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Ok, I'll start off by saying that this is purely conjecture on my part but after the dust has settled, CP3 gambled on a 200 million dollar contract that the Clippers had on the table for a chance to play with Melo, on a better team. The only reason why I see CP3 turning down that contract was partly due to that fact that the Melo deal was never made by Doc. This was CP3's last big contract he was going to receive based on his age (32yrs) and he left that for what? Why? Something had to piss him so bad to leave that kind of money.

I am sure there was a wink wink going on in Houston about trading for Melo in there. There is no other logical reason for him to leave to a team where he will become the secondary ball-handler or at the very least, sacrifice his game to make it work. That will obviously take a hit come time to re-up. He will not get the same amount of money even if he doesn't decline. The mere fact that he will be 33yrs old , means he ain't ever going to see that kind of money again...And still no Melo! The Irony in all of this is that Melo ended up on the better team...On paper, that is. CP3 ended up as a redundant piece on a weaker team after we fleeced them of their future talent. Or at the very least, their future depth.

Honestly, who do you think is happier right now? Melo or CP3? I'll bet the farm and YOUR farm that CP3 has his head cupped in his hands right now. Maybe CP3 should have demanded that Doc be fired before signing. If that were the case, I would still love him on this team. But as of now, my dream is to make the playoffs and face the Rockets in the first round,. The goal here is just to face them, not necessarily to beat them, Once there, anything can happen. Just want to see this playoff matchup. How funny would that be? Watching the lowly Clippers beat the team Cp3 left for. Hey, I can dream, amirite?

Lets get this season started already.

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i think CP would sacrifice everything to make the WCFs. This trade makes as much sense as CP and Kobe.


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Oh yeah- beating Rockets would be amazing. The Clippers the would get revenge on the 3-1 debacle a couple years ago, and of course it'd just crush Chris Paul as the Clippers would prove to be a superior team without him.


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I don't think it was a "wink wink" situation with Carmelo, they were openly saying they were trying to get him for a very long time, I think he was primarily going to play with Harden, who is just a healthier and more productive star than Griffin, though I think at his best, Griffin is a similar level player, it's just that we only got to see his best in basically two seasons so far. He went first for Harden, but with an expectation/hope that they would add more, but Presti is the one that turned Oladipi / Kanter into George / Melo, even if those players are all rentals, no one is crying about losing Oladipo and Kanter. I have no clue who is happier, the season will tell. Carmelo is also now going to be a third option on a team whose system might not be able to get him as many shots as opportunities as if he was the third option next to Paul/Harden. Next to Paul/Harden he would be the third option, but still, the second leading scorer, likely still scoring 21-22 ppg. On the other hand, with Westbrook/George, he will be the third option, he will get the third fewest shots and might be an 18-19 ppg scorer. Players have ego's, so Donovan has work to do to keep those in check. I would say that Paul is probably still happier on the Rockets than he would likely be here, so I guess it worked for him in that sense, and he can have his fun. Harden, since he joined the Rockets, averages 79 games/season, Paul is just not likely to be in a playoff series with Harden out with injury as happened twice with Griffin (who hopefully has passed his injury phase), but for Harden, Paul....


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Perhaps the perennial second and first round outs led him to prematurely conclude that it was this roster, this coach, and this organization that just wasn't cutting it. He possibly believes that a change of scenery, team, and coach will change his playoff struggles. I can't imagine what is going on inside CP3's head or why he chose to leave. But one thing he's forgetting is that no matter where he goes he has to come to terms with the overlooked factor, himself.

CP3 is now paired with Harden, whom is considered to be one the best players in the league. Whether you would agree or disagree that Harden is in the top five of players is subjective, but Harden is at the very least a more impactful player than Blake is, so CP3 can't use the excuse that it was the supporting cast in Los Angeles that was to blame for the early playoff exits if he doesn't get past the second round as a member of the Houston Rockets.

I don't necessarily think Houston is the biggest threat to Golden State in the west. San Antonio and Oklahoma City, if healthy, pose a greater risk. With that being said, I think Paul may find himself in a very similar situation in Houston, which is going fishing by the second round. If that does indeed come true, Paul will have to acknowledge that he too fell short, not just his teammates.


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I agree with Joe. As soon as I saw the trade story, first instinct was "oh man, CPs gotta be heartbroken." Personally I think HOU is 5th best in West, middling in the conference. He totally lost that bet, live and learn I guess lol.


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We'll know IF he lost that bet by seasons end or maybe sooner.

Even with OKC getting Melo, Houston still better on paper, but not enough to unseed the Warriors. It should be a fun time in the WC.


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Totally agree with Joe. Rockets will have great guard play as long as Harden/CP/EG stay healthy which will probably be for about a week and a half. but then what? 33year old Ariza? Ryan Anderson, the definition of one dimensional, with 3 more years and 60mil on his contract. Nene is 35years old and couldn't stay healthy in his prime.

Cappella is the only up and comer they have left after they just gave us all their trade assets for the privilege of paying CP3 1/3rd of their cap for the next 5 years. They screwed up. If he would have opted out and they found a way to make the cap space it's not as bad but giving us all their good young guys + a pick for CP at this age was a really dumb trade on their part.

Meanwhile Melo is going to have fun this year for the first time since his early days. Even if he leaves next summer, he's gonna love this season. Westbrook is the best player he's ever played with in the NBA and Paul George might be second best. Just as he was always great in international play, he'll be great in OKC playing with other all stars and it's going to be fun to watch.


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They had no future stars among those guys and Harden clearly can't carry a team alone, though few players can anyways. Neither can Westbrook, or Durant who when he was alone in the playoffs, CP outperformed him against the same opponent, or CP, etc, etc

Dekker and Harrell are the only young ones, Bev and Lou are the same age range as their additions of Paul, Mbah and Tucker, and the Rockets always stock random young players on their bench and add new ones, since Doc wasn't their GM. In the NBA you have to take whatever chance you can get. If the Warriors get a significant injury in any of the next 3 seasons, Houston becomes a player for the finals. So their options are to be a 1st/2nd round team with Harden having to carry the team alone, or be a possible WCF and if things fall into place, finals team.

Dallas traded Harris for Kidd and got much older, and it didn't do anything for 3 seasons, some first round exits, but then they added some other older guys and they won a championship. If they kept Harris, they are younger, but no closer to winning and wouldn't have been able to take advantage of their window.

No team ever ends up crying about losing some roatation players for a star, it just doesn't happen, so I think they'll be fine. No team also cries about gaining solid rotation players in place of losing a star player for nothing, so we are also happy. It's a move any team should definitely make, a GM in that situation not making that trade to keep players like Dekker and Harrell is a bad GM. You can always replace that level of talent in free agency with the MLE, and sometimes even with a minimum player.


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That Clippers team was not fun.


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"It's a move any team should definitely make, a GM in that situation not making that trade to keep players like Dekker and Harrell is a bad GM. You can always replace that level of talent in free agency with the MLE, and sometimes even with a minimum player."

we will see about the potential that Trezi and Dekker have after watching this season. I think you will sing another tune... and that's a good thing.


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Don't miss the context, this has nothing to do with whether those players are good returns. I like Dekker, I think he can be a starter in this league, though not on the current Clippers due to the roster, but a solid backup forward here. I like Harrell, he's like a less experienced Faried without the rebounding, which is a solid and productive energy bench player. The thing is that the MLE is paying out $8-9M these days. The players we got at the MLE range back in the day were Crawford and Redick. We got Aldrich, Barnes, and Mbah at the minimum. We got Collison for the BAE. This year part of the MLE got us Teodosic. Beverley makes less than the previous MLE. Harden at 28 needed help, Rockets couldn't wait for possible role players to maybe be stars when Harden is like 30 or 31, and the FA prospects were not promising next year which puts them two seasons back in adding that star which was needed yesterday for them. Dekker and Harrell were not taking Houston anywhere without another star next to Harden and they would both still be backups there. Houston didn't have cap space without moving Anderson who can't be moved without wasting assets, and there was no good star they could have traded for where the opposing teams wouldn't be asking for guys like Harrell and Dekker back. Look at them "replacing" Harrell for example. Houston signed Tarik Black for the minimum, another young (26 years old) energy type athletic big man, he's one of those poor man DJ type players, not as good as Harrell, but in the playoffs, Harrell played 5 games and 4.2 mpg (21 total mins). For Dekker, the Rockets needed defense and they added Tucker and Mbah, guys who can....


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The Rockets will be an interesting team. Their backcourt is great with Haren, CP3 and Gordon, but it will also be problematic in terms of chemistry. CP3 needs to have the ball in his hands to be fully effective. Harden just came off a season where he played PG. Will he be content to move back to SG. Will Paul be content playing more off the ball? He's a good enough shooter to be effective there, but will he like it? Will he simply demand the ball?

If I were a betting man, and I used to be, I would be taking the early lines against them. They have too much to figure out to be effective against the spread early in the season. They will be overrated by the oddsmakers.

They will be an interesting team to watch to see how the chemistry evolves. Will it go smoothly, or will it be incendiary?


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SamMays wrote:
The Rockets will be an interesting team. Their backcourt is great with Haren, CP3 and Gordon, but it will also be problematic in terms of chemistry. CP3 needs to have the ball in his hands to be fully effective. Harden just came off a season where he played PG. Will he be content to move back to SG. Will Paul be content playing more off the ball? He's a good enough shooter to be effective there, but will he like it? Will he simply demand the ball?

If I were a betting man, and I used to be, I would be taking the early lines against them. They have too much to figure out to be effective against the spread early in the season. They will be overrated by the oddsmakers.

They will be an interesting team to watch to see how the chemistry evolves. Will it go smoothly, or will it be incendiary?

If you watch the CP3 media day video I posted, you will see CP3 discuss...err...mumble through that very situation. I don't know, I found that interview hard to watch. It's like he's trying to find things to say. Then you hear that melo is still talking about the trade that didn't happen and how he thought the deal was done in July...D'oh!

Seriously, how would you feel if you thought you were going to play with your best banana boat friend and then found out you weren't? That would be twice that CP3 had his dream come true to find out he got nothing in both instances. ouch! That's when you start to question yourself. I'm sure there is some sting left in there somewhere.

Rockets would crazy to let CP3 control the ball over Harden. Harden proved last season that he belongs at PG, Moving him to SG and slow the game down would be a mistake. Harden has taken his team further than CP3 so on the fact alone, CP3 is the one who has to adjust to him, not the other way around. Yes, the Rockets use a lot of ball movement but we know CP3 always slows the game down. If they want to help us and the West, by all means, let the best leader in the NBA run that team.


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Rockets would crazy to let CP3 control the ball over Harden. Harden proved last season that he belongs at PG, Moving him to SG and slow the game down would be a mistake. Harden has taken his team further than CP3 so on the fact alone, CP3 is the one who has to adjust to him, not the other way around. Yes, the Rockets use a lot of ball movement but we know CP3 always slows the game down. If they want to help us and the West, by all means, let the best leader in the NBA run that team.

This is exactly how I feel about that situation as well. Having CP3 control the ball will be a huge mistake, especially since that would mean limiting the effectiveness of Harden, who is one of the best scorers in the league. This puts them in a pickle because what will they do? Should they move CP3 to SG? By looking at the numbers we might be tempted to say well CP3 is efficient and all he needs to do is shoot more. However, Paul hasn't been comfortable as a shooter, and the fact that he is so efficient is because he is super safe and brings the pace down to a snails pace. I think this team of Paul and Harden may not be as successful as most people are thinking. However, for Houston to be at its most effective, you are right Joe Harden needs to be the guy controlling that ball.


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Not trying to look too far into this but CP doesn't look too happy in these interviews. He looks defeated. His mood looked a lot more positive when he had his first press conference with the Clippers.


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I don't think that the Rockets not getting Melo was the back breaker for CP3. I think that it's just overall wise in the grand scheme of the Western Conference, they don't have the depth as the other teams ahead of them. Maybe if they got to keep their bench things might look better for them but they somewhat gutted their team for Chris.


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Clemenza wrote:
I don't think that the Rockets not getting Melo was the back breaker for CP3. I think that it's just overall wise in the grand scheme of the Western Conference, they don't have the depth as the other teams ahead of them. Maybe if they got to keep their bench things might look better for them but they somewhat gutted their team for Chris.
That was a difficult situation. Houston had to act and sign Chris before the Spurs did. That being said the Rockets had way too much tied into salary to fit Chris in, so the only logical solution was to trade away some "expendable" players to the Clippers to make room for Chris. These moves allowed them to expedite the acquisition of Chris, and more importantly keep him away from the cross-state rival Spurs.

However, the down side of that is that it "gutted" the team, so their depth definitely took a big hit. They lost one of the league's best defenders in Beverley, lost two young prospects in Dekker and Harrell, and even lost a draft pick. This means if Paul's acquisition doesn't equate to a western conference appearance this trade may turn out to be a bad one for them considering what they dealt away.


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Not sure "gutted" is the right word. The replaced Beverly with a 1st ballot HOF'r, Luc the defensive specialist replaces Harrell and Tucker replaces Dekker. There going to be a lot to handle this season.


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Don't think CP3's too worried, if it doesn't work out in Houston he joins his 2 banana boat buddies in Cleveland next year. The backup plan he already had in mind when he agreed to the trade and opted in for his final year. Although D Wade wasn't there think he still had backup plan to join up with LeBron if it goes bad in Hoston.


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Clemenza wrote:
I don't think that the Rockets not getting Melo was the back breaker for CP3. I think that it's just overall wise in the grand scheme of the Western Conference, they don't have the depth as the other teams ahead of them. Maybe if they got to keep their bench things might look better for them but they somewhat gutted their team for Chris.
Actually their depth is exactly the same as last season, but better defensively, and of course they massively upgraded at PG. Their depth is not going to be the difference against the other Western teams, the depth that matters in the playoffs is those first 2-3 players off the bench, not so much the rest. Let's look at the main depth they traded: Williams/Dekker/Harrell. Harrell and Dekker played 5 games and 21 mins and 4 games and 31 minutes total in the playoffs. They were basically irrelevant. You could argue that D'Antoni should have played at least one of them more, but they were not making any difference for them in the post-season.

If we compare their top 10 players between seasons:

17-18: Harden/Paul/Capela/Gordon/Ariza/Anderson/Nene/Tucker/Mbah/Black

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16-17: Harden/Capela/Gordon/Ariza/Beverley/Anderson/Nene/Williams/Dekker/Harr ell

They replaced Beverley/Williams/Dekker/Harrell with Paul/Tucker/Mbah/Black. The latter three actually fill more needed holes on their team with defense and defensive versatility. Harrell is a better scorer and finisher than Black, but Black is bigger and a better rebounder and defender. The actually probably have better depth for the playoffs than last season, but compared to the other Western teams, likely not enough.


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Houston's pretty loaded compared or at least as loaded compared to the other WC teams except for you know who. If no injuries hit them hard they will be a very tough out.


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What makes it interesting is that Harden specifically wanted another ball handler and keeps saying he wants to play off the ball more and referencing his OKC days and saying that it is because of his team situation that he has had to be so ball dominant. The position label is probably not very important, Harden has been the primary ball handler since 2014, and technically his furthest in the playoffs was at the SG label, but that doesn't mean anything either. Harden said they've been trying for the past couple of seasons to get him another ball handler so he can play off the ball more, hence them trading for a guy like Lawson before. McHale, Harden's former coach who took them to that WCF was recently talking about the Paul addition on NBA TV, and he said that Harden has this issue where when things get tough, he starts to retreat (referencing SA game 6, probably Clippers game 6 too), and of course that makes it tough for the team if he's the only primary ball handler. He'll tend to turn it over a lot in those situations. McHale feels that Paul will be able to push Harden past those points and get him to refocus, but we'll see. Harden went further than Paul in 14-15, but not playing like he was last season, and the key game that won the series, game 6, Harden was on the bench the whole 4th quarter. If they try and make it one person adjusting to the other, they will fail. If both players adjust to each other, that's actually how they will succeed, but that's easier said than done. Paul is actually a better passer than Harden, much more accurate in getting shooters the ball on their numbers, and protects the....


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tense2 wrote:
Houston's pretty loaded compared or at least as loaded compared to the other WC teams except for you know who. If no injuries hit them hard they will be a very tough out.
I should have been more transparent. Compared to a specific Western team, it's not enough, but they can beat anyone else if things go right for them and the matchups work.


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Here, just for you Joe:


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Not sure if this was posted anywhere, but according to Peter Vecsey, CP blocked the Carmelo trade to Clips.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-chris-paul-not-doc-rivers-turned-t humbs-down-on-a-trade-for-clippers-to-acquire-carmelo-anthony/


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sz123456 wrote:
Not sure if this was posted anywhere, but according to Peter Vecsey, CP blocked the Carmelo trade to Clips.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-chris-paul-not-doc-rivers-turned-t humbs-down-on-a-trade-for-clippers-to-acquire-carmelo-anthony/

"This also provides more insight to how much Anthony is valued even by his close friends of what kind of player he is at this point of his career. The 33-year-old is still a highly productive player that has shown some signs of decline in his play."

It doesn't make any sense. CP3 blocked the trade because Melo is declining yet for some strange reason, he wanted/demanded to be traded to CP3's team? If I was to believe Vecsey, this story is doesn't make any sense. Also, I clicked on the original story where this rumor started, and all you get is a page where you pay $5 to unlock it? Yeah, I think I'll pass on this version. Here is the link to the article:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/trade-to-cavs-14513744


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CP3 disappointed in the culture of the Clippers

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So....he was mad that Doc didn't go after Carmelo? He basically implied that the Clippers weren't trying to chase the Warriors, which I'd assume he means in terms of talent since that's all that makes sense

Also interesting that in the next vid that pops up, he's basically saying he wanted to go play with someone else who would be a ball handler because he's tired of having to do so much. To be fair, part of that is also just because of injury to Blake. Well, he has another guy that can do a lot on the ball now, so we'll see how it works out. I'm not saying he should want to handle the ball a lot, it's a good thing that he wanted to be able to have others and play off the ball, but having to do it for so long, it might not be as easy as he thinks to adjust, or it might be, I don't know. Paul has interestingly never been paired with an All-Star level perimeter player, and outside of Jamal, they've always been either a shooter or a defender. Houston will be interesting to see, that is all...

The "meeting with his team" video was interesting to see though how players look at free agency with their people and looking at what players potential teams have, how adding them to a roster allows the team to match up with GS, etc, so at least that was cool.


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So....he was mad that Doc didn't go after Carmelo? He basically implied that the Clippers weren't trying to chase the Warriors, which I'd assume he means in terms of talent since that's all that makes sense

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I was waiting for someone to come to the same conclusion as I did before commenting. If anyone else can come up with another conclusion, feel free to add it in because that means CP3 left based on the Melo for Austin trade that never happened.


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I don't think the Mello thing was the entire reason CP3 decided to leave. I think the fact he wasn't getting a max contract, he was promised earlier in the season was the main reason he left.


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Anxioustobebest wrote:
I don't think the Mello thing was the entire reason CP3 decided to leave. I think the fact he wasn't getting a max contract, he was promised earlier in the season was the main reason he left.

Don't think that was the main reason Paul left. Here's a interesting (a bit long) article from the ESPN magazine on his reasons for leaving.

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/ ... chris-paul


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He finally beat the warriors in the regular season after what 2 seasons? Must feel good to have teammates that can ball


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clipper*joe wrote:
I was waiting for someone to come to the same conclusion as I did before commenting. If anyone else can come up with another conclusion, feel free to add it in because that means CP3 left based on the Melo for Austin trade that never happened.
so Joe. Paul and the rockets just lost to GSW, any moral victory?


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He finally beat the warriors in the regular season after what 2 seasons? Must feel good to have teammates that can ball

And to do it while he's on the bench too! That's the irony in it all. The Rockets look a lot better when he's on the bench. Only one game though.


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so Joe. Paul and the rockets just lost to GSW, any moral victory?

A little premature. Good win but they ended the game without CP3. It was Gordon (great game) who came through tonight.


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I don't think the Mello thing was the entire reason CP3 decided to leave. I think the fact he wasn't getting a max contract, he was promised earlier in the season was the main reason he left.
It actually wasn't that, we got the clarification about that. Ballmer in an interview said they offered and were going to give him the full max contract and the full 5 years even with his age and the possibility of him making 40+ million and not being as good at the end of the contract. He said they looked at the history of PG's at those ages, etc, but still decided thhat it was a gamble that was worth it to have a chance to win it all. Even in the video posted, Paul is saying that leaving the Clippers is leaving behind 5 years / 200+ million, so the Clippers contract offer had nothing to do with his decision.


Also supposedly he ran and hugged Darryl Morey after the game, so I guess he's happy....for now. I'm actually more annoyed that Houston was able to nab Tucker and then also get Mbah for the minimum. Those guys as part of their 8-9 man rotation are going to be difference makers. They are the kinds of players that on good teams and in the right roles really help. Rockets actually come out on top in comparison to last season in terms of quality depth and when it comes to having bench players that can defend and seemingly also fit into their stand and shoot three's or drive straight offense for role players.


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Agent0 wrote:
It actually wasn't that, we got the clarification about that. Ballmer in an interview said they offered and were going to give him the full max contract and the full 5 years even with his age and the possibility of him making 40+ million and not being as good at the end of the contract. He said they looked at the history of PG's at those ages, etc, but still decided thhat it was a gamble that was worth it to have a chance to win it all. Even in the video posted, Paul is saying that leaving the Clippers is leaving behind 5 years / 200+ million, so the Clippers contract offer had nothing to do with his decision.


Also supposedly he ran and hugged Darryl Morey after the game, so I guess he's happy....for now. I'm actually more annoyed that Houston was able to nab Tucker and then also get Mbah for the minimum. Those guys as part of their 8-9 man rotation are going to be difference makers. They are the kinds of players that on good teams and in the right roles really help. Rockets actually come out on top in comparison to last season in terms of quality depth and when it comes to having bench players that can defend and seemingly also fit into their stand and shoot three's or drive straight offense for role players.

That was crazy how they got two studs for the minimum


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A little premature. Good win but they ended the game without CP3. It was Gordon (great game) who came through tonight.
If Gordon plays like he did tonight for the rest of the season, and if CP figures it out with Harden, as well as gets healthier as he was a little limpy and slow out there, it actually makes Houston very dangerous. I'm not sure Gordon can maintain this though, he's gone away from the attacking player he used to be since the injuries got him, and last year he played the most games he's played since his rookie season while playing 31 mpg, but last year he mostly stayed on the perimeter and was not attacking (as much, he did attack a bit).

I want him to do well, but maybe not so much on a rival team, but still happy for him, it's been sad seeing the sort of watered-down version of him that was more like a JJ Redick who can dribble than the athletic attacker who can also shoot that he was when he was younger and didn't have 9 injuries.


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jarca wrote:
That was crazy how they got two studs for the minimum
Tucker was for the MLE, so he wasn't cheap, but I was surprised that they got Luc for the minimum. I know CP recruited him, but what did he offer him to take just the minimum, part of his contract? I feel like someone could have offered him at least a bit more than that with how well he defends and his ability to defend many positions, something the whole league is in love with these days.


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clipper*joe wrote:
A little premature. Good win but they ended the game without CP3. It was Gordon (great game) who came through tonight.
damn, just saw that guess my browser was slow to updatelol


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clipper*joe wrote:
And to do it while he's on the bench too! That's the irony in it all. The Rockets look a lot better when he's on the bench. Only one game though.
well, I've been on a rockets forum and some are Already concerned about Paul's fit there


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The Rockets seemed better and faster when CP3 was on the bench, but as Joe says, it's only one game.

One thing is very clear, we dodged a bullet when CP3 didn't sign here. Last year's team wasn't going to ever get there, were dull to watch and continual playoff failures. Had Paul stayed, it would have been more of the same, until age caused his play to slip and then it would have gotten worse. The last two or three years of his contract would have been dreadful.

We may not be quite as good, but we'll be younger, faster, deeper, more fun to watch and have more potential for the future.


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It'll probably take 20 or so games before the Rockets (Harden) and Paul finds their rhythm together. Then we should have a much better picture of what he can produce for the team and how it will work out between him and Harden. Still Paul's 1st game with them wasn't bad while playing with a bum knee....11 asst, 1 T.O. 8 rebounds, 2 steals while shooting just 2/9 and pulling off a win against their nemesis at their house.


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tense2 wrote:
It'll probably take 20 or so games before the Rockets (Harden) and Paul finds their rhythm together. Then we should have a much better picture of what he can produce for the team and how it will work out between him and Harden. Still Paul's 1st game with them wasn't bad while playing with a bum knee....11 asst, 1 T.O. 8 rebounds, 2 steals while shooting just 2/9 and pulling off a win against their nemesis at their house.
Yea, we'll see. It's likely that the biggest advantage for them is actually the ability to stagger them. D'Antoni said he plans to play them 18 mins together, then stagger and have one on the court at all times, that will be hard for most teams to match up with especially since both can get paired with Gordon when the other is off.

MDA said he sat him late due to knee soreness, which was why he missed their last pre-season game and was slower last night, so the injuries have already started for him. He did make some key plays with the two late steals and kept them in striking distance, but that's stuff we already know Paul can do.


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SamMays wrote:
The Rockets seemed better and faster when CP3 was on the bench, but as Joe says, it's only one game.

One thing is very clear, we dodged a bullet when CP3 didn't sign here. Last year's team wasn't going to ever get there, were dull to watch and continual playoff failures. Had Paul stayed, it would have been more of the same, until age caused his play to slip and then it would have gotten worse. The last two or three years of his contract would have been dreadful.

We may not be quite as good, but we'll be younger, faster, deeper, more fun to watch and have more potential for the future.

Agreed. My only gripe is we didn't go full rebuild mode. This is the best time to rebuild when it's pretty much GSW and Cle landscape for the new few years


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SamMays wrote:
The Rockets seemed better and faster when CP3 was on the bench, but as Joe says, it's only one game.

One thing is very clear, we dodged a bullet when CP3 didn't sign here. Last year's team wasn't going to ever get there, were dull to watch and continual playoff failures. Had Paul stayed, it would have been more of the same, until age caused his play to slip and then it would have gotten worse. The last two or three years of his contract would have been dreadful.

We may not be quite as good, but we'll be younger, faster, deeper, more fun to watch and have more potential for the future.

I feel the same way. Much success to Paul but thank god we're not on the hook for $210 million


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jarca wrote:
Agreed. My only gripe is we didn't go full rebuild mode. This is the best time to rebuild when it's pretty much GSW and Cle landscape for the new few years
Jarca, I have been the loudest voice on this issue as well. GSW is going to dominate the landscape for the next few years. What OKC, Boston, Cleveland, and Houston did was certainly add pieces to dethrones GSW, so what's the point of even continuing with fielding a team in this landscape. We should have done what Boston did and essentially traded everyone away for high picks. Then by the time the picks have developed try to contend.


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Doc Rivers says 'there were a lot of reasons' why Chris Paul wanted off the Clippers

"I think he was tired of hearing my voice," Rivers said. "I think Chris is a guy who is very opinionated, wants to be coached 'kind of,' if you know what I'm saying, but wants a partnership as well. And it's tough from a coaching perspective. You gotta have a partnership but at times, you've gotta make the call. I thought that bothered him."

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