Evaluating Doc: Some Clippers Numbers to Watch This Season

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These are likely some things the coaching staff will be watching. Certainly, a lot of coaching staffs say that they watch the passes/game, and they generally want to be in the 300 range as a measure of "good ball movement". Here are some Clipper stats we should pay attention to this season and how we fared in past seasons. Passes/game (Team) 16-17: 301 (13th) 15-16: 289.2 (23rd) 14-15: 294.4(16th) 13-14: 307.1 (13th) Passes/game (Starters) 16-17: 190.5 (10th) 15-16: 178.2 (25th) 14-15: 208.8 (4th) 13-14: 223.5 (4th) Secondary assists (Team) 16-17: 4.8/game (23rd) 15-16: 4.9/game (22nd) 14-15: 6.6/game (5th) 13-14: 7.3/game (2nd) Secondary Assists (Starters) 16-17: 3.1/game (22nd) 15-16: 3.2/game (21st) 14-15: 5.0/game (1st) 13-14: 5.6/game (1st) The first thing to say....


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This means that with a team with more attackers and ball handlers this year, he should be able to get them to really get some good ball movement, make a lot of passes, have player movement, and get secondary assists.

Then there's Lou Williams...

JK, Agent... thanks for the info/insight.


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Then there's Lou Williams...

JK, Agent... thanks for the info/insight.

Like always I'm going to naively believe that a guy like him will play a totally different way than he has most of his career because the Clippers are simply magic Smile


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Bless you. man...

But I see Jamal Crawford without the "sizzle".

I hope Lou does well, but my projection is Jamal, minus the locker-room goodwill.


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Bless you. man...

But I see Jamal Crawford without the "sizzle".

I hope Lou does well, but my projection is Jamal, minus the locker-room goodwill.

Lou will do better because he won't command the same respect from our guys than Jamal. Lou is being treated as one of the guys not an And 1 legend like Jamal where our guys deferred to him too many times. I think i counted 5 possessions straight where Lou didn't even touch the ball.


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Lou will do better because he won't command the same respect from our guys than Jamal. Lou is being treated as one of the guys not an And 1 legend like Jamal where our guys deferred to him too many times. I think i counted 5 possessions straight where Lou didn't even touch the ball.

Agree. I was so over Jamal for at least 2 years now. Over the hill one trick pony who wasn't very good at the one trick. It was one of the best things to happen to the Clippers when they finally got rid of him.

Now we have to hopefully get rid of the next weakest link.


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Speaking of Doc, remember when we signed Ekpe Udoh in 14-15, and he was a big with size who could protect the rim, but also shoot FT's, someone we could put in when DJ was being hacked, but then Udoh never played. Udoh is not contributing for the Jazz, look, there's no way he made some massive improvements in Europe from that season until now. Just wanted to put that out there, but his size and defense could have been very useful during the playoff run with all our fatigued players and the atrocious defense later in the playoffs, instead of playing Glen Davis who ended up having an injury he was playing with, or useless Spencer Hawes.


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Evaluating Doc and what I see is, Doc has gone back to the Clippers of old minus CP.

I was expecting ball movement and Blake running pick and rolls with DJ. Fresh bodies in constantly due to the depth. Playing some big long versatile line ups with all our depth at the wings. Less ISO ball and more ball and player movement. An emphasis on rebounding and reduce leaking out. Watching Blake initiate the offense more often.

With the exception of tonight's game and GSW game we've done a lot better rebounding. Our assist numbers our abysmal. I thought there would be change and the most change I see is that instead of CP3 trying to bail us out of bad possessions it's Austin. We continue to run small guard line ups with Dekker sitting on the bench, and Jamil not expecting to see court time ever. We are close to last in assists and 20th in pace. Instead of Blake being used in some revolutionary way he is back to getting the ball in the same spots as he used to.


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Well we now know that all those assist numbers were solely from CP3, lol


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I've got to say that I've been very disappointed, a lot of fails in the evaluation so far. We're making fewer passes/game than last season with 295.7 passes/game, and though that's not bad, we're dead last in the league in potential assists, which means our guys aren't making passes that lead to shot attempts for others. So we are poor at assisting as a team, and we are averaging 2.2 secondary assists per game, a far cry from the 7.3 in 13-14 and 6.6 in 14-15, and less than half of what we were doing last season.

I don't know, I was excited to see how the numbers progressed, but so far it's just kind of depressing to look at


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The number of assists doesn't count this year so far because we don't have a point guard. As far as Lou playing Iso, who else would have bailed us out when we sucked wind? Our assist numbers should go up. If we play Evans at PG on the second unit (which we won't for obvious reasons) that should help. Get a SF, fat chance, Harrell PF. We can run plays for Reed. Harrell and Evans are high energy sprinters.


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What is Docs deal with playing guards instead of actual small forwards at the 3? I know we have injuries, but why we haven't seen Dekker at the 3 is beyond me. His damn 3 guard lineup will never be effective. If we could just play a few games with some length in the perimeter id be surprised.


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Doc seems content in losing as long as his son is getting the minutes in the game and especially the fourth quarter. He wants Jr. to feel like a real starter rather than what he really should be, a back up with limited minutes. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it until Doc is gone (or at least until the clippers start winning again...hehe). Conflict of interest. Doc likes using the three guard lineup because that gives more minutes to his son.


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Doc seems content in losing as long as his son is getting the minutes in the game and especially the fourth quarter. He wants Jr. to feel like a real starter rather than what he really should be, a back up with limited minutes. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it until Doc is gone (or at least until the clippers start winning again...hehe). Conflict of interest. Doc likes using the three guard lineup because that gives more minutes to his son.

Can you believe that in the past some posters on this forum refuted that there is any nepotism practised on the team, I wonder if they still do? I can't believe that Balmer has put up with it so long.

Get rid of Doc, give Austin a chance to see if he can be a decent bench player in this league without any undeserved mins, and if not get rid of all the Rivers.


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I've got to say that I've been very disappointed, a lot of fails in the evaluation so far. We're making fewer passes/game than last season with 295.7 passes/game, and though that's not bad, we're dead last in the league in potential assists, which means our guys aren't making passes that lead to shot attempts for others. So we are poor at assisting as a team, and we are averaging 2.2 secondary assists per game, a far cry from the 7.3 in 13-14 and 6.6 in 14-15, and less than half of what we were doing last season.

I don't know, I was excited to see how the numbers progressed, but so far it's just kind of depressing to look at

I would say, quite simply the lack of a PG (Rivers, Williams and Beverly cannot play PG) is the main reason why assists and passing numbers are down. Couple that with Doc's static offense and you have a recipe for disaster. Milos played in only one game, but he clearly set a tone and the ball moved. Once he left, that ball and player movement quickly dwindled to the static sets you see. Just look at the players we have out there currently. Rivers, Beverly, Thornwell and Wesley are all terrible passers. Williams is okay, off his own dribble. Blake is a good passer FOR A POWER FORWARD. And that's it.

You only have to look at DJ's offensive production to see how far we've fallen. I know DJ was never a prolific scorer, but the fear of the lob to him was a major part of our offense. He received a good number of those every game. Defending centers were reluctant to leave him and help for fear of getting posterized. That element of our game is completely gone, and gone for two reasons. No player movement, which causes defensive rotations and poor passing. On those occasions he is open, the ball handler doesn't see him because we don't have guys who see the floor, save for Williams and Milos.

The main reason I was excited to see this team was because of Milos. It looks to me like, other than Blake, he was the most damaging player we could have lost.

Seems to me, the answer is to move DJ, Beverly and Austin/Wesley and bring in a creative guard who can play at a high level when paired with Milos. When coupled with Milos, because of his size, that player could be a PG or a SG. The important thing is that he can create for himself and for others. That is the sort of player that is nowhere to be found among our group of guards, save for Williams who is best used off the bench.


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One player can help ball movement but isn't the reason for ball movement.

Ball movement isn't just about individual assists. Hell Westbrook gets 16 assists some nights and the ball movement is horrible.

It's more of scheme and coaching than anything. Most players at the nba level can pass the ball. Ball movement is about keeping the ball moving while players continue us to rotate and cut.

Just watch the spurs. They have a system built on player and ball movement.

Doc has not installed these schemes and make it mandatory that they run them.

He claimed that it was because cp3 was so elite that he just let him run the offense. But now you see Doc just doesn't have the b-ball knowledge to install such schemes and continue to coach his players into it.


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Can you believe that in the past some posters on this forum refuted that there is any nepotism practised on the team, I wonder if they still do? I can't believe that Balmer has put up with it so long.

Get rid of Doc, give Austin a chance to see if he can be a decent bench player in this league without any undeserved mins, and if not get rid of all the Rivers.

In this case, I'm not sure three guards has anything to do with Austin. The player that is taking Dekker's minutes is Thornwell, not Austin. With Bev and Milos out, there's tons of minutes for Austin to play. I'm not going to complain too much about Doc giving a rookie big minutes when I've previously complained about the opposite. If Thornwell as a rookie earned the minutes over Dekker, then he did.


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Doc has to be gone soon. I'm sure West didn't sign up to not make the playoffs.


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jarca wrote:
Lou will do better because he won't command the same respect from our guys than Jamal. Lou is being treated as one of the guys not an And 1 legend like Jamal where our guys deferred to him too many times. I think i counted 5 possessions straight where Lou didn't even touch the ball.

Yes.

Lou is so much better than Jamal. Lou scores out of the offense, seldom bounces it more than twice, is hitting 38% of his threes, passes every bit as well or better and doesn't stop the offense for all the "watch me" play that Jamal was famous for. Jamal routinely shot around 34% from three, stopped that ball all the time while he dribbled and sized his man up and then fell asleep defensively at least twice a game, allowing his man backdoor layups.


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In this case, I'm not sure three guards has anything to do with Austin. The player that is taking Dekker's minutes is Thornwell, not Austin. With Bev and Milos out, there's tons of minutes for Austin to play. I'm not going to complain too much about Doc giving a rookie big minutes when I've previously complained about the opposite. If Thornwell as a rookie earned the minutes over Dekker, then he did.

Wesley is getting a lot of those minutes that could go to Dekker, while shooting 22% from three. On Doc's behalf, I will say that Dekker seems to have trouble defending at the SF position on those occasions when he is out there. Small Forwards appear to be too quick for him.


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Agreed that Wesley sucks.

Btw, I don't think the type of guard you suggest we should trade for is available. I agree that it would be a good move, but can't think of an example of a player like that the Clippers can get.


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For those of you who have ever seen it, think of ball movement is like square dancing

." Take your partner by the hand, circle left then a right and left grand"

It always is in 4/4. Each dancer knows all the moves and the relationship between them and the rest of the dancers. All the caller has to do is call out the moves and the dancers act appropriately. Doc's system looks like dancing today, like people haven't taken their seizure meds. BTW the caller is the coach.

In other words, ball movement is not rocket science. You have a good caller and the dancers know the steps. Believe it or not, we had to learn square dancing in high school.


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Agreed that Wesley sucks.

Btw, I don't think the type of guard you suggest we should trade for is available. I agree that it would be a good move, but can't think of an example of a player like that the Clippers can get.

If we had been willing to give up DJ this past summer, I would bet we could have had Avery Bradley and Kelly Olynik right now and perhaps a pick. Guys pop up in the NBA and they surprise you when they become available.


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Silasie wrote:
Can you believe that in the past some posters on this forum refuted that there is any nepotism practised on the team, I wonder if they still do? I can't believe that Balmer has put up with it so long.

Get rid of Doc, give Austin a chance to see if he can be a decent bench player in this league without any undeserved mins, and if not get rid of all the Rivers.

Guys, I think we're WAY too critical of Austin as Clipper team fans. I don't think he has a controversial nepotism issue, but he has a very Controversial Play Style.He takes gambles that sometimes don't pay like that dumb steal attempt that left his man open for 3... But he does do some things. He is shooting 45% from 3 this year. FORTY FIVE. He is a guard that can really explode, or be a black hole. I want to say that I don't think he and Doc are perfect, but this nepotism thing I think is exaggerated. He's a good player. Not the best, but he's pretty good. Lest we forget how he fought with a broken eye in an elimination game against the Blazers in the playoffs...


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Guys, I think we're WAY too critical of Austin as Clipper team fans. I don't think he has a controversial nepotism issue, but he has a very Controversial Play Style.He takes gambles that sometimes don't pay like that dumb steal attempt that left his man open for 3... But he does do some things. He is shooting 45% from 3 this year. FORTY FIVE. He is a guard that can really explode, or be a black hole. I want to say that I don't think he and Doc are perfect, but this nepotism thing I think is exaggerated. He's a good player. Not the best, but he's pretty good. Lest we forget how he fought with a broken eye in an elimination game against the Blazers in the playoffs...

Totally agree. The only thing wrong with Austin is having his father coach him. The nepotism is clear even if Austin is a solid player.


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Totally agree. The only thing wrong with Austin is having his father coach him. The nepotism is clear even if Austin is a solid player.

Haha Austin is far from a good player. My complaints would be the same whether or if doc was his father, but with Doc as his father, he gets way more playing time than he should


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Guys, I think we're WAY too critical of Austin as Clipper team fans. I don't think he has a controversial nepotism issue, but he has a very Controversial Play Style.He takes gambles that sometimes don't pay like that dumb steal attempt that left his man open for 3... But he does do some things. He is shooting 45% from 3 this year. FORTY FIVE. He is a guard that can really explode, or be a black hole. I want to say that I don't think he and Doc are perfect, but this nepotism thing I think is exaggerated. He's a good player. Not the best, but he's pretty good. Lest we forget how he fought with a broken eye in an elimination game against the Blazers in the playoffs...
I don't understand this. If a player tries to do something fancy, like get a steal, but is so bad at it that it results in a three point shot from the other team...how is this a plus. This is like the rationale people used for Crawford. He never should have chucked up shots but everyone kept backing him with the perennial, "yeah, but when his shot goes in he's awesome." Inconsistency is damning even more so than constant failure. Constant failures will at least never get your hopes up..you know what you have and move on. You know not to commit to them and trade them or let them go. Austin is the ULTIMATE inconsistent player. What is the source of loyalty to this kid? Heart? Heart doesn't win games. I never understood this blind loyalty clippers fans have to terrible players and coaches.


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One player can help ball movement but isn't the reason for ball movement.

Ball movement isn't just about individual assists. Hell Westbrook gets 16 assists some nights and the ball movement is horrible.

It's more of scheme and coaching than anything. Most players at the nba level can pass the ball. Ball movement is about keeping the ball moving while players continue us to rotate and cut.

Just watch the spurs. They have a system built on player and ball movement.

Doc has not installed these schemes and make it mandatory that they run them.

He claimed that it was because cp3 was so elite that he just let him run the offense. But now you see Doc just doesn't have the b-ball knowledge to install such schemes and continue to coach his players into it.

Yeah, we have no off the ball movement at all right now, everyone's just standing around when they don't have the ball. Don't know if the guys are just unmotivated or lost on the schemes. To my eyes it looks like the effort and focus just haven't been where they need to be. Either way if it doesn't get corrected soon we're in for a long season.


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CP3Best wrote:
Guys, I think we're WAY too critical of Austin as Clipper team fans. I don't think he has a controversial nepotism issue, but he has a very Controversial Play Style.He takes gambles that sometimes don't pay like that dumb steal attempt that left his man open for 3... But he does do some things. He is shooting 45% from 3 this year. FORTY FIVE. He is a guard that can really explode, or be a black hole. I want to say that I don't think he and Doc are perfect, but this nepotism thing I think is exaggerated. He's a good player. Not the best, but he's pretty good. Lest we forget how he fought with a broken eye in an elimination game against the Blazers in the playoffs...

The nepotism could easily cause a coach to lose a locker room. Even if Austin was an allstar it would still be a weird set up. I do think you are being naive when it comes to human relations/group politics etc. I really can't believe Balmer has put up with it so long.


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I don't think Austin is as bad as advertised on here sometimes, but he isn't as good as him or his Dad think he is either. He gets superstar minutes, and line ups ran just to keep him on the floor.

He's a ball stopper most of the time. He was doing better at finishing towards the rim, but that wasn't the case in the last game. His 3 is falling at a decent rate, but half his shots do have me wishing he would pass the f'n ball most of the time (some go on and have me saying ok this time). Defensively I think he is overrated and is an ok defender and maybe slightly better than average at the 1-2 spots.


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Haha Austin is far from a good player. My complaints would be the same whether or if doc was his father, but with Doc as his father, he gets way more playing time than he should

He's shooting 45% from three, can break down the defense and get to the hoop causing help to come over, which can open up others. He's a good defender. Him being "far" from a good player is just wishful hate, or remembering him from three years ago and not wanted to see his improvement. He's not a great player, but would be a good player off the bench and a marginal starting level player.


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He's shooting 45% from three, can break down the defense and get to the hoop causing help to come over, which can open up others. He's a good defender. Him being "far" from a good player is just wishful hate, or remembering him from three years ago and not wanted to see his improvement. He's not a great player, but would be a good player off the bench and a marginal starting level player.

When has Austin getting to the basket opened up anything for anybody? Austin goes to the basket with a one track mind. Do a stupid floater or turn the ball over.

Even when he drives and Dj is wide open in the paint he still for his own shot


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I agree, he's a poor passer, but just getting to the hoop leaves DJ open for put backs and weak side rebounding. And he is able to make that pass on occasion.


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He's shooting 45% from three, can break down the defense and get to the hoop causing help to come over, which can open up others. He's a good defender. Him being "far" from a good player is just wishful hate, or remembering him from three years ago and not wanted to see his improvement. He's not a great player, but would be a good player off the bench and a marginal starting level player.

Good player to have off the bench and good player are not the same. Yes he is a great option for instant offense "IF" and that a big IF he can continue to shoot the 3 well. Honestly though, I don't think he would accept that role. And no it's not blindful hate just reality, he makes so many boneheaded plays on defense and offense and severely hampers our offense if he isn't scoring. Just like Jamal. He also is an atrocious rebounder


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I agree on the rebounding. He's slight for a SG and can't play the point effectively. But his three point shooting percentages have risen almost every year, the result of a good work ethic in the off season. Despite his decision to leave JJ Redick the other night, I have found him generally to be a smart player, who works hard and is toward the top of the league in giving an honest effort.

A good player to have coming off the bench is, in fact, a good player. Doc did have him coming off the bench before Milos went down. I agree with everyone that he gets more playing time than he's earned (and more money) but none of that is his fault. In my view, he is a solid bench player on a good team, or good enough to start on teams with weak backcourts. We could do a hell of a lot worse.


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The nepotism could easily cause a coach to lose a locker room. Even if Austin was an allstar it would still be a weird set up. I do think you are being naive when it comes to human relations/group politics etc. I really can't believe Balmer has put up with it so long.
Perception is the reality for people. Even if there was no nepotism, it doesn't matter, because everything is under extra scrutiny. Every Time Austin is called off the bench instead of someone else, every time he's not pulled for a mistake or a perceived mistake, every time he's not reprimanded for doing something wrong, basically anything, there will be that aura and that background of "well maybe it is just because his dad is the coach". That is the problem, and this is why I said before that even though Austin isn't as terrible as some people say, the fact that nepotism can even be suggested makes it a bad decision to have him around.

It's generally different for coaches at lower levels because their sons are usually stars, and those players should almost never be off the floor, but even then, you can have favorable treatment, but it's a different dynamic. With Austin being a marginal player, any justification of him over another marginal player, well whether it is right or not, whether it can be justified or not, there's ALWAYS going to be the background thought of "well it was just nepotism", and that is why you don't even open up the possibility of it by not having this situation.


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I don't think Austin is as bad as advertised on here sometimes, but he isn't as good as him or his Dad think he is either. He gets superstar minutes, and line ups ran just to keep him on the floor.

He's a ball stopper most of the time. He was doing better at finishing towards the rim, but that wasn't the case in the last game. His 3 is falling at a decent rate, but half his shots do have me wishing he would pass the f'n ball most of the time (some go on and have me saying ok this time). Defensively I think he is overrated and is an ok defender and maybe slightly better than average at the 1-2 spots.

With Austin's skill set, he should not be getting more than ten minutes a game. He should not be starting; he should be a bench player. To balance out this team, we also need to give the rookies some minutes in order to ensure that we develop. Good teams don't draft and let rookies rot on the bench, they find some way to use them and develop them for when the vets get too old.


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I agree on the rebounding. He's slight for a SG and can't play the point effectively. But his three point shooting percentages have risen almost every year, the result of a good work ethic in the off season. Despite his decision to leave JJ Redick the other night, I have found him generally to be a smart player, who works hard and is toward the top of the league in giving an honest effort.

A good player to have coming off the bench is, in fact, a good player. Doc did have him coming off the bench before Milos went down. I agree with everyone that he gets more playing time than he's earned (and more money) but none of that is his fault. In my view, he is a solid bench player on a good team, or good enough to start on teams with weak backcourts. We could do a hell of a lot worse.

Well there's a flip side of that "we could do a hell of a lot worse" coin. Like, we could do a hell of a better too.

Not the best way to improve your team....with the we could do a hell of a worse mantra. Sigh.


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Well there's a flip side of that "we could do a hell of a lot worse" coin. Like, we could do a hell of a better too.

Not the best way to improve your team....with the we could do a hell of a worse mantra. Sigh.

He's here. Wanting to flip him for somebody better doesn't usually happen because smart people run other organizations. Bottom line, we got him for next to nothing; Douglas Roberts, Bullock and a second round pick. He was a steal. I get that some people like him more or less than others, but bringing him here was about the only good move Doc made as GM. No question that trade was a huge plus to us.


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With Austin's skill set, he should not be getting more than ten minutes a game. He should not be starting; he should be a bench player. To balance out this team, we also need to give the rookies some minutes in order to ensure that we develop. Good teams don't draft and let rookies rot on the bench, they find some way to use them and develop them for when the vets get too old.
Rookies minutes are definitely not a problem so far. Our second round rookies are playing more than some first-round rookies on bad teams, Sindarius has played 196 minutes, 21 mpg over the last 8 games, and Evans has already played 79 minutes. Doc is actually doing something right, crazy, I know, and Thornwell is even getting minutes over Dekker


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I really think that Doc is making a grave mistake in not utilizing Dekker more. He needs minutes to prove himself, remember, he's coming off of injuries. I like his size and he can get to the basket plus he's a young dude. Austin's minutes should be cut or Doc needs to do away with that 3 guard lineup.


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Agent0 wrote:
Perception is the reality for people. Even if there was no nepotism, it doesn't matter, because everything is under extra scrutiny. Every Time Austin is called off the bench instead of someone else, every time he's not pulled for a mistake or a perceived mistake, every time he's not reprimanded for doing something wrong, basically anything, there will be that aura and that background of "well maybe it is just because his dad is the coach". That is the problem, and this is why I said before that even though Austin isn't as terrible as some people say, the fact that nepotism can even be suggested makes it a bad decision to have him around.

It's generally different for coaches at lower levels because their sons are usually stars, and those players should almost never be off the floor, but even then, you can have favorable treatment, but it's a different dynamic. With Austin being a marginal player, any justification of him over another marginal player, well whether it is right or not, whether it can be justified or not, there's ALWAYS going to be the background thought of "well it was just nepotism", and that is why you don't even open up the possibility of it by not having this situation.

Exactly............just doesn't make sense having them on the same team.


Agent0
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Anxioustobebest wrote:
I really think that Doc is making a grave mistake in not utilizing Dekker more. He needs minutes to prove himself, remember, he's coming off of injuries. I like his size and he can get to the basket plus he's a young dude. Austin's minutes should be cut or Doc needs to do away with that 3 guard lineup.
Dekker's minutes should come from Johnson's minutes, Johnson should not be playing anymore, that experiment is long over.

I'm not mad at Sindarius playing over Dekker though, he has so much more potential defensively.


powersurge95
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How many of you feel that management is influencing the medical staff to hold our players out longer than they should. With the exception of Milos, Patrick and Dino's injuries seem a little clandestine. I love conspiracy theories and I won't be surprise this is being done on purpose. The more L's the clippers have the easier it is to fire Doc. I think it's their exit strategy and an excuse to move on. Once Doc is gone they can trade Jr. without upsetting the coaching staff.


tense2
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powersurge95 wrote:
How many of you feel that management is influencing the medical staff to hold our players out longer than they should. With the exception of Milos, Patrick and Dino's injuries seem a little clandestine. I love conspiracy theories and I won't be surprise this is being done on purpose. The more L's the clippers have the easier it is to fire Doc. I think it's their exit strategy and an excuse to move on. Once Doc is gone they can trade Jr. without upsetting the coaching staff.

Now I see why you love conspiracy theories, lol. Ahh, don't think so. Next.


Shaa-Maan
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don't know where to put this and i didn't want to create a new thread so i'll put it here because it has something to do with coaching...

I've stumbled upon this article on the clippers offense.

http://16winsaring.com/whats-the-deal-w ... -clippers/

it basically says that there is no off ball movement and that's the main problem... like we didn't know that Very Happy


toohipcliptoslip
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What you say is true but how much of our problem is really defense? How many times have we dug ourselves into a huge hole then hunker down and play D and make it a close game. What if we hadn't allowed those huge runs in the first quarter. That's what Doc's problem is. Think about it, If we played only the last three quarters some of those game would have been wins.


toohipcliptoslip
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powersurge95 wrote:
How many of you feel that management is influencing the medical staff to hold our players out longer than they should. With the exception of Milos, Patrick and Dino's injuries seem a little clandestine. I love conspiracy theories and I won't be surprise this is being done on purpose. The more L's the clippers have the easier it is to fire Doc. I think it's their exit strategy and an excuse to move on. Once Doc is gone they can trade Jr. without upsetting the coaching staff.

If the medical staff is worse than other medical staffs in the league, they get fired. The front office knows what the standard of care around the league is. Those guys make Big, I mean BIG bucks for doing a good job. Let's say they do a good job with the Clipps, then they get the Kings then the Dodgers. That's how it works. a hypothetical list of teams.Sports medicine guys are in heaven with the two new teams especially football. with so many injuries.


cobra
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Wrong post


clipperharry
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fire Doc and get bad boy Rick pitino


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