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What are your thoughts on the game against the Brooklyn Nets? What are the Clippers keys to get a win? Who on the on should LA watch out for? Will the game be very high-scoring or first to 90 gets the W?


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If all goes well, I will be in attendance.


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Looking forward to all the blame Austin post.


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LAC_12 wrote:
If all goes well, I will be in attendance.

OH nice! Rep a clippers jersey!


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Looks like Austin got the start over Milos, just like Dad likes it.


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ArtMaggot wrote:
Looking forward to all the blame Austin post.
Austin is ruining the tank, boo that guy


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@Boston @GSW @Suns @Denver. Tough four games gotta get this W


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@Boston @GSW @Suns @Denver. Tough four games gotta get this W
At least we have the Suns, nice to see the team blowing out Brooklyn though, just finish it off


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At least we have the Suns, nice to see the team blowing out Brooklyn though, just finish it off

Piston lose = higher draft picks

Piston win = clippers move up the standing

Hmmmm


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I can see Boban playing in the last few minutes.


david
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Nice beatdown thus far- and yes would love to see Bohan get some minutes finally.


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Can we get this type of performance from DJ every game? He was a beast tonight


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Wow the Nets are horrible. I'm sure they'll be good eventually. But man are they paying the price for that Boston deal.


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Can we get this type of performance from DJ every game? He was a beast tonight

We can if we always play a bad team every night.


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Ty Wallace = 0 minutes.

Dekker= 4 minutes

Wesley =10 minutes

Rivers= 35 minutes

Doc is doing the same damn thing!

Ty went from 16 minutes...15 minutes...0 minutes the moment Austin came back.


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clipper*joe wrote:
Ty Wallace = 0 minutes.

Dekker= 4 minutes

Wesley =10 minutes

Rivers= 35 minutes

Doc is doing the same damn thing!

Ty went from 16 minutes...15 minutes...0 minutes the moment Austin came back.

Be careful, Doc is here in the forum lol


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clipper*joe wrote:
Ty Wallace = 0 minutes.

Dekker= 4 minutes

Wesley =10 minutes

Rivers= 35 minutes

Doc is doing the same damn thing!

Ty went from 16 minutes...15 minutes...0 minutes the moment Austin came back.

Yeah hmmm Austin gets into the starting lineup right after injury, while Milos loses his spot when he came back from being hurt. Good W though- would be nice if the other guys got more minutes- bet the result would have been just as good.


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clipper*joe wrote:
Ty Wallace = 0 minutes.

Dekker= 4 minutes

Wesley =10 minutes

Rivers= 35 minutes

Doc is doing the same damn thing!

Ty went from 16 minutes...15 minutes...0 minutes the moment Austin came back.

I’ve been saying. Soon as Austin comes back Wallace moves out of rotation


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Somebody said something positive about shortening rotations as if it was good. With this team there is no reason not to play most guys.


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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
Somebody said something positive about shortening rotations as if it was good. With this team there is no reason not to play most guys.

And that there is what i meant by Doc doing the same damn thing.


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jarca wrote:
Piston lose = higher draft picks

Piston win = clippers move up the standing

Hmmmm

I'll take the Pistons loss. The honeymoon is possibly over for the Pistons, they are now 4-3 with Blake, lost 3 in a row, and Blake is shooting 41% FG / 25% 3PT. They might need to find a way to adjust and get Blake easier looks and more assisted baskets.


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I wouldn’t be surprise if Wallace will sent back to Agua Caliente now that Austin is back.


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clipper*joe wrote:
Ty Wallace = 0 minutes.

Dekker= 4 minutes

Wesley =10 minutes

Rivers= 35 minutes

Doc is doing the same damn thing!

Ty went from 16 minutes...15 minutes...0 minutes the moment Austin came back.

Criticism is fair if we would have lost. But we won with ease so if he distributed the minutes properly we would have won by 30?


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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
Somebody said something positive about shortening rotations as if it was good. With this team there is no reason not to play most guys.

There are 240 minutes to spread out a game. I would think that you would generally keep Gallo/Harris/Jordan at 32-33 mpg. Williams at 31-32 mpg. Rivers/Bradley/Teodosic at 25-28 mpg. Those 7 players would take about 208 minutes, leaving 32 minutes, which would be at forward at C, nothing available at the guard positions, so you're looking at someone like Harrell getting 16 mpg, and Johnson 16 mpg.

In terms of Wallace's minutes, there are just too many guards. If Williams/Austin/Milos/Bradley all played 24 minutes, that's all the minutes at PG/SG, and those are low minutes for all those guys. I do see the dilemma the coaching staff is facing when it comes to guard minutes.


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Criticism is fair if we would have lost. But we won with ease so if he distributed the minutes properly we would have won by 30?

No really. we played the Nets. Are we waiting to play the warriors so we can give the young guys some time? The guys that have lost their minutes earned their keep. Austin was out a long time and he instantly gets 30+ minutes but Milos is out 2 games, and he play 14 minutes? Wallace earned his keep and having his minutes completely cut-off is right because we won one of the worst teams? Yeah, I guess he's saving them for the post season.


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There are 240 minutes to spread out a game. I would think that you would generally keep Gallo/Harris/Jordan at 32-33 mpg. Williams at 31-32 mpg. Rivers/Bradley/Teodosic at 25-28 mpg. Those 7 players would take about 208 minutes, leaving 32 minutes, which would be at forward at C, nothing available at the guard positions, so you're looking at someone like Harrell getting 16 mpg, and Johnson 16 mpg.

In terms of Wallace's minutes, there are just too many guards. If Williams/Austin/Milos/Bradley all played 24 minutes, that's all the minutes at PG/SG, and those are low minutes for all those guys. I do see the dilemma the coaching staff is facing when it comes to guard minutes.

Great point! People just want to see what they want to. With Milo back that’s a 4 guard rotation already


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No really. we played the Nets. Are we waiting to play the warriors so we can give the young guys some time? The guys that have lost their minutes earned their keep. Austin was out a long time and he instantly gets 30+ minutes but Milos is out 2 games, and he play 14 minutes? Wallace earned his keep and having his minutes completely cut-off is right because we won one of the worst teams? Yeah, I guess he's saving them for the post season.

Ok I get ur point but let’s say we take away 10 mins from Austin and he played 25 which is reasonable minutes for him. You give that 10 to Wallace just to give him more experience or you extend Milo’s minutes to 25?

4 guards are in the rotation already so I'm the perfect world give me the right amount of guys who should be on the court and how minutes from top to bottom each one should get


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clipper*joe wrote:
No really. we played the Nets. Are we waiting to play the warriors so we can give the young guys some time? The guys that have lost their minutes earned their keep. Austin was out a long time and he instantly gets 30+ minutes but Milos is out 2 games, and he play 14 minutes? Wallace earned his keep and having his minutes completely cut-off is right because we won one of the worst teams? Yeah, I guess he's saving them for the post season.

Ok I get ur point but let’s say we take away 10 mins from Austin and he played 25 which is reasonable minutes for him. You give that 10 to Wallace just to give him more experience or you extend Milo’s minutes to 25?

4 guards are in the rotation already so I'm the perfect world give me the right amount of guys who should be on the court and how minutes from top to bottom each one should get


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jarca wrote:
Great point! People just want to see what they want to. With Milo back that’s a 4 guard rotation already

Milos 15 minutes

Bradley 27 minutes

Lou 29 minues

AUSTIN 35 minutes

Gee, people really do see what they want to see.


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jarca wrote:
Ok I get ur point but let’s say we take away 10 mins from Austin and he played 25 which is reasonable minutes for him. You give that 10 to Wallace just to give him more experience or you extend Milo’s minutes to 25?

4 guards are in the rotation already so I'm the perfect world give me the right amount of guys who should be on the court and how minutes from top to bottom each one should get

You don't completely cut-off Wallace's minutes. He earned his keep.


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The jazz are coming. The jazz are coming. These guys are making a major push. They're just 1 game behind us.


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clipper*joe wrote:
You don't completely cut-off Wallace's minutes. He earned his keep.

Kindly break down the amount of minutes each player should get From top to bottom


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Milos 15 minutes

Bradley 27 minutes

Lou 29 minues

AUSTIN 35 minutes

Gee, people really do see what they want to see.

So besides Austin every player's minutes are distributed properly?


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With all this debates about the minutes distribution, it just makes us clear that father and son is not good in one team. One hopefully will leave this summer.


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clipper*joe wrote:
No really. we played the Nets. Are we waiting to play the warriors so we can give the young guys some time? The guys that have lost their minutes earned their keep. Austin was out a long time and he instantly gets 30+ minutes but Milos is out 2 games, and he play 14 minutes? Wallace earned his keep and having his minutes completely cut-off is right because we won one of the worst teams? Yeah, I guess he's saving them for the post season.

I was yelling MULTIPLE TIMES to put Wallace in... 100% agree. These are the games to play Wallace.


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There are 240 minutes to spread out a game. I would think that you would generally keep Gallo/Harris/Jordan at 32-33 mpg. Williams at 31-32 mpg. Rivers/Bradley/Teodosic at 25-28 mpg. Those 7 players would take about 208 minutes, leaving 32 minutes, which would be at forward at C, nothing available at the guard positions, so you're looking at someone like Harrell getting 16 mpg, and Johnson 16 mpg.

In terms of Wallace's minutes, there are just too many guards. If Williams/Austin/Milos/Bradley all played 24 minutes, that's all the minutes at PG/SG, and those are low minutes for all those guys. I do see the dilemma the coaching staff is facing when it comes to guard minutes.

Great break down Very Happy


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I would've loved to have seen more Wallace and less Austin in the game. But I get the point that we are loaded with guards.


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I 100% percent agree minutes should be distributed more evenly. I have been really hard on Austin this year, but one thing I must say is compared to the other guards ( Milos, Wallace, Bradley) Austin brings a little more of an overall game. Not saying he's better than any of them but each of those other guards lack something Austin can be slightly better or the same. Example Milos is a defensive liability, Bradley has been inconsistent offensively, and Wallace jump shot isn't that pretty. Austin brings a little bit of all of them and I REPEAT not saying he deserves those minutes.


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jarca wrote:
Kindly break down the amount of minutes each player should get From top to bottom
This is what always gets me. Initially I thought to myself too "yea, Wallace should have played more minutes, what's wrong with the coaching staff", and I was going to outline how based on total available minutes. So I was posting that, then I looked at the available minutes and even with my feeling that he's earned his minutes, so has everyone else, and I just couldn't see where reasonable minutes for Wallace would come from. Teams don't really have 5 rotation guards playing nightly. One reason is that it's not even a good way to run a rotation because then you're bringing guys in and out too much. The guards that played already took 10 SF minutes with 3 guard lineups.

Minutes distribution is definitely one of those things that at times I want to criticize, then I try to figure out the alternative and don't really see one, so I just go back in my hole.


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I 100% percent agree minutes should be distributed more evenly. I have been really hard on Austin this year, but one thing I must say is compared to the other guards ( Milos, Wallace, Bradley) Austin brings a little more of an overall game. Not saying he's better than any of them but each of those other guards lack something Austin can be slightly better or the same. Example Milos is a defensive liability, Bradley has been inconsistent offensively, and Wallace jump shot isn't that pretty. Austin brings a little bit of all of them and I REPEAT not saying he deserves those minutes.
This is exactly why I hate the father /son dynamic and I've said it before. I want one gone just to have that dynamic off the team. Even if Doc did everything perfectly and there was no favoritism, nothing like that, there's always going to be a feeling that there is, this is even if there wasn't objectively any, which u can't say the isn't..and that's because it's also subjective to analyze that.

Having a son that is mediocre is the hard dynamic. If they are a star is easy, they get big minutes, no one cares. If they are a scrub it is easy, they are a bottom of rotation player. When they are good enough to play, but not a star, this is where you get in trouble.


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I'm not coaching but if I was, I would do what Lawler said the coaching staff was going to do. Have Austin play in limited minutes. That is what Lawler said they were going to do when he came back. They never did that. Austin got the start when Wallace was the starter. You don't cut a players minutes from 26 minutes to ZERO as soon as the son comes back from his annual injuries. How does that look to the other guys who just came here? How does that look to the other guards on this team? What do you think Wallace is going through right now that he's been cut out completely? So why would I break down what each player gets? My problem isn't with everyone's minutes, it's playing your son the most minutes as soon as he comes back from injury. Some players are suffering after they earned their minutes and it looks like Doc is going after Wes, Dekker, and Wallace's minutes because those are the guys he knows won't make a fuss. Since Austin came back, he's logged in the most minutes from ALL guards. In philly, he logged in 31 minutes. Most minutes amongst all guards. In Detroit, he logged in the most minutes amongst all guards at 33 minutes. In Brooklyn, he logged in 35 minutes. Most amongst all guards. Notice the pattern? He's been averaging more minutes than Lou since he's been back...Seriously? All I am going to say is that as the season progresses, watch the team and watch to see if these players start changing in terms of the way they play. Watch the ball movement. We had some of the best ball movement when Austin was out. lets see if these players stop playing for each....


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The most stupid thing is that Wallace is on the clock regarding his two-way contract. Doc just burned one day out of his 24 allowable days for nothing... at least one day, actually, because travel and practice days with the team count, too.

Did Blake getting traded give us any more flexibility to sign Wallace full-time without hitting repeater tax territory? I can't find any info on that.

Wouldn't surprise me if Doc is burning through his days so that we can't use the biggest threat to Austin's future with the team anymore.

Either way, having Wallace with the team when you have four healthy guards whom you consider "better" than him -- and not playing him -- is a monumentally stupid move, regardless of any nepotism.


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The most stupid thing is that Wallace is on the clock regarding his two-way contract. Doc just burned one day out of his 24 allowable days for nothing... at least one day, actually, because travel and practice days with the team count, too.

Did Blake getting traded give us any more flexibility to sign Wallace full-time without hitting repeater tax territory? I can't find any info on that.

Wouldn't surprise me if Doc is burning through his days so that we can't use the biggest threat to Austin's future with the team anymore.

Either way, having Wallace with the team when you have four healthy guards whom you consider "better" than him -- and not playing him -- is a monumentally stupid move, regardless of any nepotism.

Perfectly said. These g-league guys have it hard.


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Since Austin came back, he's logged in the most minutes from ALL guards. In philly, he logged in 31 minutes. Most minutes amongst all guards. In Detroit, he logged in the most minutes amongst all guards at 33 minutes. In Brooklyn, he logged in 35 minutes. Most amongst all guards. Notice the pattern? He's been averaging more minutes than Lou since he's been back...Seriously?

All I am going to say is that as the season progresses, watch the team and watch to see if these players start changing in terms of the way they play. Watch the ball movement. We had some of the best ball movement when Austin was out. lets see if these players stop playing for each other as Doc props up his son as the face of this franchise. People thought I was joking about that. I wasn't.

How are players going to want to come here on their own when they see they have to compete with that.? It's not even that...How many players would like to come here but based on the fact that Doc is coaching his son, decide it is too much of a headache to come here and deal with that? That's another problem we have just having Austin here. Players don't like him.

So technically, you're fined with the rotation with the exception of Austin.

Any other grievances about Austin besides minutes? Points, FG %, defense from last night?

In regards to Wallace situation, he isn't the first to lose minutes when somebody comes back from injury. Just look at the spurs and our very own Boban who went 8-8 one night because players were "injured" then had 10 DNP in a row. Or Omar Caspi getting 30 mins while Durant was out then had some DNPs. It happens a lot more the NBA than you think


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So technically, you're fined with the rotation with the exception of Austin.

Any other grievances about Austin besides minutes? Points, FG %, defense from last night?

In regards to Wallace situation, he isn't the first to lose minutes when somebody comes back from injury. Just look at the spurs and our very own Boban who went 8-8 one night because players were "injured" then had 10 DNP in a row. Or Omar Caspi getting 30 mins while Durant was out then had some DNPs. It happens a lot more the NBA than you think

Ok, you're missing the point. At what point was Austin MADE a starter? I can see guys losing their time if they know the starter is coming back. Austin was and always has been a reserve. The same as Ty Wallace, and every other reserve on the bench. Milos is our starter yet only gets 14 minutes and Doc lets his son run the point most of the game? Sorry, if Patrick came back tomorrow, you think Patrick would get the same amount of time at the expense of Austin? You think Patrick would get his job back? If you say Austin beat him out,well, Ty beat Austin out while he was injured...like always. It doesn't make any sense. Actually, it makes perfect sense.


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Perfectly said. These g-league guys have it hard.

I'm quite serious in my question, though... Does dealing Blake make it possible to give Wallace a full contract without paying millions in extra tax?

Maybe one of our resident cap gurus can help me out.

Because if we eventually have to let Wallace go, last night was nothing short of professional malpractice from Doc and the FO.


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Ok, you're missing the point. At what point was Austin MADE a starter? I can see guys losing their time if they know the starter is coming back. Austin was and always has been a reserve. The same as Ty Wallace, and every other reserve on the bench. Milos is our starter yet only gets 14 minutes and Doc lets his son run the point most of the game? Sorry, if Patrick came back tomorrow, you think Patrick would get the same amount of time at the expense of Austin? You think Patrick would get his job back? If you say Austin beat him out,well, Ty beat Austin out while he was injured...like always. It doesn't make any sense. Actually, it makes perfect sense.

First game in Clippers uniform, Bradley took Wallace's spot. Just happened that Austin came back against Detroit while Milo was injured and that's where he became a starter. If Milo did not get hurt again, Austin would have come off the bench just like he did early on.


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I'm quite serious in my question, though... Does dealing Blake make it possible to give Wallace a full contract without paying millions in extra tax?

Maybe one of our resident cap gurus can help me out.

Because if we eventually have to let Wallace go, last night was nothing short of professional malpractice from Doc and the FO.

does injured players count towards your roster caused we're under 15 active players ATM


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I'm quite serious in my question, though... Does dealing Blake make it possible to give Wallace a full contract without paying millions in extra tax?

Maybe one of our resident cap gurus can help me out.

Because if we eventually have to let Wallace go, last night was nothing short of professional malpractice from Doc and the FO.

I have not been following the cap for over a season now. so I can't answer that. I'd sure like the answer to that too. If we can lock Wallace up now, why haven't we? It's pretty much a no-brainer.

I just feel bad for the kid. He was already being written about in the press. This guy has talent and it'll be a crime letting him go.


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I have not been following the cap for over a season now. so I can't answer that. I'd sure like the answer to that too. If we can lock Wallace up now, why haven't we? It's pretty much a no-brainer.

I just feel bad for the kid. He was already being written about in the press. This guy has talent and it'll be a crime letting him go.

I think, deep down, you know the answer to that.

Maybe if his dad were head coach...?


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