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toohipcliptoslip
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LAC_12 wrote:
This was the LA times link

https://a.msn.com/r/2/AAwOWM5?m=en-us

Did Austin write this? Does Doc have a publicist?


clipfan63
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It appears Doc's not going anywhere for a while, everyone might as well make peace with it, you'll sleep better.


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jarca wrote:
That team sucks and no draft pick. Plus they’re stacked with bG albatross contract: I don’t envy piston fans at all hahahha
Yea, zero envy of them


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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
We are forgetting how horribly he misused players. Remember when he refused to play Prigs and Aldrich and played small? That was beyond stupid. Wasn't one of the problems with CP that Doc was not a strong coach? Doc once admitted that CP ran much of the offense. If we do get young players, I don't think Doc could change his style or develop younger players. He was a great coach in Boston but anybody could win with that team. Why did BG play pick and pop and not go to the rack? (He may have refused)

Coaches are like bread - if they are stale, they go (except for whiskey bread pudding. I'd post the recipe but I lost it)

The roster he put together in 15-16 was a hodge podge of I'll firing players. Doc DID end up using those two for most of the season.

I don't remember reading Paul say that. Most coaches will have a guy like him run much of the offense, they trust them to make the right decisions and don't want to micromanage possessions.

Griffin did attack the basket, but when teams game plan against you knowing that you generally have a SF they can play off of and a big who can't shoot outside 5 feet, the lanes to the basket aren't as open. Unless you're massive like Shaq or earlier, Wilt, all the great bigs also had outside games. Griffin at 6'10 with short arms needed an outside and face up game to be effective in the playoffs and against better defenses who he couldn't just bully inside with back to the basket. He was a lot easier to shut down before he had those aspects; stick some bigger mobile enough guy on him and he would be pump faking 5 times near the basket. Expending so much energy trying to score also that he would be doing half effort on defense.


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Griffin did attack the basket, but when teams game plan against you knowing that you generally have a SF they can play off of and a big who can't shoot outside 5 feet, the lanes to the basket aren't as open. Unless you're massive like Shaq or earlier, Wilt, all the great bigs also had outside games. Griffin at 6'10 with short arms needed an outside and face up game to be effective in the playoffs and against better defenses who he couldn't just bully inside with back to the basket. He was a lot easier to shut down before he had those aspects; stick some bigger mobile enough guy on him and he would be pump faking 5 times near the basket. Expending so much energy trying to score also that he would be doing half effort on defense.

but when I said it, I got roasted (not by you... just remembering old times on the board.)


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I think Doc is an acceptable coach. I look at the horizon and I do not really see a clear winner that out-ranks him. For Ballmer to renew a contract to a proven coach, I think is a step forward. It shows that he is serious and he is not here to "tank" or "test" or "tinker" around with the season. We have a team with no stars, we need a coach to bring the most out of the pieces left. So I think it is a good move. It gives us a fighting chance to draw a free agent star or two.

Testing a brand new coach is too risky and uncertain for my liking... we are no Boston or San Antonio.


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Dwane Casey wins Coach of the Year. Doc Rivers got some votes but didn't make the cut.


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jarca wrote:
That team sucks and no draft pick. Plus they’re stacked with bG albatross contract: I don’t envy piston fans at all hahahha

Wonder why they even traded for Blake given when they were going to fire Van Gundy.


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clippers88 wrote:
Wonder why they even traded for Blake given when they were going to fire Van Gundy.

They thought that once they got Blake they would make a strong playoff push. The 6th, 7th, 8th seed was there for the taking. Once Blake didn't put up big numbers and the losses started and they missed the playoffs along with their first rounder- then it became a wrap for Van Gundy. They were gonna either sink or swim after that Blake trade. And they sunk big time


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Blake is a great player and will be an excelkent asset for them moving forward. He just needs a few players around him as that remaining roster was one of the worst in the league. We’ll have to see what they can do moving forward before completely dismissing that trade.


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Blake is a great player and will be an excelkent asset for them moving forward. He just needs a few players around him as that remaining roster was one of the worst in the league. We’ll have to see what they can do moving forward before completely dismissing that trade.

I agree... as soon as we figure out a proper definition for "excelkent"

Dude is a bum, he wasn't the best player on our team, and he's not even the best player on Detroit's team. That roster managed to do just as good without him when he went out (injured again of course) before others got hurt and they lost all hope closing out the season.

Good riddance. Heck we got 32 games out of Harris and he started in Feb, which is the same amount we got from Blake Griffin the entire season before the trade.


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I should probably not be so hard on him... bum may be too strong of a word. He was no superstar and he was a waste of a #1 overall pick (hindsight being 20/20). He was not hungry to win or compete (at least not after hist first 2 seasons.) And he was soft in every sense of the word. His progress year after year was slow and ineffective - he still doesn't have any footwork, he still can't post up, he still can't overpower undersized defenders. But hey, he's got a halfway decent shot now - still painful to watch. He still stalls the offense and allows defense to recover, and while we are talking about defense - he doesn't play any.

But to be FAIR... he is great on the open court, and his passing ability is a strong asset.

So again, being fair... BG didn't play with Reggie Jackson. But I had my eye open on the Pistons, and our boy Reggie Bullock was playing out of his mind (and has been doing rather well actually.)

BG is not any team's answer to competing for anything special. He should be a 3rd option on a team that wants to deal any damage. I am glad that there was another team that was able to add to his value from the young Blake. I don't know if injuries slowed him down or fear or fear of injuries, but "allergic to the rim" Blake has been disappointing, glad we have Harris to replace him. As the video suggested, Stan made a bad move with Blake, and was fired for it (he was so bad as president of basketball operations, they decided it would be OK to lose him as a coach too.)


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^ dude LAC12 you are nuts! He was a waste of a first round pick? He singlehandedly made the Clippers not a laughing stock and made it so someone like CP3 actually wanted to play here and stay here (for a while). If we picked Curry 1st he probably wouldn’t have developed into the player he was. Same with Harden look at how much he developed after OKC.

He is a very good all star player who if he would play hard on defense and learn to be more aggressive throughout could be an unbelievable player.


Clemenza
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He definitely wasn't a waste of a first round pick. That's bullsh*t! He was a force to be reckoned with in the early part of his career and also made the Clipps a respectable and must see team to watch. Of course it started to go downhill in the later years but to say he was a wasted 1st rounder is asinine.


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Michael Olowokandi was a bum and wasted #1 pick and Blake was nothing close to this guy.


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I retract my statement... In an effort to soften the blow of calling him a bum, I said "waste of a #1 overall pick".

I was wrong, but clipperboy24 was more aligned to what I was thinking - what we could have had.

Heck even what Blake could have been gets me riled at my own statement, and makes me want to say it again (maybe even harsher.)

Aside from Steve Ballmer, the greatest thing to happen to this organization is CP3... and there would be no CP3 (maybe) without BG... so in a sense that BG was a monster in his early years, and landed us a CP3, he was worth it....

… but to also be the contributing force of blowing it all up, and not reaching his potential... I still burn. This was our only real shot, and we squandered it. This is why I still like the overachieving 2006 team better (or at least the wins were sweeter, and the losses less of a sting.) Only if BG was hungry to win, grew a pair and banged downlow effectively (ie, learning fundamental footwork for post moves), had less of an ego and co-led the team with CP, communicated and helped with team chemistry, gave CP more to work with by providing more offense and defense, and matured to not let off court dramas occur (punching staff, baby mama issues+Kardashian curse).

Yall can get to see why I call it a waste of a pick right?


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Not to mention the total irony that CP3 left BG and the Clippers to go play with the #3 pick in Griffin's draft class... I am not saying that he would've been the same player, but who is to say he would not have been better? Who is to say ALL OF HISTORY would not have been altered if Harden was not apart of the Thunder... the same team KD left to join Curry (surprise, surprise! Another member of Griffins draft class.)

Too many of the parts happen in 2009, and in 2018 the #3 pick and the #7 are duking it out in the WCF.

I am just sad to have landed THAT star that underwhelmed and has ended up on Detroit. Having given up the greatest player the Clippers have ever known who came to play for a REAL #1 pick.

So that is the pretense I use when I use the term "waste". Was he franchise changing? Yes. Did it amount to anything? Not ultimately. Better than picking Thabeet I guess. That would've been a better use of the term "waste". But, I really wonder what it would have been like to be #3 that year.


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LAC_12 wrote:
This is why I still like the overachieving 2006 team better

Weren’t you like 6 in 2006? How do you even remember that team?


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Best team was Brand/Sam. I wanted to keep Zbo and the picks but I was roundly ridiculed.


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We are in a way agreeing. The starting 5 for the old Celtics are all HOF My caveat was to get rid of the three point shot and allow hand checking. Remove the three point shot and Cousey was way better than Steph. They did not train and weight lifting was taboo. The average height on an NBA player was 6'3" and 175# now it's 6'7' and 220 #.

Cousey could break CP and Steph's ankles asleep. 19 assists in one half, never broken. 28 assists one game. One year 20 pts, 8.6 assist. 4 reb. IF ANY OF YOU KIDS HAVE NOT SEEN THE VIDEO OF HIM DRIBBLING OUT THE CLOCK, YOU HAVEN'T SEEN BASKETBALL. There is a 90 sec interview with him and he's shooting FT's. He shot the last one left handed. He hit them all and he was in his 60's. Chris who? This guy was the Point God.

Red Auerbach, one of the greatest coaches of all time, Cousey one of the GREATEST EVER Bill Russell arguably #4 GOAT. Sam Jones, KC Jones, Heinsoln, Havlichek, Sharman, Frank Ramsey, all HOF. Those guys were all on one squad at the same time or overlapping. Make Russell 7'3". He almost made the Olympic team in the high jump. He also held numerous track records at UCLA.. With diet and training he would be even better. Played under the rules in the 1960'e he would gave given MJ fits one on one. He could out jump MJ and was more agille.

Again it is the temporal but also depends on the rules. It's apples and oranges. Today, GSW hands down, Old Bulls may have been better with my caveats. Old School before the MJ Rules were applied,? No Brainer

This would make Wilt around 7'5" and over 300 # in his prime. They would have beaten skinny KD to death and as Oscar implied, Steph would have never hit a mid court shot because he would have been turned in to creamed corn first and in a less kind and gentle league they would have gotten away with it..


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Bob Cousey breaking ankles LMAO. Athletes today are faster, stronger, bigger, and more refined than the athletes 50 years ago.

You watch boxing like I do that’s like saying a 190 lb heavyweight in Rocky Marciano is gonna beat 235 lbs 6 foot seven Vlad or Vitality Klitchcho


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jarca wrote:
Bob Cousey breaking ankles LMAO. Athletes today are faster, stronger, bigger, and more refined than the athletes 50 years ago.

You watch boxing like I do that’s like saying a 190 lb heavyweight in Rocky Marciano is gonna beat 235 lbs 6 foot seven Vlad or Vitality Klitchcho

Not so sure about that. Wilt would dominate any center in the game. Jerry West. Dr. J, Elgin, heck even Kareem is getting there. All would be great today. Jim Brown, Gale Sayers, Barry Sanders, OJ, Dickerson etc. better than any running back today. Hogan, Nicklaus, Snead, Jones as good as any ever. Ali, Smokin Joe, Foreman, Shavers etc. are a class above Klitchko...I think he’d have been knocked out by any one of those guys. Frank Howard and Wilbur Stargell still the only two to hit balls out of Dodger Stadium. Koufax, and Gibson better than anyone today and those are just a few. They dominated athletes in their era for a reason. They were that great.


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Sorry, This was meant for a different post,

Read my caveat about adding weight and training methods and apples v oranges. Take the weight and size differential between Kitchko and everybody else in that era and the same with Rocky at the time. My comparison was a 220 lb Rocky Marciano with modern training methods (a non provable extrapolation) V 235 # Klithcko, Rocky wins, or a bigger John L Sullivan who's training was lots of beer cigars and V Klitchko with the same training , beer and stogies and bare knuckles. John L would destroy Klitchko bare knuckles, with present rules, Klitchko wins. The Celtics with a 7'3" Russell would destroy anybody pre three point shot. Given that caveat and let a bigger stronger Cous learn the present game - ankle surgery. for opponents. This is why Old School v New comparisons and GOAT preferences are a bit meaningless. GSW is the best of this generation at this size differential and with these rules. Last generation's rules, how about Draymond and Rodman? Malone? Different story.

I never said that Wilt would dominate anybody. or didn't mean to. What i did was to give you his and Russell's sizes if they were playing today. Quantity not quality. A 7'3" Russell would have made MJ's life miserable. A pick and roll switch would not be a bad thing.


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Dirtydunks wrote:
Not so sure about that. Wilt would dominate any center in the game. Jerry West. Dr. J, Elgin, heck even Kareem is getting there. All would be great today. Jim Brown, Gale Sayers, Barry Sanders, OJ, Dickerson etc. better than any running back today. Hogan, Nicklaus, Snead, Jones as good as any ever. Ali, Smokin Joe, Foreman, Shavers etc. are a class above Klitchko...I think he’d have been knocked out by any one of those guys. Frank Howard and Wilbur Stargell still the only two to hit balls out of Dodger Stadium. Koufax, and Gibson better than anyone today and those are just a few. They dominated athletes in their era for a reason. They were that great.

There’s a reason I picked Marciano because old timers overrate him but forgets that he was basically a cruiserweight today. He’s the equivalent of Bob Cousy. Cousy was great in his era but IMO his game and physical tools would not carry over into the modern era.

Foreman and Ali are equivalent to guys like Kareem and Wilt and these are the athletes that have the game and physical tools to play/compete in any era.


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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
Sorry, This was meant for a different post,

Read my caveat about adding weight and training methods and apples v oranges. Take the weight and size differential between Kitchko and everybody else in that era and the same with Rocky at the time. My comparison was a 220 lb Rocky Marciano with modern training methods (a non provable extrapolation) V 235 # Klithcko or a bigger John L Sullivan who's training was lots of beer cigars and V Klitchko with the same training , beer and stogies and bare knuckles. John L would destroy Klitchko bare knuckles, with present rules, Klitchko wins. The Celtics with a 7'3" Russell would destroy anybody pre three point shot. Given that caveat and let a bigger stronger Cous learn the present game - ankle surgery. for opponents. This is why Old School v New comparisons and GOAT preferences are a bit meaningless. GSW is the best of this generation at this size differential and with these rules. Last generation's rules, how about Draymond and Rodman? Malone? Different story.

No amount of training would make Rocky Marciano more athletic and taller lol. Maybe he can improve his wide punches, but he’s still too short against the Klitchos.


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jarca wrote:
No amount of training would make Rocky Marciano more athletic and taller lol. Maybe he can improve his wide punches, but he’s still too short against the Klitchos.

Again you are missing the point. Each generation is born bigger and stronger than the previous. Today Rocky would have been "born" at 210. Russell would have been "born" to be 7'3". The average player then was "born" to be 6'3. Now is 6'7". A 6'5" Oscar vs a 6'9" Magic is one thing, a 6'9" Oscar is another story and that's how big he would be now. The first caveat is the player's average gemerational size differential and compensation for it. Cous was 6'1" Now he would be 6'%. Wilt benched 4003 without training. When he traied he got to 500#. I am ATTEMPTING to evaluate relative, not absolute ability.


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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
Again you are missing the point. Each generation is born bigger and stronger than the previous. Today Rocky would have been "born" at 210. Russell would have been "born" to be 7'3". The average player then was "born" to be 6'3. Now is 6'7". A 6'6" Oscar vs a 6'9" Magic is one thing, a 6'9" Oscar is another story and that's how big he would be now. The first caveat is the player's average gemerational size differential and compensation for it.
I don't really understand what you are actually trying to say here. Where did you get this science from?


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Agent0 wrote:
I don't really understand what you are actually trying to say here. Where did you get this science from?

I know I am confused lol. But apparently I’m missing the point.

Lemme get this, if CP would have been born 50 years from now he would have been 6’7 according to his logic. Or DJ would have been a 7’6??


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Petit explains it all.If you've never heard of him, WATCH.He had over 100 stitches in his face and played with a cast. He would be close to 7' today and 260#. Steph would have had that many stitches.

http://www.tothemean.com/2014/08/26/hei ... n-nba.html

If CP were born 50 years ago he would have been maybe 5'7 and 180# and not nearly as strong. That CP would lose to today's CP even with the same skill level. You can't compare a 5'7" CP to Steph

Agent0, I asked your opinion about who you thought was best and I said I would shut up and listen and not argue.I just wanted your opinion. My point is simple. Players in the 50's were born physically different than now. Now the training is better. In order to compare Cous with Steph, to make it fair, if they were to go head to head, first give Cousy 4" and a lot more strength than he had plus technical advances. Then like in the 60's get rid of the 3 pt shot. Who is better? Cousy. A 6'3" Cous and a 6'3" Steph and adding the 3 makes it totally different. We don't know how good a 3pt shooter Cous was. Apples and oranges I didn't think that this would spark controversy. At 6'3" and no three, Cous would destroy CP. A 6' CP would have been fun to watch in the old school. He at 6' in 1960 would have kicked a**.

What i wanted to know is RELATIVE TO THEIR ERA who was the best?

Speaking of Cous breaking ankles, his opponents were trying to foul him and the whole team couldn't catch hi. Who is this glitzy NOW/ i post these for the kids. Fortunately or unfortunately, I remember this s*it.


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Jerediscool wrote:
Weren’t you like 6 in 2006? How do you even remember that team?

Yea, I joined Topbuzz in 2004 when I was 4... and I was a season ticket holder through the years, including 2006... when I was 6.

You're confusing me with someone else, or I would like to inform you your math is off.


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LAC_12 wrote:
Yea, I joined Topbuzz in 2004 when I was 4... and I was a season ticket holder through the years, including 2006... when I was 6.

You're confusing me with someone else, or I would like to inform you your math is off.

Hahaha I have no idea when you joined Topbuzz dude. I was just going based on the way you post and act and I could have sworn you once said you were young. My bad kid.


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Jerediscool wrote:
Hahaha I have no idea when you joined Topbuzz dude. I was just going based on the way you post and act and I could have sworn you once said you were young. My bad kid.

Making such astute observations on my posts, one would think you'd also see the "Joined" section stamped on every post. Alas, forgive the way I "act" on the board, or if my posts are written in a fashion that comes off as kid-ish. It is a fanboard after all, if you'd like me to send you other written works, I'd be glad to share.

Till then, stay in your lane junior.


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Jerediscool wrote:
Hahaha I have no idea when you joined Topbuzz dude. I was just going based on the way you post and act and I could have sworn you once said you were young. My bad kid.
Have to agree. His childish reply to my spelling of excellent (excelkent) was not even worthy of a response. I really was going to give him the beneffit of the doubt and thought he was about 12 or so after that.


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Have to agree. His childish reply to my spelling of excellent (excelkent) was not even worthy of a response. I really was going to give him the beneffit of the doubt and thought he was about 12 or so after that.

While I was disagreeing with that particular point, I tried to get creative. Sorry if it rubbed you the wrong way, wasn't my intention. Not sure if you're mad at the fact that I disagreed, or how I disagreed... But as I said, it's a fanboard, so forgive my spirited and playful responses y'all.

Can't promise that it'll change - in a season where we went from being a top 4 team, to irrelevant, just trying to keep things light.


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Casey is a better coach than Rivers, and that's even acknowledging Rivers did a fine job with what he had to work with this year. We should let Rivers go (trade him for a draft pick, like we did to get him in the first place) and pick up Casey.


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jarca wrote:
I know I am confused lol. But apparently I’m missing the point.

Lemme get this, if CP would have been born 50 years from now he would have been 6’7 according to his logic. Or DJ would have been a 7’6??

So.. in 1000 years, the average man will be 7 feet tall?


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This is not logic. It's called a measuring stick and a scale. It's called - SCIENCE. See my link. It will give you the evidence.

Average American male height 1871 was 5'5" now it's 5'10". I would bet that if you measured only whites and African Americas it would be even taller. In 1871 most of those measured would have been white or African American because that was all that was here. The average height of this generation of players is 2" greater than the last (people have measured them) and I would bet that the youngsters like Anthony Davis' generation are even taller than LeBron's generation. In 1950 CP would have been 5'7'- 5'8". EVERYBODY would have been shorter. Wilt was the second tallest in the NBA 7'2" and towered over everybody.. He would be 7'4" and maybe with 15# more muscle. Seven footers are now common. See my link. The weight (muscle) disparity is HUGE. How about football players? Isn't there a generational change? How many 300 plus pounders were around in 1970? Let's say that the Celtics could play GSW, the generational size difference would make it an unfair comparison. For PARITY, BOS has to be given 2 to 3 inches and 10#.. This was my point.

it wouldn't surprise me that one day the average height is 6'4" or so maybe in 100 years. There is an upper limit to size however mostly because bones and joints can handle only so much weight and the stress on hips and knees is out of proportion to growth. Then there's the cardiovascular system.

https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/u ... ntries.png

Old School. Anthony Mason or Charles Oakley would have put Draymond in the hospital.


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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
This is not logic. It's called a measuring stick and a scale. It's called - SCIENCE. See my link. It will give you the evidence.

Average American male height 1871 was 5'5" now it's 5'10". I would bet that if you measured only whites and African Americas it would be even taller. In 1871 most of those measured would have been white or African American because that was all that was here. The average height of this generation of players is 2" greater than the last (people have measured them) and I would bet that the youngsters like Anthony Davis' generation are even taller than LeBron's generation. In 1950 CP would have been 5'7'- 5'8". EVERYBODY would have been shorter. Wilt was the second tallest in the NBA 7'2" and towered over everybody.. He would be 7'4" and maybe with 15# more muscle. Seven footers are now common. See my link. The weight (muscle) disparity is HUGE. How about football players? Isn't there a generational change? How many 300 plus pounders were around in 1970? Let's say that the Celtics could play GSW, the generational size difference would make it an unfair comparison. For PARITY, BOS has to be given 2 to 3 inches and 10#.. This was my point.

it wouldn't surprise me that one day the average height is 6'4" or so maybe in 100 years. There is an upper limit to size however mostly because bones and joints can handle only so much weight and the stress on hips and knees is out of proportion to growth. Then there's the cardiovascular system.

https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/u ... ntries.png

Old School. Anthony Mason or Charles Oakley would have put Draymond in the hospital.

Pretty interesting stuff. The more you know


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At the very least, if Doc stays, we have a chance for a better assistant.


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clippyclip wrote:

At the very least, if Doc stays, we have a chance for a better assistant.

Very true. I wonder f the position will be given to an upstart young guy or someone who has just lost their head coaching job. A few years back when we had Alvin Gentry as assistant head coach that was amazing. Hopefully we have a good candidate to take that spot, and I'm definitely baffled by New York's interest in him.


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It’s official.

Doc gets his extension.


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Doc is Ballmer's tapeworm. Do you think Doc is only getting paid half now that he doesn't have dual roles?

Now waiting on the other shoe to drop. Does jr get a new contract?


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Hahahaha good thing Marijuana is now legal in CA cuz y’all gonna need to chill after hearing his contract has been extended


clippyclip
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I heard we're looking into signing Jeremiah, Spencer, and Callie Rivers, too.


cisco805
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jarca wrote:
Hahahaha good thing Marijuana is now legal in CA cuz y’all gonna need to chill after hearing his contract has been extended

Just when I was having a good day here comes the dam contract extension. 😤😤🤬🤬🤬🤬


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clippyclip wrote:
I heard we're looking into signing Jeremiah, Spencer, and Callie Rivers, too.

Hey the Clippers are working out LiAngelo Ball. Just shows the state of mind of this organization.


clipperboy24
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Snafu wrote:
Hey the Clippers are working out LiAngelo Ball. Just shows the state of mind of this organization.

I saw that earlier today on HoopsHype... so scary to think they’d even entertain him playing for us. But maybe there is more talent than it seems, he just better be pretty dang talented to have to deal with all the Ball family baggage that’s included


LAC_12
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http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=23585321


clipperboy24
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LAC_12 wrote:
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=23585321

Old news. Honestly if they just get rid of Austin I can deal with Doc. He finally is only coaching but Austin is the last negative on him. Still would rather have a young coach who could change things around but at least let’s get rid of Austin and that toxic father son relationship


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