Recalibration of Expectations (P. 2)

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toohipcliptoslip
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Wes is going to take Austin's job not Gallo


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The teams with multiple superstars have a huge advantage, of course. Great leadership, decision making and they also attract title chasing veterans who will accept less salary. But we don't have multiple superstars. We have a superstar, two very good players in Gallo and DJ and then a bunch of mediocre players, more or less. We have to do it another way, which means shrewd trading and talent evaluation.

This past year the Celtics had to unload a very talented player in Avery Bradley. We tried to get him, but fell short despite the fact that the Celtics didn't get close to even value in return. Imagine this team if we had gotten him, how much better we'd look. Again, he's not a superstar, but is a very, very, good two-way player.

It's going to take some time for this team to come together. Realistically, another 15 or 20 games. It's a process and DJ, Gallo, Austin and everyone else is potential trade bait for the future.


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So you are basically saying what I have been saying ALL along... BG is great, he is just not THAT great. He is not Kobe good. He is not Lebron good. He cannot LEAD us to anything meaningful.

He's got and he's had GREAT tools... but he wasn't able to lead with another great player (he took a backseat to someone stronger.)

All I am trying to say is that if we could not win with CP3, we're not going to win (or let's say: "go as far") without CP3, unless Blake Griffin EVOLVES into something GREATER THAN WHAT HE IS NOW.

I am talking super elite, MVP beyond any doubt, closing out games and PULLING out Ws for our team. Unless we get that, he is just going to be an All Star on a mediocre team that barely manages to make the playoffs - IF THAT.

If people are cool with that, I am too... Just stop pointing the finger at a bench player or the coach or free throws or referees or blah blah blahh. And stop acting like we are going to win every game.

Hence, recalibrate or maybe the better word is REASSESS.

Here's a thought.. maybe this is all Blake will ever be. If he was super elite he would've canned the CP3 dribbling show, demanded the ball from him, and made him #2 on the teams pecking order three years ago before we would come to this point where we're at now expecting him to be super elite and all. I really was just hoping for what he's doing now 20+ points per with 10 rebounds- we just needed a new face or two to emerge and help out and the team, and for Doc to make the right rotations and we could have something. It looked like Milos had flashes of becoming a breakout on the team but he quickly got injured. It is on Blake but it has to be on others involved as well to a lesser extent. DJ, Gallo, and such to make this team go.


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LAC_12 wrote:
So you are basically saying what I have been saying ALL along... BG is great, he is just not THAT great. He is not Kobe good. He is not Lebron good. He cannot LEAD us to anything meaningful.

He's got and he's had GREAT tools... but he wasn't able to lead with another great player (he took a backseat to someone stronger.)

All I am trying to say is that if we could not win with CP3, we're not going to win (or let's say: "go as far") without CP3, unless Blake Griffin EVOLVES into something GREATER THAN WHAT HE IS NOW.

I am talking super elite, MVP beyond any doubt, closing out games and PULLING out Ws for our team. Unless we get that, he is just going to be an All Star on a mediocre team that barely manages to make the playoffs - IF THAT.

If people are cool with that, I am too... Just stop pointing the finger at a bench player or the coach or free throws or referees or blah blah blahh. And stop acting like we are going to win every game.

Hence, recalibrate or maybe the better word is REASSESS.

I like this post. I guess the only somewhat of a disagreement I have is that I still feel like Blake has a well of potential that hasn't been tapped into yet. I'm not going to blame it on the coach or anything, but I would say that a new voice might be what he needs to tap into that potential. I'm fairly confident Doc has taken Blake and DJ as far as he's going to take them.

We need offensive creativity to get the most out of our current group. Until we get that, we should be around a .500 team


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We had Blake, CP3, DJ, Redick and then, depending one's personal evaluation, Crawford, Austin (who were good or over-rated players depending on who you ask) and then a bunch of barely still in the league guys. Doc was terrible at evaluating talent. None of that is Blake's fault. He is what he is, one of the top players in the game, but not a transcendent superstar.

He needs to be surrounded, not necessarily with other superstars, but with a lot more talent than we've had.


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LAC_12, if you bring up last night's game and say I TOLD YOU SO I'm going to find out where you live and piss in your shoe. Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_08


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Yea, I can agree here, but that's why I brought up the money issue. The reason the superstar method is easier and works better is that the difference in cost for a superstar vs an above average / good player (that isn't on a bargain contract) is not that much, but the impact is much larger than the contract difference. Look at Bradley who you mentioned, and I agree, solid two way SG, but he is on a budget contract from the previous CBA. He's a free agent after this season, and his market value is going to be something like $18-20 million. So with Bradley and a $102 million cap / $124 million luxury next season, Griffin + Gallo is already $54 million. If DJ gets a contract starting at $26 million, those three would already be making $80 million. No Austin here, let's say we traded him for Bradley, so Bradley $19 million. Add Milos, Beverley, Johnson, Dekker and the rookies (Thornwell / Evans), and you're at $122 million with 10 players. Harrell is a RFA, so he might be looking for more money, don't know what his market is, but let's even just say $4 million, you're at $126 million with 11 players, still need 4 more at least. So you're paying the tax for a good team, but how good? Warriors good? Rockets good? Spurs good? So then you have to start making decisions about keeping and moving players. Let's say you think, "well maybe we don't re-sign DJ, Reed can replace him", and Reed will get a raise, probably at least to $5-10 million, but is the plan to win it all with (Milos/Bradley/Gallo/Griffin/Reed) and with (Bev/Thornwell/Johnson/Dekker/Harrel) off the bench? Many teams get fortunate, right player available at the right time when you have the right assets,....


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You're right in one aspect, Blake doesn't really have the fall back anymore. There was thought that Paul held him back, and in a sense, all good players hold each other's stats back, but Paul wanted Blake to take the dominant scoring reigns, and Blake didn't seize it. We felt maybe he just wasn't comfortable doing so, being the less dominant personality and the younger guy. The reality is that usually if you are that type of player, you seize it, younger or not. Blake even when on with the second unit, he wasn't dominating as a scorer, he was the lead guy, but it wasn't the Blake show. If this season, we start saying that Austin is holding him back, or Doc is holding him back, well, for one if Austin Rivers is holding you back from taking over the offense of your team, first of all, that's a problem for you as the player, not for Austin, and there are too many examples of players with actual bad coaches that still did their thing to blame it on the coach. Right now Blake is shooting fewer FGA than he has since 12-13 when he played 32.5 mpg, his PPG is still good because he added the 3PT shot which has made him more efficient. If he was taking 5 3PA/G and making it this well the past 4 seasons, we could have added another 1 ppg to all those averages. Blake is a better scorer than KG, but KG was a guy that it was just not in his game to play out of the flow. He had to move the ball and set the screens, and run the offense, and he wouldn't regularly just take over, something Duncan was capable of and did more regularly. Good team, bad....


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I feel like I'm about to be repetitive in my theme of Blake. And LAC_12 don't need to say it, but I will. He told you so!

Blake Griffin is the leader in the sense that he has 5 more years and a lot of money and potential keeping his butt in LA. Why should he try hard? He'll still have an acting career and NBA retirement money. Yesterday against the Spurs, Blake started off well and was aggressive in the first half. He talks about wanting to be a more silent leader. So without CP3, Blake can inspire his team by staying with the play and not complaining. But this guy is an immature superstar with no heart to win. We shouldn't feel attached to Blake Griffin just because he started the "better times." There is a lot of talent in the NBA.

A great example of this immaturity was slamming his fist after crying about a no-call, which really was the final straw and like a child he slammed his fists. That's our leader. His second half was completely passive and our team was somehow willed into decency by Austin Rivers of all forsaken people. Griffin didn't shoot well, he didn't cut, he didn't look for the ball. He was nothing, in a game that you have to show fight. The Spurs will be threat in the playoffs, but BG simply can't control himself. People would blame CP3 for crying about calls, but Blake is very guilty of that too and it effects his game. Yes, he gets hit in the face a lot... He just has to go into Robot Mode.

I respect that his shooting game has improved. He can be versatile. I want to see it in real games. We don't beat good teams. He needs to show that our team is a destination for basketball, not beach houses.


Griffinforpresident
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Seems like gallo and Beverly are out several games.

Gallo even longer.

No choice but to play the new players.

Doc...do the right thing!!!!


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Griffinforpresident wrote:
Seems like gallo and Beverly are out several games.

Gallo even longer.

No choice but to play the new players.

Doc...do the right thing!!!!

This what we are talking about, the injury, because Doc, make the starter played like we don't have a second unit, I expect more starter to get injured because of overplaying.


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Looks like Beverly, Gallo and Rivers, will be watching at the sidelines for the rest of this trip. Jawun Evans be ready this is your opportunity to hit the floor.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/ ... story.html


toohipcliptoslip
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Isn't BG next?


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cobra wrote:
This what we are talking about, the injury, because Doc, make the starter played like we don't have a second unit, I expect more starter to get injured because of overplaying.
This early in the season we can't blame overplaying for the injuries. They actually had a couple of rest games with blowouts and their minute averages aren't even that high. I don't think anyone is over 34 mpg. If our players can't play 38-40 mpg every once in a while without being injured, then our players have some real issues. Overplaying injuries would be happening 30-40 game in, not after 10 games.

None of these were fatigue injuries. Gallo drove recklessly and fell. Austin hurt his ankle in practice, etc, so while I love to blame Doc for everything, we just have injury prone players, and injuries do happen regardless of precautions. We were just hoping that this season would be outlier years for guys like Gallo and Bev who miss 15-20 games/year on average, but if they miss games it wouldn't be a surprise and is definitely not Doc's fault when they've done the same for 3-4 straight years.


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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
Isn't BG next?

Blake was able to play like 3 full seasons straight after his initial injury in what was supposed to be his rookie year. i've been holding out hope that the injuries over the past few years have been freak accidents outside of that thing with his elbow that happens around the end of November every year..


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6-7-8 seed in the west, lets be honest now this team is a 1st round exit team. Blake is a star but not a superstar and superstars win games. The only way we get better is through trade and free agency cause this team is just not good enough as currently constructed to even worry the top teams, just saying.


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HooRob wrote:
6-7-8 seed in the west, lets be honest now this team is a 1st round exit team. Blake is a star but not a superstar and superstars win games. The only way we get better is through trade and free agency cause this team is just not good enough as currently constructed to even worry the top teams, just saying.

Don't be in a hurry, Jerry fixed the Memphis and Warrior but not overnight so let's trust him, i'm pretty sure he is talking to Frank and Balmer about what to do.


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HooRob wrote:
6-7-8 seed in the west, lets be honest now this team is a 1st round exit team. Blake is a star but not a superstar and superstars win games. The only way we get better is through trade and free agency cause this team is just not good enough as currently constructed to even worry the top teams, just saying.

This is exactly what this thread was meant for... I was going into GAMEDAY threads and reading the expectations and attitudes from some of us, and I was a little worried.

I would even say 6 is reaching. The west is still deep, the "younger" teams are a year older, and still STACKED. If BG isn't shut down/gets injured (another long term deal) we may sneak into the playoffs... or he is inactive and we miss the post season entirely.


Clemenza
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This team could be fun but it looks like these injuries will swap themselves out the entire year. One guy gets healthy while another key piece goes out with injury. I say lets get in this draft lottery.


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Clemenza wrote:
This team could be fun but it looks like these injuries will swap themselves out the entire year. One guy gets healthy while another key piece goes out with injury. I say lets get in this draft lottery.
It's a lot more than injuries right now, even earlier with just Milos out, after those 4 games when they started playing actual good teams, the decline already started. There's still something awry with this team that needs to be remedied because it isn't a pure talent issue. Pure talent wise, this should be at least a mid 40's win team, they should be average-ish on defense, but right now they are looking like a lottery team that sucks on defense.


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As these games pile on, I would not be surprised if we miss the post season entirely... I'd love to see us play the Nuggets, the Wolves, and the second round vs the Thunder, Blazers, and Jazz.

I really do not think we can make it with THIS squad. Even if we are healthy... We would have to depend on issues for these other bottom feeder teams to tank.


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Agent0 wrote:
It's a lot more than injuries right now, even earlier with just Milos out, after those 4 games when they started playing actual good teams, the decline already started. There's still something awry with this team that needs to be remedied because it isn't a pure talent issue. Pure talent wise, this should be at least a mid 40's win team, they should be average-ish on defense, but right now they are looking like a lottery team that sucks on defense.

100% in agreement.

I can tell you what the problem is... but most people already know what I am going to say.


toohipcliptoslip
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Some of you youngsters have forgotten. This is the Clippers. Even with Ballmer we still manage to screw the pooch with style.


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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
Some of you youngsters have forgotten. This is the Clippers. Even with Ballmer we still manage to screw the pooch with style.

That is rather nonsensical. But maybe. But no.

Not going into the philosophical argument, but the nature of sports entertainment is highly volatile. That is why the statement does not hold.

Also the optimist in me also screams WE CAN DO IT!


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Since Milos went down, the lack of a point guard is killing us. Beverly, Austin and Williams simply cannot play that position as it is designed to be played in the NBA. Add to that, so many new parts and it's not surprising that we are struggling despite a reasonable amount of talent.

This team is a work in progress and a decent piece of clay for West and the GM team to work with, but I suspect the team we put on the floor next season will be much different and, hopefully, does not include Wesley Johnson and his 22% three point shooting.


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LAC_12 wrote:
That is rather nonsensical. But maybe. But no.

Not going into the philosophical argument, but the nature of sports entertainment is highly volatile. That is why the statement does not hold.

Also the optimist in me also screams WE CAN DO IT!

You obviously haven't been a Clippers fan long enough to know what I'm talking about. Have you heard of Clipper Luck or the Clipper Curse etc etc? Ask anybody who has been on this board for a while. Go back pre -CP.. Clipper Luck, BG blowing out his knee.Clipper Curse, when the Refs screwed us in the OKC game. Clipper Curse, when we lost a game we had a 99% chance of winning and losing it. Snatching Defeat from the jaws of victory. Cassell and the eight second play.


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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
You obviously haven't been a Clippers fan long enough to know what I'm talking about. Have you heard of Clipper Luck or the Clipper Curse etc etc? Ask anybody who has been on this board for a while. Go back pre -CP.. Clipper Luck, BG blowing out his knee.Clipper Curse, when the Refs screwed us in the OKC game. Clipper Curse, when we lost a game we had a 99% chance of winning and losing it. Snatching Defeat from the jaws of victory. Cassell and the eight second play.

#1 As an older member on the board, and one that I highly respect, I am gonna go ahead and not go on the offense. But the remarks above were a bit dick-ish. For your info, and one I am surprised you missed completely, I have been "a Clippers fan long enough to know what [you are] talking about". Mater of fact I was on this board for all of the events you listed... screaming/crying/barking/typing away at the screens to/with/at you and the many board members... and then some.

#2 you are completely missing the point of my post. perhaps reread, and reassess.


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LAC_12 wrote:
#1 As an older member on the board, and one that I highly respect, I am gonna go ahead and not go on the offense. But the remarks above were a bit dick-ish..

Remember, we used to laugh and joke about the Clipper Curse. We used to be superstitious, when things were going well the Basketball gods screwed us in style.. The year after the playoff run when we were supposed to make the WCF's the team imploded and won only 2 or 3 road games, Baron Davis singlehandedly destroying the team for fun. , .A first round draft pick the Kandyman was a head case and was too good to study with Jabaar. He has been called the 6th worst draft pick of all time when we passed over Dirk, P Pierce and Vince Carter. Its a superstition not a fact or a wish, We were the worst franchise in professional sports,and the worst owner in pro sports, a badges we wore with pride.We made fu*king up a work of art. I read and understand your post. Just cross your fingers, get a four leaf clover and a rabbit foot. and pray for good luck. Gallo wants a sex change That would be Clipper Luck.. Doc has another son. - Clipper Luck

Al though it may have come off that way. it wasn't meant as a put down.


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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
Remember, we used to laugh and joke about the Clipper Curse. We used to be superstitious, when things were going well the Basketball gods screwed us in style.. The year after the playoff run when we were supposed to make the WCF's the team imploded and won only 2 or 3 road games, Baron Davis singlehandedly destroying the team for fun. , .A first round draft pick the Kandyman was a head case and was too good to study with Jabaar. He has been called the 6th worst draft pick of all time when we passed over Dirk, P Pierce and Vince Carter. Its a superstition not a fact or a wish, We were the worst franchise in professional sports,and the worst owner in pro sports, a badges we wore with pride.We made fu*king up a work of art. I read and understand your post. Just cross your fingers, get a four leaf clover and a rabbit foot. and pray for good luck. Gallo wants a sex change That would be Clipper Luck.. Doc has another son. - Clipper Luck

Al though it may have come off that way. it wasn't meant as a put down.

Oh I remember... I just hate resorting back to curses as a reason for poor performance. If that is the case we are doomed to eternity and I hope that is not the case. Don't know why anyone would choose to cheer for a team that will never be successful.

So here's to success... Especially for us long timers who have been patiently waiting.


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I'll go with that.


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I have a question for everyone that is not "giving up" on this season... Why are you guys not critical of the MAIN problem? If I have a fever, I do not take medication for one symptom. I try to tackle the MAIN problem - the fever.

You guys are crying and complaining about small details, when the bread and butter of this team is given a free pass.

Why not call out the boss? Why not criticize our Ace of spades?

I mean if your hand includes an Austin Rivers... that card is a 4 or a 5... It will perform as a 4 or 5... why are we expecting him / criticizing him like he's a jack/queen/king/ace?

OUR hand this season is crappy. We cannot expect to win much... unless dealer busts (external - similar to other teams in the West experiencing health or chemistry issues, drama, trades, etc...) Our only strong performer is OUT for a lot of these hands.... And when he shows up, he comes as a 7 or an 8. In reality we need him to be an ACE.

Will things change come Feb? Will BG shape up and get us to the post season?

Who knows... but I guarantee you it is not because of any Rivers that we will miss the postseason. This board will be a lot easier to digest once people understand that.


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LAC_12 wrote:
I have a question for everyone that is not "giving up" on this season... Why are you guys not critical of the MAIN problem? If I have a fever, I do not take medication for one symptom. I try to tackle the MAIN problem - the fever.

You guys are crying and complaining about small details, when the bread and butter of this team is given a free pass.

Why not call out the boss? Why not criticize our Ace of spades?

I mean if your hand includes an Austin Rivers... that card is a 4 or a 5... It will perform as a 4 or 5... why are we expecting him / criticizing him like he's a jack/queen/king/ace?

OUR hand this season is crappy. We cannot expect to win much... unless dealer busts (external - similar to other teams in the West experiencing health or chemistry issues, drama, trades, etc...) Our only strong performer is OUT for a lot of these hands.... And when he shows up, he comes as a 7 or an 8. In reality we need him to be an ACE.

Will things change come Feb? Will BG shape up and get us to the post season?

Who knows... but I guarantee you it is not because of any Rivers that we will miss the postseason. This board will be a lot easier to digest once people understand that.

Your BG trashing is getting old, I get it you hate him but he actually is a good player who we need. We looked great with him and the whole team. Are his injuries hurting us? Yes! Do we need him to play harder on defense? Yes! Does he currently help our team a ton while not detracting? Yes! We need another efficient scorer with him, he can't do it on his own. CP3 was never going to be that player. A Paul George type player would probably be a great compliment to him.


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It isn't trashing... it is just what I see and feel. I was trashing Chris Kaman on here back in the day. But I do not think I've ever used the term "Blake Griffin sucks" on here - not once! I agree he is a really good player, I have said that many times. But do we need him? Really? For what? If we are not going to get past the Warriors, what do we NEED him for? If the dude passes out of a matchup vs Klay Thompson what do we NEED him for? If Draymond Green will punk and wipe the floor with BG, what do we NEED him for?

See I am not the only one that can ask rhetorical questions.

The only difference is, after answering these questions and analyzing BGs true worth to the organization I arrive at a different conclusion. The dude needs to go. He is not the answer.

The problem is, y'all want to keep him and surround him with another superstar. You call it efficient scorer, or "Paul George type" player... CP3 was the best fit ANY superstar can ask for. He can punish you with scoring enough to keep defense honest, yet he is known for dealing the rock. IT DOES NOT GET BETTER THAN THAT

You want to bring in another superstar in and hope it works again?

What's that saying where you do the same thing over and over and expect a different result...?


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LAC_12 wrote:
It isn't trashing... it is just what I see and feel. I was trashing Chris Kaman on here back in the day. But I do not think I've ever used the term "Blake Griffin sucks" on here - not once! I agree he is a really good player, I have said that many times. But do we need him? Really? For what? If we are not going to get past the Warriors, what do we NEED him for? If the dude passes out of a matchup vs Klay Thompson what do we NEED him for? If Draymond Green will punk and wipe the floor with BG, what do we NEED him for?

See I am not the only one that can ask rhetorical questions.

The only difference is, after answering these questions and analyzing BGs true worth to the organization I arrive at a different conclusion. The dude needs to go. He is not the answer.

The problem is, y'all want to keep him and surround him with another superstar. You call it efficient scorer, or "Paul George type" player... CP3 was the best fit ANY superstar can ask for. He can punish you with scoring enough to keep defense honest, yet he is known for dealing the rock. IT DOES NOT GET BETTER THAN THAT

You want to bring in another superstar in and hope it works again?

What's that saying where you do the same thing over and over and expect a different result...?

Except you're missing the most important part of repetition, it involves repeating. We don't have CP3 and we might get rid of DJ, that's anything but repeating. We give it a year and see how it looks when we have a high draft pick and some legit pieces. Then if it doesn't work it doesn't work. But Blake and the whole team got screwed when Milos and Beverly went down and we were left without a PG. there's no way getting around that, without a competent ball handler/distributor any NBA team is screwed.


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clipperboy24 wrote:
Except you're missing the most important part of repetition, it involves repeating. We don't have CP3 and we might get rid of DJ, that's anything but repeating. We give it a year and see how it looks when we have a high draft pick and some legit pieces. Then if it doesn't work it doesn't work. But Blake and the whole team got screwed when Milos and Beverly went down and we were left without a PG. there's no way getting around that, without a competent ball handler/distributor any NBA team is screwed.

Here is what I do not get... HOW is Blake getting screwed? Have Blake "fans" watched his entire career with us? I know his numbers have stayed normal... but are you watching his effort? The man is not even giving us 70% and he is the one getting screwed?

I can agree with everything else you said... But I only repeat my criticism of Blake because there are still comments like"Blake and the whole team got screwed" that is going around.

The dude was not good enough to elevate his game and meet a true superstar in CP3 to deal damage in the best chance he is ever going to get...

He's too young, stupid, immature... and no amount of 3pt fg attempts will help elevate his game if he does not want to use his height, frame, athleticism. Too late now anyway.

You point to the lack of a point guard and I laugh, because a season ago we had (one of) the best pg to play the game... and Blake wasted it.


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Blake is an all-star performer and has been just about every year in the league. He may be no Lebron James, but when he's done he's going to rank up there with a lot of o great players. Probably one of the top 100 players to ever play in the NBA, if not the top 50.

Injuries have kept him from leaping higher, but he has over 10,000 career points. If he stays healthy, his career point totals could be into the Barkley, Elgin Baylor type numbers at around 23,000.

We need to know a good thing when we see it.


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LAC_12 wrote:
Here is what I do not get... HOW is Blake getting screwed? Have Blake "fans" watched his entire career with us? I know his numbers have stayed normal... but are you watching his effort? The man is not even giving us 70% and he is the one getting screwed?

I can agree with everything else you said... But I only repeat my criticism of Blake because there are still comments like"Blake and the whole team got screwed" that is going around.

The dude was not good enough to elevate his game and meet a true superstar in CP3 to deal damage in the best chance he is ever going to get...

He's too young, stupid, immature... and no amount of 3pt fg attempts will help elevate his game if he does not want to use his height, frame, athleticism. Too late now anyway.

You point to the lack of a point guard and I laugh, because a season ago we had (one of) the best pg to play the game... and Blake wasted it.

Any team without a PG or distributor is screwed, don't know why you are up in arms over that statement. How can a team function without a PG or the rare point forward like Lebron?


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Blake is an all-star performer and has been just about every year in the league. He may be no Lebron James, but when he's done he's going to rank up there with a lot of o great players. Probably one of the top 100 players to ever play in the NBA, if not the top 50.

Injuries have kept him from leaping higher, but he has over 10,000 career points. If he stays healthy, his career point totals could be into the Barkley, Elgin Baylor type numbers at around 23,000.

We need to know a good thing when we see it.

I am not denying any of that... all I am saying is Blake is underperforming. He is getting numbers, but he isn't playing to his potential. He is not even giving 100% effort. If my team captain is playing with that type of intensity, it catches on and affects everyone else.

That type of play will not result in anything more than mediocrity - for his potential. Definitely won't win him a ring. And you'd be crazy to think he would be an all-time top 50 player... might scrap enough together to land in top 100.

But why the duck do we care where his arse lands?! I wish for the days of Elton Brand. With less talent, the man carried this franchise and gave us 100%

Blake is so talented, that his less than 100% effort is netting him great numbers. But that DOESNT mean we are seeing a "good thing".


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Any team without a PG or distributor is screwed, don't know why you are up in arms over that statement. How can a team function without a PG or the rare point forward like Lebron?

I am not arguing that... I am pointing out that BG did have a point-god and wasted it. So now that he got his coveted role of being a point-forward (which didn't last long, cause he has never really had great handles), I do NOT feel sorry.

So now that he is stuck with a Pat Bev or Milos (who I think is rather interesting)... I do not feel sorry.

There is no situation where I imagine BG being screwed, and almost every situation I can imagine of FANS being screwed is tied to BG.

That is all.


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LAC_12 wrote:
I am not arguing that... I am pointing out that BG did have a point-god and wasted it. So now that he got his coveted role of being a point-forward (which didn't last long, cause he has never really had great handles), I do NOT feel sorry.

So now that he is stuck with a Pat Bev or Milos (who I think is rather interesting)... I do not feel sorry.

There is no situation where I imagine BG being screwed, and almost every situation I can imagine of FANS being screwed is tied to BG.

That is all.

Seriously what is wrong with you? It's not just BG that got screwed by no PG the whole team. And I am talking about the injuries to Beverly and Milos taking away our PGs not CP3 leaving. Your vitriol is making you not able to see what's right in front of you. I am saying until the team has BG playing with a healthy Milos at least, crapping on him doesn't make sense because any team is screwed withiut a competent primary ball handler. I don't think Blake ever wanted to be the primary ball handler, it just helps that he is a good facilitator and excellent ball handler for a PF


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Seriously what is wrong with you? It's not just BG that got screwed by no PG the whole team. And I am talking about the injuries to Beverly and Milos taking away our PGs not CP3 leaving. Your vitriol is making you not able to see what's right in front of you. I am saying until the team has BG playing with a healthy Milos at least, crapping on him doesn't make sense because any team is screwed withiut a competent primary ball handler. I don't think Blake ever wanted to be the primary ball handler, it just helps that he is a good facilitator and excellent ball handler for a PF

#1 props on "vitriol"

#2 I am right back to where I started... giving up on this season, until Blake is healthy again with a Milos (hopefully)

#3 I will continue to point out his BS, when/if he is back on the floor.


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LAC_12 wrote:
I am not arguing that... I am pointing out that BG did have a point-god and wasted it. So now that he got his coveted role of being a point-forward (which didn't last long, cause he has never really had great handles), I do NOT feel sorry.

So now that he is stuck with a Pat Bev or Milos (who I think is rather interesting)... I do not feel sorry.

There is no situation where I imagine BG being screwed, and almost every situation I can imagine of FANS being screwed is tied to BG.

That is all.

The point god that refused to run fast breaks, slowed the game down to a crawl, didn't fraternize with the team, choked away the OKC series, and if he's really the point god he should've secured and rallied the team to victory when we were up 19 against the Rockets in game 6. Blake f***ed up a lot as well but don't act like CP3 sh*tted out ice cream his entire time in LA.


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LAC_12 wrote:
Here is what I do not get... HOW is Blake getting screwed? Have Blake "fans" watched his entire career with us? I know his numbers have stayed normal... but are you watching his effort? The man is not even giving us 70% and he is the one getting screwed?

I can agree with everything else you said... But I only repeat my criticism of Blake because there are still comments like"Blake and the whole team got screwed" that is going around.

The dude was not good enough to elevate his game and meet a true superstar in CP3 to deal damage in the best chance he is ever going to get...

He's too young, stupid, immature... and no amount of 3pt fg attempts will help elevate his game if he does not want to use his height, frame, athleticism. Too late now anyway.

You point to the lack of a point guard and I laugh, because a season ago we had (one of) the best pg to play the game... and Blake wasted it.

Blake wasted it away? And what did CP3 and DJ do without BG in the post season? Oh yeah, an easy 1st round exit. I get it, BG made some real stupid mistakes but lets not forget why we brought in CP3 and then Dic Rivers. Cp3 was brought here to take these maturing stars into the post season and eventually, contend for a chip. What we saw the last 5 years or so was a team heavily influenced by CP3 and Doc. Cp3 wouldn't sign without Doc as coach. Cp3 did a lot of recruiting and heavily influenced the roster till Doc took over. You can't now be blaming this solely on BG.It was CP3 who single-handedly ruined our best chance to go to the WCF. he literally snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in OKC. That was all on CP3. Look, BG is a flawed star that is missing the "killer instinct" that separates stars from superstars but we all knew that before upping him a new contract. He is who he is but no one really expects BG to carry us to a Chip...We did with CP3 and he fell short. Now he got up and went to ring chase. No harm in that but lets not blame BG for CP3 leaving.


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Clemenza wrote:
The point god that refused to run fast breaks, slowed the game down to a crawl, didn't fraternize with the team, choked away the OKC series, and if he's really the point god he should've secured and rallied the team to victory when we were up 19 against the Rockets in game 6. Blake f***ed up a lot as well but don't act like CP3 sh*tted out ice cream his entire time in LA.

Half the things you said in this are just completely false. Clippers were always in the upper half of the league in fast break points per game. And if he didn't fraternize with the team, why did Luc follow him to Houston? JJ also went to Houston but the money Philly gave him was too much to pass up. He and DJ apparently talk everyday. The only glaring mistakes he made was that OKC game and ever believing in Blake, a guy who punches punches friends and shoves trainers head towards his crotch on national tv, was ever the kind of guy to take over games late when we needed him the most.


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Clemenza wrote:
The point god that refused to run fast breaks, slowed the game down to a crawl, didn't fraternize with the team, choked away the OKC series, and if he's really the point god he should've secured and rallied the team to victory when we were up 19 against the Rockets in game 6. Blake f***ed up a lot as well but don't act like CP3 sh*tted out ice cream his entire time in LA.

Tough to run fast breaks when your bigs don't run, or refuse to finish at the rim. He ran lotta pick and rolls with DJ, but as soon as BG got bodied up he pussied out.

Its tough to fraternize with a team when you have such an age and social gap... and for his part, he did actually host events. But BG was out knocking up one girl and going after a Kardashian/jenner diva.

And I wonder who wrecked us in that Rockets game? Was Josh Smith CP's man?

CP has made mistakes, everyone has... but the dude has always been a baller. He is about basketball. He gets paid to play basketball, and he treats his job seriously. He has got a solid family life, and has no off court distractions (or less than Mr Punches).

I am not here saying CP is flawless, I am here saying I can live with the guys flaws when he is leaving EVERYTHING out on the floor. Can we say the same about BG? Especially as of late...?


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Half the things you said in this are just completely false. Clippers were always in the upper half of the league in fast break points per game. And if he didn't fraternize with the team, why did Luc follow him to Houston? JJ also went to Houston but the money Philly gave him was too much to pass up. He and DJ apparently talk everyday. The only glaring mistakes he made was that OKC game and ever believing in Blake, a guy who punches punches friends and shoves trainers head towards his crotch on national tv, was ever the kind of guy to take over games late when we needed him the most.

I guess time heals all wounds but I heard numerous times that one of the reasons DJ was headed to Dallas was because of Chris Paul. Guess they became cool once DJ got added to the State Farm commercials. And hell I wanted to ship Blake out as well after he punched the trainer and broke his hand in the process. I'm Blake fan but I'm well aware of his flaws and his 4th quarter disappearances. I'm just sick of this now that CP3 is with a MVP canidate- a guy that goes for 40 points a game in Harden.. now its f*ck Blake, he wasted the 'point gawd's' time here in LA- he walks on water, etc. bullsh*t. The guy who wasted his prime was no other than Doc Rivers!! The guy he lobbied for and threatened to leave if we didn't get him to LA.


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LAC_12 wrote:
Tough to run fast breaks when your bigs don't run, or refuse to finish at the rim. He ran lotta pick and rolls with DJ, but as soon as BG got bodied up he pussied out.

Its tough to fraternize with a team when you have such an age and social gap... and for his part, he did actually host events. But BG was out knocking up one girl and going after a Kardashian/jenner diva.

And I wonder who wrecked us in that Rockets game? Was Josh Smith CP's man?

CP has made mistakes, everyone has... but the dude has always been a baller. He is about basketball. He gets paid to play basketball, and he treats his job seriously. He has got a solid family life, and has no off court distractions (or less than Mr Punches).

I am not here saying CP is flawless, I am here saying I can live with the guys flaws when he is leaving EVERYTHING out on the floor. Can we say the same about BG? Especially as of late...?

If he was serious about his basketball he should've taken a page from his banana boat pal LeBron James and speak out on the coaching and management for putting crappy and washed up players around the core. He threatened to leave the Clipps if we didn't get Doc so we obeyed his command and traded for Doc and Doc proceeded to waste CP3's prime.. not BLAKE! And for the record I was damn near done with Blake after he broke his hand on a trainers face. Blake was having a nice season until Milos, Gallo, and Bev went out with injury and of course Junior rollin' over on his leg. Now CP3 is all Mr. Perfect since he's gotten with a team with a real GM, a coach with an actual offensive game plan, an owner that's down to pull the trigger to improve the team, no nepotism to deal with, shooters galore, and playing next to a bonafide MVP candidate who's an alpha that's down to go for 40 a night. Paul is a hell of a player no doubt about it but you guys got tunnel vision and are trying to push an agenda/narrative that's only one-forth of the entire actual story as to why the Clipps have underachieved and choked over the years. Come on now.


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Man somehow I knew Danilo was going to go down at some point during the season. Is there anyway to waive him and get him off the books for next season? Not exactly sure how that works.


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Is there a way to buyout this loser?

As a matter of fact, is there a way to trade him by packaging DJ?


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