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Lebron's son committed to play his high school basketball at Sierra Canyon. I'm betting that means Lebron is coming to LA. Probably to the Lakers.


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SamMays wrote:
It would have to. He's the only tradable asset we have other than draft picks. I would think it will be Harris, the two picks for a top five. Maybe a later first or second coming back. If Doncic is a great player, it will be worth it.
I sincerely doubt that we give up that much for him. I’m not even sure how that could go down money wise. That’s just not a deal I see us doing. Also Tobias is in the last year of an expiring contract making him even more valuable. I think and sincerely hope you are wrong. One of those choices plus Tobias should be plenty...if not just walk away because both picks plus Tobias is insanity. What if he isn’t a great player? Just don’t see it.


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I sincerely doubt that we give up that much for him. I’m not even sure how that could go down money wise. That’s just not a deal I see us doing. Also Tobias is in the last year of an expiring contract making him even more valuable. I think and sincerely hope you are wrong. One of those choices plus Tobias should be plenty...if not just walk away because both picks plus Tobias is insanity. What if he isn’t a great player? Just don’t see it.

Financially it's not much of an issue. A team would have to be able to handle Harris's deal, which most teams drafting high can do. Re: Harris being in the last year of his contract may actually make him less valuable. What is he going to command next year? He had a big year this past year. Could he get 25-million a season? If so, I'd rather trade him now than have to pay him that much to keep him. Some team could look at that and decide they don't want him if they don't think he's worth that much. Though I like him, I would tend to agree. There is a good chance that if we keep him, he leaves next year for nothing.

Bottom line, it comes down to what West and co. think of Doncic or Porter (who has also been mentioned as a Clipper draft target). West won't trade all that unless he believes we are getting a major star that we can build around. The reality is, whoever we get at 12 or 13 may not be as good as Austin Rivers, who was a # 10. How much are those picks worth then? You can say that Mitchell was a # 13, but the reality is, getting a player that good, that late, happens only once every six drafts or so. Most teams are looking at this draft as having 5 can't miss players, Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, Jackson and Bamba. Porter is only a can miss over injury concerns, and the latest medicals are saying, he's fine.

And Doncic and Porter are the only two non-centers in this list. The fact that we are linked to both of them and none of the others, speaks loudly, I think. West is looking for the offensive weapon to build around. We don't have anybody on this team who is a major building block. We have a few good players and some mediocre players.


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Euro league players always look like the next best thing until they get to the nba. Better than Dirk? Setting the bar pretty low eh?

Harris is a keeper. He is a great stretch 4 option than can also play SF. They aren’t easy to find.

I don’t think the point is to build around Harris, but he is a good piece. If we can get some big free agents in 2019 he can be a valuable piece on a contender.

2 draft picks for the price of one should be adequate enough to move up.


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Euro league players always look like the next best thing until they get to the nba. Better than Dirk? Setting the bar pretty low eh?

Harris is a keeper. He is a great stretch 4 option than can also play SF. They aren’t easy to find.

I don’t think the point is to build around Harris, but he is a good piece. If we can get some big free agents in 2019 he can be a valuable piece on a contender.

2 draft picks for the price of one should be adequate enough to move up.

But how much would you be willing to pay him next year? At 15 a year, sure. He is not going to take 15 a year. He will be asking for much more since he has played very well. I don't think would want to pay him 25 a year, but I think that's what he is going to get.


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Would you trade a top five for 12 and 13?


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With the current style of play going on in the league, I would hate to use a lottery pick on Robert Williams.


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But how much would you be willing to pay him next year? At 15 a year, sure. He is not going to take 15 a year. He will be asking for much more since he has played very well. I don't think would want to pay him 25 a year, but I think that's what he is going to get.

Tobias isn’t getting max money. He is not even an all star. He had a solid year. That’s about it.


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The Clippers are having a very interesting workout tomorrow Wednesday. Bringing in Miles Bridges, Kevin Knox, Aaron Holiday, and Mitchell Robinson..MITCHELL ROBINSON? Yes, the mystery man is an intriguing prospect. 7 footer with long arms, athletic, can shoot the mid range jumper and hit 3's, but is unknown in recent competitive play. Because he is more of the prototypical center the NBA is looking for today, is he under consideration at 13 instead of Robert Williams? Or are they looking for that player in case they make a trade that nets them a pick lower in the draft? It is said the Jerry likes long athletic players. So don't look for the Clippers to draft players who are undersized for their position.


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There are some that say trading our number 12 and 13 should be enough to get Doncic, who has been projected 2-4 in most mocks. Let's take an objective look at whether or not trading away your number 3 pick would be worth it for 12 and 13.

2017 Tatum for Kennard and Mitchell.

2016 J. Brown for Prince and Papagianis.

2015 Okafor for Booker and Lyles.

2016 Embiid for Saric and LaVine.

2015 O Porter for Adams and Olynyk.

2014 Beal for Lamb and Marshall.

2013 Kanter for Burks and Morris.

2012 Favors for Henry and Davis.

2011 Harden for Henderson and Hansbrough.

2010 Mayo for Thompson and Rush.

2009 Horford for Wright and Thornton.

2008 Morrison for Sefolosha and Armstrong.

2007 Williams for Korolev and May.

I for one, would insist on more than a 12 and 13 for my top five pick... The 12 and 13 got two guys who have been, are, or will be all-stars, Mitchell and Booker. The # 3 pick got 6 over that same period, Deron Williams, Horford, Harden, Beal, Embiid, Tatum. Add in Brown and Otto Porter as players at that next level below all-star and you have pretty clear evidence that one top five (three is in the middle of the top five) is a lot more valuable than a 12 and 13 together.


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Tobias isn’t getting max money. He is not even an all star. He had a solid year. That’s about it.

He's getting 15-million a year with his current contract and his numbers are going up. He's getting 20-million or more on his next one if he decides money is what is important to him.


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With the current style of play going on in the league, I would hate to use a lottery pick on Robert Williams.

Yeah. Management is more or less pushing DJ out of here. There is no way we would do that to pick up a clone of him.


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Moving up doesn’t mean top 3 picks. I don’t see anyone giving up a top 3 pick for anything less than a current all-star/superstar.

When I think of moving up I think realistically we are looking at 5-8. And for those I’m not giving up more than 2 picks 12 and 13.


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Clippers will only pursue Doncic if he drops to Memphis or Dallas other than that they will look at Porter Jr. or Keep their picks. 😊


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LV Summer League starts July 6. Clippers will play the Warriors on that day at 8:30pm ESPN.


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Clippers to workout Robert Williams next week.


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Clippers will only pursue Doncic if he drops to Memphis or Dallas other than that they will look at Porter Jr. or Keep their picks. 😊
personally would rather take my chances w/Porter's back rather than the Euro pedigree and defensive ?

recall coming across an NBA trade chart which had 12 & 13 equal to the sixth overall pick.... first choice still Jaren Jackson, followed by Wendell Carter, and....

would prefer to trade one of the picks and Tobias to move up for one of the above, and....

to trade the other pick w/Beverly or like to move up for Mikal Bridges.... front line of JJ, DJ and Mika!


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Here are some videos on doncic from 7 months ago. This youtuber has some in-depth content on most of the lottery picks so far..

jt thanks for posting these videos. I think from what I see there is that his defense does not look elite. However, it is certainly better than what some former players, ahem, cough, Blake Griffin, would do on defense. I think by those brief clips on a scale from 1-10 I would probably rate his defense (based on such a small viewing) as a 7. I think if we are to invest in a draft pick I definitely want a little more commitment on the defensive end. If we are going to trade away assets, I would rather us target one of the big men like Ayton or Bamba, who are a little more known for having that defense that our team desperately needs. Still, I think Sam Mays made a good point, if Jerry is targeting this kids maybe he knows something that the fans don't he's certainly a better judge of talent than I am.


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Bottom line, it comes down to what West and co. think of Doncic or Porter (who has also been mentioned as a Clipper draft target). West won't trade all that unless he believes we are getting a major star that we can build around. The reality is, whoever we get at 12 or 13 may not be as good as Austin Rivers, who was a # 10. How much are those picks worth then? You can say that Mitchell was a # 13, but the reality is, getting a player that good, that late, happens only once every six drafts or so. Most teams are looking at this draft as having 5 can't miss players, Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, Jackson and Bamba. Porter is only a can miss over injury concerns, and the latest medicals are saying, he's fine.

And Doncic and Porter are the only two non-centers in this list. The fact that we are linked to both of them and none of the others, speaks loudly, I think. West is looking for the offensive weapon to build around. We don't have anybody on this team who is a major building block. We have a few good players and some mediocre players.

True on all accounts. It would be hard to see Harris go, but for a high draft pick I would be fine with it. I just hope that if we do trade up for higher draft picks we package the 12th pick & + DJ + filler for a top 5 pick and the 13th + Harris + filler for another top 5 pick.

I would hate to see every major asset (12th pick, 13th pick, DJ, and Harris) we have gone for just one guy like Doncic. My ideal would be for us to somehow turn DJ, Harris, the 12th, 13th, and some filler for Bamba and Porter, but that's probably not likely.


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Who was the last player we "stole" from the draft?

Bledsoe and before that I would consider DJ a steal.

Draft isn't kind to the clippers


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You keep hearing that DeAndre Jordan wants to stay in L.A. through the Clips’ rebuild

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/06/04/morning-tip-2018-draft-team-need s-potential-players-luka-doncic-deandre-ayton


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Doncic and Mikal Bridges remind me of the draft w/Paul George and Gordon Hayward.


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Doncic and Mikal Bridges remind me of the draft w/Paul George and Gordon Hayward.

One is black the other is white?


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all rookie 2B team:

pg * Sexton

sg * Mikal

sf * Porter

pf * JJ

c5 * Wendell


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jarca wrote:
Who was the last player we "stole" from the draft?

Bledsoe and before that I would consider DJ a steal.

Draft isn't kind to the clippers

oh what coulda been.... save for the injury bug,


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Still haunted by passing on Bibby and taking Olowakandi


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MIkal Bridges - talent = Wesley Johnson


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I don't know anything about his measurements or agility testing but if they look good, this guy could be a nice draft and stash project for a rebuilding team. Youngest guy in the draft and has a lot of areas for improvement, but he looks like he can be a baller and just a fun guy to watch play. If you like sexton, he's a taller version in the second round.


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True on all accounts. It would be hard to see Harris go, but for a high draft pick I would be fine with it. I just hope that if we do trade up for higher draft picks we package the 12th pick & + DJ + filler for a top 5 pick and the 13th + Harris + filler for another top 5 pick.

I would hate to see every major asset (12th pick, 13th pick, DJ, and Harris) we have gone for just one guy like Doncic. My ideal would be for us to somehow turn DJ, Harris, the 12th, 13th, and some filler for Bamba and Porter, but that's probably not likely.

Wish we could do those trades, but unfortunately I think those are pipe dreams. It would probably take both picks and possibly Tobias to get into the top 5. With the top 15 talent in the draft I don’t think it’s worth it. But if we could do just the 12th and 13th and another filler it would be worth it.


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Wish we could do those trades, but unfortunately I think those are pipe dreams. It would probably take both picks and possibly Tobias to get into the top 5. With the top 15 talent in the draft I don’t think it’s worth it. But if we could do just the 12th and 13th and another filler it would be worth it.
12th and 13th plus filler is acceptable. The sun's hE expressed interest in DJ before. Perhaps DJ & 12 + 13 for the sun's #1 might get er done. I just would love to be able to flip Harris. He might be able to land us a 1st rounder


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12th and 13th plus filler is acceptable. The sun's hE expressed interest in DJ before. Perhaps DJ & 12 + 13 for the sun's #1 might get er done. I just would love to be able to flip Harris. He might be able to land us a 1st rounder
Suns ownership will be laughed at if they made that deal.


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Suns ownership will be laughed at if they made that deal.
Maybe, but people also didn't think Victor Oladipo and a few piece would get Paul George. In the end people were shocked at how little the Pacers got in return for George (Although Oladipo turned out to be better than anyone thought, at the time this was considered a bad deal for Indiana). The moral of the story is don't assume something is going to be rejected. The worst that can happen is they say no and you counter offer.


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Miles Bridges just landed in L.A. to workout for the Clippers. 😊


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pageC4 wrote:
12th and 13th plus filler is acceptable. The sun's hE expressed interest in DJ before. Perhaps DJ & 12 + 13 for the sun's #1 might get er done. I just would love to be able to flip Harris. He might be able to land us a 1st rounder

And what happens when that 1st rounder isn’t even as good as Harris?

I think many of you have unrealistic expectations of the draft and rookies.

If the pick isn’t 1-3 why would you give up a borderline all star who is still young for an unproven rookie who will most likely turn out to be a journeyman at best?

Every rookie outside of top 3 isn’t going to be Donovan Mitchell. They are very very rare.


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Steve Ballmer, Doc Rivers, Lawrence Frank, & Jerry West are all present at the workout. 😊


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pageC4 wrote:
Maybe, but people also didn't think Victor Oladipo and a few piece would get Paul George. In the end people were shocked at how little the Pacers got in return for George (Although Oladipo turned out to be better than anyone thought, at the time this was considered a bad deal for Indiana). The moral of the story is don't assume something is going to be rejected. The worst that can happen is they say no and you counter offer.
guy threatening to leave his team and asking to be traded is a little different from a no.1 pick.


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guy threatening to leave his team and asking to be traded is a little different from a no.1 pick.
So we should not try? Whether you or anyone else thinking it is impossible is irrelevant. The front office should always try and get the best return by offering the least amount as possible. Again, there is no loss in trying to offer one of these trades. If they say no, we adjust the trade. If their asking price is too high then we stay the course, draft at 12 and 13 and make other moves/


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Miles Bridges just landed in L.A. to workout for the Clippers. 😊
6'7" with a near 7'0 wingspan. he plays guard and forward, and most of the articles I'm seeing about him is that he doesn't necessarily fit in at any one position. To me this sounds interesting, and it can either be a bad thing or good thing. Jerry West seems to have an interest in him, so I'm curiosu to see what is going on there. The more that time goes by it seems like we might be narrowing the list down to Porter, Bridges, and Walker.


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So we should not try? Whether you or anyone else thinking it is impossible is irrelevant. The front office should always try and get the best return by offering the least amount as possible. Again, there is no loss in trying to offer one of these trades. If they say no, we adjust the trade. If their asking price is too high then we stay the course, draft at 12 and 13 and make other moves/
Yes, they should try. While they are "trying", might as well ask for Devin Booker and Josh Jackson to go along with the no.1 pick. Still "trying."


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Yes, they should try. While they are "trying", might as well ask for Devin Booker and Josh Jackson to go along with the no.1 pick. Still "trying."
Now you're being satirical. DJ + plus a first rounder and other players was not satirical, sarcastic, or a joke. From our stand point those are assets we are willing to give away that would not hurt us in our efforts to move forward. The best trade is not one that is even but one where you give up less than you give up. The Celtics did this beautifully with trading away old vets from the Boston Three Party. These are the kinds of things we should be trying to do. What you suggested is not even close to being a serious offer but an attempt at belittling a suggestion. Don't like it...don't post a response. But if you're looking for a back and forth of insults and belittling of opinion seek that elsewhere.


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MIkal Bridges - talent = Wesley Johnson
I always found it a big surprise that Wesley didn't pan out. He actually has some physical tools and flashes of great play. Why do you suppose Wesley never became a good player? You seem to be a detail oriented guy.


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I always found it a big surprise that Wesley didn't pan out. He actually has some physical tools and flashes of great play. Why do you suppose Wesley never became a good player? You seem to be a detail oriented guy.

I suspect Wesley doesn't like doing the dull fundamentals work in the off-season that could have made him a star. He came in as a very good athlete, good defender, mediocre shooter, poor ball handler. He went high in the draft because everyone thought he would improve these flaws. It's a natural expectation when playing basketball is your job. But Wesley has not improved in any of these fundamental skills one iota. This is about alone time in the gym. Put in the time and you get the results, if not in shooting, at the very least as a ball handler. He hasn't even improved at that.

Anything close to 40% from three would have made Wesley a star. He's at 33%.

To me this means he never had the ambition of being special. He was content to go as far as his athleticism would take him. When you see a player who doesn't improve his skill sets over a ten-year career it's because his off-season work ethic sucks.


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What needs to happen in order for the Clippers to gain some ground this coming season.

Players that “need” to go....

1.) DJ

2.)Milos

3.) Gallo

4.) Wesley

5.) Rivers

6.) Dekker

Players that need to come back

1.) Harris

2.) Harrell

3.) Bradley

4.) Wallace

5.) Beverly

6.) Thornwell

7.) CJ Williams

And add some good drafts picks and whatever good comes out of the G league we have a good chance to compete this season. I don’t think trading Harris and two drafts picks will guarantee us a superstar. Like many of you have said coaches will have to develop this prospect and who knows if it will work out for us in the long run.

So let’s see what Jerry has in stored for us this coming season.


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12th and 13th plus filler is acceptable. The sun's hE expressed interest in DJ before. Perhaps DJ & 12 + 13 for the sun's #1 might get er done. I just would love to be able to flip Harris. He might be able to land us a 1st rounder

If DJ was under contract maybe (and that is a big maybe) that would make sense. Without DJ under contract he will be hard to extract top dollar for


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If DJ was under contract maybe (and that is a big maybe) that would make sense. Without DJ under contract he will be hard to extract top dollar for
fair assessment. I think it might hurt us if players who signed with teams on a year remaining left...like Paul George. That might deter people from entertaining getting DJ


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Part of what dictates who we should trade depends on what direction the front office wants to go in. We have one year under the new West era, and so far what I see from his strategy are a few principles: salary cap considerations: Jerry does not want to be hampered by big contracts for players that don't bring elite talent. We saw this in his decision to trade Blake and the rumored reluctance to sign Chris Paul to the max (I believe they wanted a four year if rumors are correct). Based on these actions, DJ WILL be gone. The only question is whether it will be by trade (in the offseason or sign and trade like Blake), or an opt out. If Jerry can find a way to unload Gallo I think he might be gone too. Scouting overseas: The addition of Milos Teodosic indicates that unlike previous regimes, Jerry is not afraid to look for talent across the pond. This is going to be a breath of fresh air for this organization, which was very narrow minded under the Rivers regime and focused on former Lakers and Celtics veterans past their prime. An incorporation of the present and future: So far, I can tell that Jerry wants to have a competitive team now while not giving up his future to do so. This is evident in the fact that rather than give up after Paul bolted to the Rockets and rebuild, Jerry tried a motley crew of veterans like Gallinari, Beverley, Harrell, and others in a last ditch effort to get into the playoffs (it WOULD have worked if injury had not devastated this team). THIS is going to be the MAJOR challenge for both Doc and Jerry, as Doc is not known for developing players and Jerry believes in....


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cisco805 wrote:
What needs to happen in order for the Clippers to gain some ground this coming season.

Players that “need” to go....

1.) DJ

2.)Milos

3.) Gallo

4.) Wesley

5.) Rivers

6.) Dekker

Players that need to come back

1.) Harris

2.) Harrell

3.) Bradley

4.) Wallace

5.) Beverly

6.) Thornwell

7.) CJ Williams

And add some good drafts picks and whatever good comes out of the G league we have a good chance to compete this season. I don’t think trading Harris and two drafts picks will guarantee us a superstar. Like many of you have said coaches will have to develop this prospect and who knows if it will work out for us in the long run.

So let’s see what Jerry has in stored for us this coming season.

While I agree with most of your choices, I can't agree that this team will be remotely competitive. In fact, it will suck. Lucky to win 20 games even if the rookies are good. What next year is, is a build to the future. If we suck next year, we get a top 5 pick in 2019... And if DJ goes, we have nothing in the middle. Bradley is a good guard, but not much better than Rivers. Beverly is one note. Harris and Bradley are the only genuine starter quality players in that unit. Maybe Beverly, but he can't play point and neither can Bradley. It would be ugly.


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cisco805 wrote:
What needs to happen in order for the Clippers to gain some ground this coming season....

And add some good drafts picks and whatever good comes out of the G league we have a good chance to compete this season. I don’t think trading Harris and two drafts picks will guarantee us a superstar. Like many of you have said coaches will have to develop this prospect and who knows if it will work out for us in the long run.

So let’s see what Jerry has in store for us this coming season.

think my list might look a little different, as understand the logic in wanting an S&T w/for DJ, and.... sometimes you've got to stop making sense, i.e. if DJ wants to stay and our FO deems him a valuable asset.... he sticks around.

stay >> DJ, Wesley, Dekker, Harrell, Bradley, Wallace, Thornwell, Evans, Lou, Boban

go >> Rivers, Gallo, Milo, Harris, Beverly

we need to draft a pf, and of which seems either Jaren Jackson or Wendell Carter would require trading up for, and.... that'll prolly cost us both 12&13 and Tobias.

and personally, my opinion hasn't changed.... we have to put together a roster that can play defense first (no Doncic pls), i.e. Harrell, WeJo, DJ, Thornwell need to be more a part of things.

the thorn in the side of this organization is ever since the prodigal son took precedence over most any other backcourt player not named CP3.

and re: the draft.... some peoples are perhaps more comfortable w/their draft acumen than others.

again personally, suspect that there are three as safe as any pick in JJ, Carter and Mikal.... (am guessing Carter is the most gettable for us outta those three, and.... makes the most sense for us)


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LAbreakers wrote:
think my list might look a little different, as understand the logic in wanting an S&T w/for DJ, and.... sometimes you've got to stop making sense, i.e. if DJ wants to stay and our FO deems him a valuable asset.... he sticks around.

stay >> DJ, Wesley, Dekker, Harrell, Bradley, Wallace, Thornwell, Evans, Lou, Boban

go >> Rivers, Gallo, Milo, Harris, Beverly

we need to draft a pf, and of which seems either Jaren Jackson or Wendell Carter would require trading up for, and.... that'll prolly cost us both 12&13 and Tobias.

and personally, my opinion hasn't changed.... we have to put together a roster that can play defense first (no Doncic pls), i.e. Harrell, WeJo, DJ, Thornwell need to be more a part of things.

the thorn in the side of this organization is ever since the prodigal son took precedence over most any other backcourt player not named CP3.

and re: the draft.... some peoples are perhaps more comfortable w/their draft acumen than others.

again personally, suspect that there are three as safe as any pick in JJ, Carter and Mikal.... (am guessing Carter is the most gettable for us outta those three, and.... makes the most sense for us)

Lost me at the mention of WeJo


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cisco805 wrote:
What needs to happen in order for the Clippers to gain some ground this coming season.

Players that “need” to go....

1.) DJ

2.)Milos

3.) Gallo

4.) Wesley

5.) Rivers

6.) Dekker

Players that need to come back

1.) Harris

2.) Harrell

3.) Bradley

4.) Wallace

5.) Beverly

6.) Thornwell

7.) CJ Williams

And add some good drafts picks and whatever good comes out of the G league we have a good chance to compete this season. I don’t think trading Harris and two drafts picks will guarantee us a superstar. Like many of you have said coaches will have to develop this prospect and who knows if it will work out for us in the long run.

So let’s see what Jerry has in stored for us this coming season.

There's no way that we can be competitive next year. (PO material) With what we've got that's hard to expect. What we can be is exciting, with a future in the near future. Why land a superstar at a max contract when we don't have a supporting cast? A superstar now is a waste of cap space, even Leonard. Harris, Lou and Trezz, Thornwell. Everybody else can go. Keep Wallace depending on the offer sheet and it will have to be high for us to refuse it. We have no center, no starting PG, no back up SF, no back up PG (Beverly is old and injury prone) and a? back up center. Trezz is not a center and may not shoot well enough YET for PF. Bradley is a good journeyman 6'2" 180# but Thornwell is 6'5" and 212# Wallace is 6'5" and 202#. Thornwell did not embarrass himself guarding LBJ This is our core. Except Lou, no relics.

We need to grow our own star. Also what type of team and players for what style of play. You can't play the Memphis Grind with a skinny front court. You can't play small with Nesterovich. Pick your poison don't poison your pick Doc. Europe is a great place.


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