the next draft class, because trying to predict where 17 and 18 year olds will be with their game in a year, is difficult.

I think it has to be about lining up a time when you have some young, cheap, talent in house combined with cap room. And the mistake of signing Gallinari says that will be 2020. By following this philosophy, the Celtics were loaded with young talent, moved a bit of it and have signed two max players and traded for another superstar in Kyrie Irving. Now, the Celtics benefitted greatly by the foolishness of the Nets trading picks for fading stars, but we can do the same (to a lesser degree). Lou and Beverly could bring us picks and even if they are not in the top ten, they can be significant.

And assuming DJ leaves, Gallinari is injured (two pretty safe bets) we will likely have a high first rounder next season.


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clipperboy24 wrote:
I could see maybe one more year, but unfortunately this was the year for us to tank. Even if we just went top 6-8 that could be Michael Porter or Bamba! Next years draft class isn’t going to be as loaded as this one. I really think we still get someone special and who knows maybe by some crazy stroke of luck we land in the top 3!

We could still trade up


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If DJ walks and we move Lou for a pick and Beverly for a pick, or a young player, what do we actually have?

The answer is a team that is going to get a top five pick.

Austin, Harris, Harrell, Wesley, an injured Gallinari, Boban, two promising rookies and a bunch of G leaguers is not going to take us very far.


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SamMays wrote:
If DJ walks and we move Lou for a pick and Beverly for a pick, or a young player, what do we actually have?

The answer is a team that is going to get a top five pick.

Austin, Harris, Harrell, Wesley, an injured Gallinari, Boban, two promising rookies and a bunch of G leaguers is not going to take us very far.

i think jordan is gonna opt in, not many suitors this year to offer him max money. When he does, we should flip him and austin rivers for gortat and bradley Beal


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cashdld wrote:
i think jordan is gonna opt in, not many suitors this year to offer him max money. When he does, we should flip him and austin rivers for gortat and bradley Beal
That's assuming the Wizards even want those 2 guys.


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bballman wrote:
That's assuming the Wizards even want those 2 guys.
maybe. DeAndre still has a somewhat undeserved reputation as an elite defender. I was listening to ESPN a few days ago and shannon Sharpe was commenting on the possible Jordan to Cleveland trade, and his words were "if DeAndre goes to Cleveland its over" (meaning Cleveland wins it all). People still believe DeAndre is an elite player, so there is a market for him.


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pageC4 wrote:
maybe. DeAndre still has a somewhat undeserved reputation as an elite defender. I was listening to ESPN a few days ago and shannon Sharpe was commenting on the possible Jordan to Cleveland trade, and his words were "if DeAndre goes to Cleveland its over" (meaning Cleveland wins it all). People still believe DeAndre is an elite player, so there is a market for him.

you say somewhat undeserved, I say somewhat deserved. He did not perform to his best abilities on a team that was trying to sell him off, I'm not surprised by that.

I am not going to comment on him joining the Cavs, but the man is an elite player and there is a rightful market for him. I guess the better question is, at what price? That is up for debate and varies for every team.


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Jerry West is on his way to Chicago for the Lottery Draft tomorrow. 😉


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can see moving Lou, but would like to retain DJ, and since it's a player's option, am gonna guess he opts in.

and I get the logic, but would rather just continue w/the process.... (does Jerry have two surplus years to squander here ?)

personally am looking to jettison Lou, Beverly, Austin, Tyrone, Milos, Gallinari, and.... Doc.

guys I'd like to bring in include the one or both of Frank Ntilikina/Shabazz Napier (via trade), and Aaron Gordon (RFA).

in the draft am looking at Wendell Carter (trade up ?) and Austin Wiley (buy/trade for second rounder).

pg * Napier/Ntilikina, Jawun

sg * Wesley, Avery, Sindarius, CJ

sf * Tobias, Dekker

pf * Gordon, Carter, Montrezl

c5 * DJ, Boban, Wiley

edit: think I might hold onto Tyrone Wallace ??

(cue in depth analysis by Agent to follow.... Smile


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Clips stays at #12 & #13. 😭


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I agree not much of a market for jordan he probably does just opt in.


laboy
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When DJ and little Rivers opt in for next year, we can trade them for other players or pics...Just like we did with Blake, sign and trade...get more goodies..

guys most likely gone...Avery, and maybe Harrell. Jerry West has more to work with than last year. I think he did a good job last year, with the Paul trade and the Blake trade.


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laboy wrote:
When DJ and little Rivers opt in for next year, we can trade them for other players or pics...Just like we did with Blake, sign and trade...get more goodies..

guys most likely gone...Avery, and maybe Harrell. Jerry West has more to work with than last year. I think he did a good job last year, with the Paul trade and the Blake trade.

Everyone here is Team Jerry but when's the last time you've posted and not mentioned Jerry West?


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laboy wrote:
When DJ and little Rivers opt in for next year, we can trade them for other players or pics...Just like we did with Blake, sign and trade...get more goodies..

guys most likely gone...Avery, and maybe Harrell. Jerry West has more to work with than last year. I think he did a good job last year, with the Paul trade and the Blake trade.

the paul and Griffin trades were great. The only mistake Jerry has made so far is giving up a first and trading for gallinari. Other than that West has been as good as advertised.


cashdld
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Trade deandre jordan/ rivers and 13th pick for bradley beal/ gortat. Draft kevin Knox with the 13th pick, draft alexander with 15th pick.

Roster not including old vets:

Alexander/Evans

Beal/Wallace (restricted FA)

Knox/Thornwell/Dekker

Harris/Harrell


CLIPSET
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I would like PHX’s 16th pick. Beverley and DJ for Chandler,Chriss,Uliss and the 16th


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Dj brung his own stock down by pouting and not playing hard every game. If he opts in he made the dumbest move in basketball history. He turned down a multi extension from the clippers for reportedly $24-$27 million because he wanted the max $35 million... only to opt in for one $20 million...

I don’t see that happening honestly. It’s too moronic. Best case scenario he does a sign and trade and/or we extend him and trade him mid season.


SamMays
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There is this idea out there that you don't win with a center like DJ in the modern era. Well, Houston has one exactly like him. So does Golden State. Cleveland would love to have him, as would Boston.

The point is, you don't win with a center like DJ eating up a large amount of your cap space. If we can resign DJ for a reasonable amount over a long term, he's a great sign. But where is that number? I suspect it's 15 - 18 million a year at most.


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SamMays wrote:
There is this idea out there that you don't win with a center like DJ in the modern era. Well, Houston has one exactly like him. So does Golden State. Cleveland would love to have him, as would Boston.

The point is, you don't win with a center like DJ eating up a large amount of your cap space. If we can resign DJ for a reasonable amount over a long term, he's a great sign. But where is that number? I suspect it's 15 - 18 million a year at most.

Capela is far more skilled and a smarter player than DJ is. I get what you're saying, and I do agree with what you're saying but the fact are, he's already slowed down, athleticism has started to diminish, and he's mentally soft. He opts in, move him but I am more curious to see what the market offers him. Plenty of people were talking 23 million on a long term or higher. People said that Rockets would jump at the chance for DJ. I'm on record saying that 17 million would be too much for him. He was exposed when his bread and butter left. Since he depends on athleticism, and you don't keep that for life, it's safe to say his expiration date is closing in.


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Capela is far more skilled and a smarter player than DJ is. I get what you're saying, and I do agree with what you're saying but the fact are, he's already slowed down, athleticism has started to diminish, and he's mentally soft. He opts in, move him but I am more curious to see what the market offers him. Plenty of people were talking 23 million on a long term or higher. People said that Rockets would jump at the chance for DJ. I'm on record saying that 17 million would be too much for him. He was exposed when his bread and butter left. Since he depends on athleticism, and you don't keep that for life, it's safe to say his expiration date is closing in.

I get you. We're just a bit apart on the salary and what he has left. I wouldn't mind giving him three years beyond what he has now at 17-million a year. I do agree, if he opts in, he needs to be traded.


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SamMays wrote:
I get you. We're just a bit apart on the salary and what he has left. I wouldn't mind giving him three years beyond what he has now at 17-million a year. I do agree, if he opts in, he needs to be traded.
I would sign him at the 17 a year rate only with the thought of trading him later in the season, a la Blake Griffin. Teams were not offering much for a non-skilled center at 20+ per year but at 17 per for 3 years, I bet we would get offers. Besides, he would be locked in for 3 years instead of being able to walk away at the end of the season. So yes, I would only re-sign DJ to use as a trade asset. I don't believe he should be a part of the team rebuild other than that.


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bballman wrote:
I would sign him at the 17 a year rate only with the thought of trading him later in the season, a la Blake Griffin. Teams were not offering much for a non-skilled center at 20+ per year but at 17 per for 3 years, I bet we would get offers. Besides, he would be locked in for 3 years instead of being able to walk away at the end of the season. So yes, I would only re-sign DJ to use as a trade asset. I don't believe he should be a part of the team rebuild other than that.

Sorry I don’t understand your logic. So he will accept making $17 mill per year when he can just opt in and make $20million... and he has already turned down $24 million per year.


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Sorry I don’t understand your logic. So he will accept making $17 mill per year when he can just opt in and make $20million... and he has already turned down $24 million per year.
This was in response to someone stating that he wouldn't mind giving DJ 17 mil a year for 3 years.My point is not what DJ should do. It's what the Clippers should do. That's what I think they should offer him. If he wants more, he can opt in for 1 year. If he wants guaranteed money for more years, 17 a year seems fair. If he doesn't like either, sayonara.


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They can restructure the contract, and add 2 years and give him a 3 year 40 million dollar contract. ( 40 mil for 3 years or 13.300,000. per year). Or 38 mil, or 36.

Or let him walk and draft a center to replace him. Or if he opts in, we trade him, like we did with Blake. Its a team concept, like what the warriors are doing...taking less money to keep (team) together and winning.

Something Blake and cp3 did not want to do..And what cp3 did with Houston.


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