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SamMays
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Definitely wait until after the trade deadline to reconfigure the Newssurge banner.


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SamMays wrote:
Lots of talk about Bradley going to OKC.

I read a lot of this but what OKC can give us?, nobody knows, because they don't have.


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cobra wrote:
I read a lot of this but what OKC can give us?, nobody knows, because they don't have.

Their first rounder this year is the talk.


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SamMays wrote:
Their first rounder this year is the talk.
They definitely need Bradley, but I think a first rounder for Bradley might be asking for a little too much. Maybe we should be looking for something more realistic like a second rounder.


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Tobias is the the guy we needed 3 years ago. I wanted him then and had Barnes back him up off the bench. Would've made a huge difference.


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pageC4 wrote:
They definitely need Bradley, but I think a first rounder for Bradley might be asking for a little too much. Maybe we should be looking for something more realistic like a second rounder.
No thanks


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pageC4 wrote:
They definitely need Bradley, but I think a first rounder for Bradley might be asking for a little too much. Maybe we should be looking for something more realistic like a second rounder.

A second rounder is nothing. Bradley is a starting level player on most teams. A first rounder for OKC will be 20 - 25. It's a perfect ask.


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I believe we should keep Bradley this off season. He’s still young.


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LA_Clipper818 wrote:
I believe we should keep Bradley this off season. He’s still young.

Exactly. Not sure what these guys are talking about. We ain’t drafting nobody in the second round as good Bradley. It’s a stupid trade IMO.

Bradley looked good first 2 games. Let’s keep him.


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Exactly. Not sure what these guys are talking about. We ain’t drafting nobody in the second round as good Bradley. It’s a stupid trade IMO.

Bradley looked good first 2 games. Let’s keep him.

Depend on what Bradley will ask for. Give him an Austin River contract at 12/year


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SamMays wrote:
A second rounder is nothing. Bradley is a starting level player on most teams. A first rounder for OKC will be 20 - 25. It's a perfect ask.
I hope your assessment is correct. I would love to have three picks this year


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I think the plan is to package multiple picks for one high one.


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OKCs record doesn't show it, but especially after obliterating the Warriors yet again, management has to feel confident about their playoff chances. They can beat any team in the top 4. With that in mind, they'll likely put all their chips on the table this year. I think they're gonna go hard after Bradley, they need more defense after losing Roberson. DJ, Bradley, Lou -- All these guys are difference makers for championship teams. We need to be greedy if we're gonna shop them.

On a side note, am I the only that likes the team as is? Lol. I kinda want to stick with what we have and resign Bradley.


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Tobias Harris looks like a younger Paul George. He is shooting over 40% from 3Pt and has excellent abilities getting to the basket. I think skies the limit on him. With Avery Bradley paired with Patrick Beverly, they could be a super lock down backcourt with 3 point shooting ability. I like the idea of keeping the team as is. My only play would be to somehow get Marcus Smart to join this group and we might be looking at a team that can compete.


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Where are our big guards? If Gallo bangs with some big PF, he's gonna get hurt. How about some size? Where's our long SF? Where's our back up center, and not Trezl. Harris is a keeper.


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slestack11 wrote:
Tobias Harris looks like a younger Paul George. He is shooting over 40% from 3Pt and has excellent abilities getting to the basket. I think skies the limit on him. With Avery Bradley paired with Patrick Beverly, they could be a super lock down backcourt with 3 point shooting ability. I like the idea of keeping the team as is. My only play would be to somehow get Marcus Smart to join this group and we might be looking at a team that can compete.
Naw he reminds me more of a younger Carmelo minus the chucking, Tobias has the size but needs to work on his defense. Once his defense starts to match his offense he can make a case for allstar until he just a good scoring small forward.


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cashdld wrote:
Naw he reminds me more of a younger Carmelo minus the chucking, Tobias has the size but needs to work on his defense. Once his defense starts to match his offense he can make a case for allstar until he just a good scoring small forward.
Well, I can't imagine the Pistons letting him go if his defense was anywhere near the level of his offense. I like Tobias, and he's a keeper. However, I think he's not the center piece of the future. I have a feeling that West envisions Tobias playing as the third option behind two really good players.


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cashdld wrote:
Naw he reminds me more of a younger Carmelo minus the chucking, Tobias has the size but needs to work on his defense. Once his defense starts to match his offense he can make a case for allstar until he just a good scoring small forward.

Tobias is a great 3rd option. Possibly good 3rd option. He is no where near the level of Melo. Melo was already averaging 28 ppg and lead his team to multiple playoff appearances by his age.

I’d say realistic expectation is a really good 3rd option.


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SamMays wrote:
I think the plan is to package multiple picks for one high one.
our likely fourteenth pick and Detroit's thirteenth pick for a top five?


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OKCs record doesn't show it, but especially after obliterating the Warriors yet again, management has to feel confident about their playoff chances. They can beat any team in the top 4. With that in mind, they'll likely put all their chips on the table this year. I think they're gonna go hard after Bradley, they need more defense after losing Roberson. DJ, Bradley, Lou -- All these guys are difference makers for championship teams. We need to be greedy if we're gonna shop them.

On a side note, am I the only that likes the team as is? Lol. I kinda want to stick with what we have and resign Bradley.

Kind of hard to say. Once we can see more of Bradley, then we may get a better idea of his worth.


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our likely fourteenth pick and Detroit's thirteenth pick for a top five?

It would take more for top five, certainly. But we have other expendable elements. Or maybe Jerry sees someone who would be available at 8 that he loves like a top 3.


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SamMays wrote:
It would take more for top five, certainly. But we have other expendable elements. Or maybe Jerry sees someone who would be available at 8 that he loves like a top 3.
Well, if we can say one thing about Jerry, it's that he is a great judge of talent in young players. I'm sure that even if we keep the two picks, he will find the best talent available.


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I love this team as is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we finally have decent forward and guards and maybe a surprise in a back up center..

We have cap space, and youth. We have defensive players now..

Lets make the playoffs and play the state team or the houston team... Smile


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sz123456 wrote:
OKCs record doesn't show it, but especially after obliterating the Warriors yet again, management has to feel confident about their playoff chances. They can beat any team in the top 4. With that in mind, they'll likely put all their chips on the table this year. I think they're gonna go hard after Bradley, they need more defense after losing Roberson. DJ, Bradley, Lou -- All these guys are difference makers for championship teams. We need to be greedy if we're gonna shop them.

On a side note, am I the only that likes the team as is? Lol. I kinda want to stick with what we have and resign Bradley.

That loss of Roberson and not being able to even get a bandage type player to take his place is going to hurt them. OKC is only on pace for 45 wins, their problem is consistency, and in the playoffs, it isn't about whether they can beat a team once or twice, but whether they can beat them 4 times. If things stay the same seeding wise, they have Minnesota in the first round without HCA. If they win that series, which won't be easy by any means, they get GS in the second round, they are really going to be fighting an uphill battle to make any noise in the post-season, especially without Roberson and the impact he has for them on defense. Meanwhile, the Rockets are surprisingly only a game behind GS, and still have only lost only 1 or 2 games when Paul/Harden/Capela play. Their ability to close games has been quite impressive, having Harden makes things a lot easier for Paul and vice versa down the stretch that they are both better because of it. They are also now 6.5 games ahead of SA, which means they have basically locked up at least 2nd and could possibly fight for first. It's going to be a fun home stretch to see how it all ends up. GS won't really be affected by HCA or not, they are that good, but Houston would probably love to get that top seed. If Clippers overtake the slumping Pelicans, then a Rockets vs Clippers matchup could still happen, and that would be one fun playoff series. Really hoping for that.


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The six spot is the one for us to have.


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SamMays wrote:
The six spot is the one for us to have.
exactly...san Antonio is the best bet


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SamMays wrote:
The six spot is the one for us to have.
Yup, with the uncertainty of Kawhi, it would be a nice matchup. Regular season Spurs survive on consistency, preparation and great coaching, but in the playoffs, when teams scout you and focus on you, you definitely also need the talent to match, and without Leonard, they aren't untalented, but their talent level is not that great, and it's old. If the Clippers play their athleticism advantage, those old legs will falter.


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Yup, with the uncertainty of Kawhi, it would be a nice matchup. Regular season Spurs survive on consistency, preparation and great coaching, but in the playoffs, when teams scout you and focus on you, you definitely also need the talent to match, and without Leonard, they aren't untalented, but their talent level is not that great, and it's old. If the Clippers play their athleticism advantage, those old legs will falter.

I don’t think that’s current team is beating any of the other 7 playoff teams in a playoff series. We need to tank and try to get a high pick there are some really good players out there!


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I don’t think that’s current team is beating any of the other 7 playoff teams in a playoff series. We need to tank and try to get a high pick there are some really good players out there!
Looking at the lottery, the Clippers will be at the bottom, and unless the Clippers move up via lottery, the pick from being 8th vs being late lottery won't be too different. I have no qualms with a tough fight, miss the playoffs, then getting a chance at the lottery even without a likely chance of moving up. Since the Pistons moving up wouldn't help as it is protected that high, Clippers pick being in there would be nice.


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I’ve been looking at the draft for 2018 and even if we fall to the early to mid teens there will still be people on the board like Brandon McCoy or Daniel Gafford or Mitchell Robinson. All 6-11 to 7-1 with great upside in both Defense and Offense.


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Agent0 wrote:
Looking at the lottery, the Clippers will be at the bottom, and unless the Clippers move up via lottery, the pick from being 8th vs being late lottery won't be too different. I have no qualms with a tough fight, miss the playoffs, then getting a chance at the lottery even without a likely chance of moving up. Since the Pistons moving up wouldn't help as it is protected that high, Clippers pick being in there would be nice.

Mohamed Bamba or Trae Young have a legitimate chance of falling outside the top 5. Either of those two, especially Bamba would be huge. That is a big difference from getting the 10-14th pick and they might fall to 6, 7, or 8. Have you been scouting the draft much? Serious question.


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clipperboy24 wrote:
I don’t think that’s current team is beating any of the other 7 playoff teams in a playoff series. We need to tank and try to get a high pick there are some really good players out there!
from what I've read, if they make the playoffs, they lose the pick, as it is lottery protected. They would only have Detroit's pick in the first round if it is outside top 5. Is that correct?


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bballman wrote:
from what I've read, if they make the playoffs, they lose the pick, as it is lottery protected. They would only have Detroit's pick in the first round if it is outside top 5. Is that correct?

The pick is supposed to be top 4 pick protected for the next 3 years. So as long as they didn’t completely rank or win the lottery in positions 1-3 we should get the pick this year. It’s a very exciting draft with some players that could truly be franchise changers


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clipperboy24 wrote:
Mohamed Bamba or Trae Young have a legitimate chance of falling outside the top 5. Either of those two, especially Bamba would be huge. That is a big difference from getting the 10-14th pick and they might fall to 6, 7, or 8. Have you been scouting the draft much? Serious question.
I generally don't pay attention to the draft during the season, but the Clippers tanking enough to get into the top 8 would be very impressive because there are currently 8 teams with under 20 wins right now, so that's 8 teams on pace for about 25-28 wins total, a number the Clippers have already passed and would still have passed even if DJ, Lou, and Bradley were all traded.

Clippers even if they were somehow trying to tank by sitting healthy players would have to basically finish the season something like 0-27 to be able to race to the bottom with those teams and even then might still only have the 9th worst record. Add to that the other three teams with 23 wins, trying to out tank all those teams is just not reasonable. So I've sort of given up on the idea that the Clippers can move up significantly based on their record, so I'm fine with winning.

The Pistons also just won't be able to drop down far enough in record, but we don't want them moving up via lottery of course as that allows them to keep the pick.


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I generally don't pay attention to the draft during the season, but the Clippers tanking enough to get into the top 8 would be very impressive because there are currently 8 teams with under 20 wins right now, so that's 8 teams on pace for about 25-28 wins total, a number the Clippers have already passed and would still have passed even if DJ, Lou, and Bradley were all traded.

Clippers even if they were somehow trying to tank by sitting healthy players would have to basically finish the season something like 0-27 to be able to race to the bottom with those teams and even then might still only have the 9th worst record. Add to that the other three teams with 23 wins, trying to out tank all those teams is just not reasonable. So I've sort of given up on the idea that the Clippers can move up significantly based on their record, so I'm fine with winning.

The Pistons also just won't be able to drop down far enough in record, but we don't want them moving up via lottery of course as that allows them to keep the pick.

If we had say a 10th pick from us and 12-14th from the pistons you could package both of those together to move up in the draft especially if you added a 2nd rounder. The top 7-8 players are really good and we could be getting a great player on a cheap contract. This is the most exciting draft class in a while one I hope we get a good player in


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clipperboy24 wrote:
If we had say a 10th pick from us and 12-14th from the pistons you could package both of those together to move up in the draft especially if you added a 2nd rounder. The top 7-8 players are really good and we could be getting a great player on a cheap contract. This is the most exciting draft class in a while one I hope we get a good player in
Agreed, but losing enough to get not the top 10 has been a big challenge even if we start from after Blake was traded. Even if the Clippers tried, with the amount of games remaining, they would really need at least two of those other 3 teams with 23 wins to play better and to start blatantly taking by sitting players.

Slightly higher picks can definitely give a better chance of moving up, but if the top 8 is really seen as that much of a prize, it might be hard to find any takers.

Also even if it is outside the top 8, two lottery picks definitely does increase the chances of finding someone nice when you're picking outside the top 3-5.


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Agreed, but losing enough to get not the top 10 has been a big challenge even if we start from after Blake was traded. Even if the Clippers tried, with the amount of games remaining, they would really need at least two of those other 3 teams with 23 wins to play better and to start blatantly taking by sitting players.

Slightly higher picks can definitely give a better chance of moving up, but if the top 8 is really seen as that much of a prize, it might be hard to find any takers.

Also even if it is outside the top 8, two lottery picks definitely does increase the chances of finding someone nice when you're picking outside the top 3-5.

It’s been the problem all year though. They thought this team didn’t have what it took to be a true playoff contender then we should have been trying to develop players this year and get a high draft pick. Stop giving minutes to the Austin rivers who even in high minutes is still only averaging under 16 points per game low rebounds, and outside of 3 point shooting an asbulotely terrible shooting %.

Now we can just pray we get into the top 3 of the draft. We are kind of due after trading away that pick to the Cavs and it turning into Irving, lol. Maybe us playing decent means there is actually a chance that Paul George comes here, who knows


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I think the FO wanted to give Blake a chance to show he could have superstar impact, but the team wasn't playing that great with him, they were basically able to perform just as well with him as without and his individual production wasn't anything great, so they moved on. Also, they couldn't trade him until January after he signed his contract, and not re-signing him would have caused the team to lose him for nothing.

I'm not worried about Austin's minutes. If he sucks, it means more losses which most people want, if he plays well, we keep building up his value for a draft night or off-season trade, so him playing has a double bonus.


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Agent0 wrote:
I think the FO wanted to give Blake a chance to show he could have superstar impact, but the team wasn't playing that great with him, they were basically able to perform just as well with him as without and his individual production wasn't anything great, so they moved on. Also, they couldn't trade him until January after he signed his contract, and not re-signing him would have caused the team to lose him for nothing.

I'm not worried about Austin's minutes. If he sucks, it means more losses which most people want, if he plays well, we keep building up his value for a draft night or off-season trade, so him playing has a double bonus.

The other thing about packaging draft picks is not every team thinks the same of the draft class. So there might be a team that thinks the top 10 are comparable (more or less) and prefer having two top 15 picks. I just really hope we can navigate this draft well, it’s a big one


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Let’s get this 3pt championship !!!! Lol


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