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clipper*joe
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The Los Angeles Clippers are running out of days for Tyrone Wallace and C.J. Williams on their two-way contracts.

Wallace has used 22 of his 25 allotted days in the NBA with the Clippers. Wallace could be signed for the remainder of the season by the Clippers.

C.J. Williams is currently out with a right ankle injury but he's in a similar position.

"Hopefully we can get something resolved pretty soon," Doc Rivers said. "We just got to figure out what we're going to do. We may be able to sign one."

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/2 ... J-Williams


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Its not even a question. Get Wallace a deal. If possible a multi year deal.


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Get Wallace sign then Jerry West persuade Austin to opt out of his deal. Let's see what's the open market will give him instead of Doc


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I would definitely sign Wallace over C.J. Especially since Bradley is hurt.


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Should be an easy decision IMO. CJ like Jamil before him is a rookie, but is not young, he's 28 years old he's in his "prime" already and right now his improvements would be adjusting to the league. Wallace, on the other hand, is 23 years old, turning 24 in June, he still has decent room to grow as a player not just in NBA experience, but in ability. I can't really see how there is a question here tbh.

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Get Wallace sign then Jerry West persuade Austin to opt out of his deal. Let's see what's the open market will give him instead of Doc
Hard to persuade a guy to opt out of his deal, but Clippers can just trade him. His contract compared to his production and contracts around the league is not bad at all, you'll definitely find takers.


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Agent0 wrote:
Should be an easy decision IMO. CJ like Jamil before him is a rookie, but is not young, he's 28 years old he's in his "prime" already and right now his improvements would be adjusting to the league. Wallace, on the other hand, is 23 years old, turning 24 in June, he still has decent room to grow as a player not just in NBA experience, but in ability. I can't really see how there is a question here tbh.

Contract isn't bad but as you can see with Barnes and Big Baby interview some people may interpret every decision as nepotism/favoritism. just to get rid of that dilemma. I'd rather lose Austin than Doc as a coach if I have to choose


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This seems a no brainer. Wallace is younger and probably already better. If we let CJ go, he could still be there for us if we want him. Wallace, on the other hand, gets snapped up and signed by another team in a second.


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jarca wrote:
Contract isn't bad but as you can see with Barnes and Big Baby interview some people may interpret every decision as nepotism/favoritism. just to get rid of that dilemma. I'd rather lose Austin than Doc as a coach if I have to choose
I agree, that's why I think the plan should be to just trade him, he doesn't need to opt out for that, let's try and get some value for him. Austin + pick to move up during the draft could be an option floated around also.


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CJ Williams is the better shooter, but yeah for sure Tyrone Wallace has the most potential and is the better overall player. I like them both though as they play solid D. Sindarius may be expendable?


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Get Wallace signed!


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SamMays wrote:
This seems a no brainer. Wallace is younger and probably already better. If we let CJ go, he could still be there for us if we want him. Wallace, on the other hand, gets snapped up and signed by another team in a second.

Exactly my thoughts... Wallace has played enough to have been noticed by others. I am pretty sure we will sign him.


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Get Wallace signed!

Agree with 626! Wattup man!


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powersurge95 wrote:
Get Wallace signed!
hopefully no others teams have taken notice of his skills


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No progress on signing Wallace. If the Clippers lose him they will look like major idiots.


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No progress on signing Wallace. If the Clippers lose him they will look like major idiots.

And that will be on Mr. West!


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jarca wrote:
And that will be on Mr. West!

I refuse to think Jerry would favor letting Wallace go and going after a washed up D Rose.


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I refuse to think Jerry would favor letting Wallace go and going after a washed up D Rose.

he's an adviser that gets paid lots of $$$$. So advise the clippers to sign him lol


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I take Ty Wallace. I really like his upside... I think he is a level headed kid that needs to work on his outside shooting. But if I am picking between the two, I pick the product of CALIFORNIA


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That would suck- not sure what the hold up is in signing Wallace- not wanting to spend the $ or unable to find a roster spot without dumping someone?


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I wonder if we will resign DJ?according to some here he's better than Embiid


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pageC4 wrote:
I wonder if we will resign DJ?according to some here he's better than Embiid

why don't you give out the names because I've yet to read anybody say that and I frequent this forum daily


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https://www.google.com/amp/s/thejnotes. ... ppers/amp/

Going to be interesting to see if someone signs him. Seems like he could help a playoff team (like us). I could see the Jazz picking him up again


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Wallace has been starting. How do you take him out of the starting lineup and just send him down to the G league?

CJ Wilson is not bad, but clearly Wallace is better.


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https://www.google.com/amp/s/thejnotes.com/2018/02/28/utah-jazz -tyrone-wallace-wont-retained-clippers/amp/

Going to be interesting to see if someone signs him. Seems like he could help a playoff team (like us). I could see the Jazz picking him up again

Jerry West messed up! All that praised y’all giving him and he did something as stupid as this


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I was on board but now its f*ck two way contracts


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If someone signs him, I am done for the season. He is/was we were looking for in a rebuild. If not now, when in the **** are we going to do it? I'm pissed.


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How much latitude does he have?

If he's free to sign anywhere, there are a lot of lower level teams with weak backcourts, where he would be guaranteed a lot of minutes and become part of the rebuild. As a young player, looking to earn my way and make some money, that is a better bet than being here battling for minutes with veterans Bradley, Rivers, Lou, Milos and Beverly, who are all on this roster. Obviously, not all of them will be back next year, and none of them are superstars, but all of them are solid contributors who are going to play unless somebody flat beats them out. This team will be a crap shoot for minutes going forward.

There are other teams where his odds would be much better.

I guess what I am saying is, is he free to look for a better offer from elsewhere. If so, he might be what is holding this up. I know that if I were him, at this stage of my career I'd be looking for money and minutes (the two often go hand in hand) over wins.


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^^^ A Lot of teams could use Wallace whether they're playoff bound or tanking. Young, athletic, cheap, with huge upside.. he's perfect for any rebuild. I'm positive he would've helped us stay in the game early on in that horrid first quarter last night. How many players have been gift wrapped to us and we've let go or didn't draft? Jerry West better not f*ck this up


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I see a lot of pessimism and jumping to conclusions on here.

The Clippers sought out Ty Wallace for their G league team. They valued him heavily way before any of us fans knew who he was. He's developed chemistry with the Clippers since pre-season, and given the star role on the AC Clips. He got brought up to the pros and was thrown right into the starting lineup. From day one Doc has always told Ty to "be you" and play his game. He flourished under that mentality, and has started in more than half the games he's been available. Most G leaguers don't even get to scratch the surface of what Ty has accomplished this year, and the Clips have created and benefitted from a near perfect opportunity for him to shine (traveling on a 2 way contract has been rough). By all accounts up until now It's been a mutually beneficial relationship.

I have No doubt the Clippers realize the importance of Ty Wallace more than we fans do, and it irks me that people think the FO is dumb for not doing "the obvious and easy thing". This is a revamped FO that made the brave and savvy trade of their superstar franchise player and has come out looking better for it only a few weeks later, even if you don't include the draft picks, cap space, and future flexibility.

Given that one (unconfirmed) report of the Clips and Ty not signing a contract for the rest of the year, you gotta believe that they're working on something to retain him and aren't just going to let him walk just like that. From what I understand, Ty can still sign a multi-year deal, and if I were Ty and his agent I'd certainly want that over a simple "rest of the year" contract.

I'm of the belief that he FO values Ty greatly and is doing their due diligence to make this work.


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So, my question remains. Is Ty free to negotiate and sign with any team in the NBA now that his two-way has expired?


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So, my question remains. Is Ty free to negotiate and sign with any team in the NBA now that his two-way has expired?


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ohMEohMy! wrote:

Wow. Thanks so much for putting my mind at ease. Basically, same story as last night. We still have him only we can't bring him up until he is signed to a reg contract. That means he's still ours this season. Only he has to play in the G-league.

Feel so much better. Repped!


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ohMEohMy! wrote:

I have No doubt the Clippers realize the importance of Ty Wallace more than we fans do, and it irks me that people think the FO is dumb for not doing "the obvious and easy thing". This is a revamped FO that made the brave and savvy trade of their superstar franchise player and has come out looking better for it only a few weeks later, even if you don't include the draft picks, cap space, and future flexibility.

Given that one (unconfirmed) report of the Clips and Ty not signing a contract for the rest of the year, you gotta believe that they're working on something to retain him and aren't just going to let him walk just like that. From what I understand, Ty can still sign a multi-year deal, and if I were Ty and his agent I'd certainly want that over a simple "rest of the year" contract.

I'm of the belief that he FO values Ty greatly and is doing their due diligence to make this work.

Don't be irked.. you should know we're all in the process of re-conditioning our brains to reassure ourselves that we now have a competent front office these days after all those inept years of Doc running the team into the ground.


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Don't be irked.. you should know we're all in the process of re-conditioning our brains to reassure ourselves that we now have a competent front office these days after all those inept years of Doc running the team into the ground.

Great point!


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Guys, he converts to being a restricted free agent. not a free agent. Nobody other than us can sign him, unless we decline to match. And that's not even until after the end of this season. For this season, either we sign him, or else he stays in the G-League and we retain his rights for the season. There is no scenario where someone else can grab him from us this season, and no scenario where someone else can pick him up in the off-season unless we decline to match.

From what I can tell, this whole thing is a negotiation, and Jerry West seeing if he can find someone better than Wallace before he commits to that player slot on the team, while Wallace sees if he can get a better offer from someone else during the off season.

So, don't panic.


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clipper*joe wrote:
Wow. Thanks so much for putting my mind at ease. Basically, same story as last night. We still have him only we can't bring him up until he is signed to a reg contract. That means he's still ours this season. Only he has to play in the G-league.

Feel so much better. Repped!

I believe that the F/O has a better plan that's why they don't want to commit with Ty or CJ, signing one of them will make us better, but the question is can we be in the top 8 and if we will, we can not move to the second round, so there's not point, it's better if we will just stick to what we have now, and just try to play, a P/O spot is just a bonus.


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Jerry West is not Elgin Baylor (off the court)


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toohipcliptoslip wrote:

Jerry West is not Elgin Baylor (off the court)

Skip and Shannon actually debated some good points but WTH did I just watch on the first video. Was that supposed to be a comedy or was he for real


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Is there a difference? Reality is usually funnier than any of that sh*t comedians can come up with.


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I like CJ too, but the obvious choice here is Wallace. The kid has a lot more upside potential than CJ at 28.


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Not sure but I remember reading that since the GLeague season ends April 1st the 2 way players are then free to play with their NBA teams for the playoffs. Again, mot sure but I read something like that at the beginning of the year.


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ArtMaggot wrote:

If true we need to find a way to keep him. I hope we didn’t lose ball him.


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ArtMaggot wrote:

I’m not sure who the guy tweeting is, but 4 years sounds good to me. Why would ty Wallace turn that down? Unless the offer was really really low like 1 mil for 4 years.


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JudahDub wrote:
I’m not sure who the guy tweeting is, but 4 years sounds good to me. Why would ty Wallace turn that down? Unless the offer was really really low like 1 mil for 4 years.

I'm hearing the last 3 years of the deal are non guaranteed... smh

Is Ballmer the owner or is it Donald Sterling?


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Hopefully we follow up with Option #1 or #2


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ArtMaggot wrote:

Get that $$$ TY


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Thanks

I don't understand option #2.


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option 2 is sign him to a long term deal now. but that effects flexibility with the cap this summer.


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This is looking like a high priced all-star free agent looking for a big contract. Ty must be feeling his oats. He must be reading all the praise and is getting bold on contract demands? I don't mind DJ walking but Ty is just the kind of player a team needs in a rebuild. There is a chance we lose him. I wish we had jettison some more players at the trade deadline. Now we have to wait till the off-season to resolve this.


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