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AirGriffin
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Looks like the Celtics want Blake, and as much as I would hate to see him go, any one is expendable for the right price/package.

What would you guys like to see if this trade was to happen? What players/pick would be a fair trade to receive in return of trading Blake to Boston?

I personally say, play hard ball and make them over pay a bit by requiring one of the best players and top 3 power forwards in the NBA today who's in his prime and seems who can even take his game a notch higher.

I would want the Celtics to agree to one of the following packages:

Crowder, Bradley, 2017 Brookyln pick

Jaylen Brown, 2017 Brooklyn Pick

Crowder, Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart


ClipsRebuild
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Blake Griffin was traded to the Celtics for Kelly Olynyk

Jae Crowder and Avery Bradley.


AirGriffin
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ClipsRebuild wrote:
Blake Griffin was traded to the Celtics for Kelly Olynyk

Jae Crowder and Avery Bradley.

Not true. This is BS. Don't know if you're trolling or not...


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Crowder Bradley and Brooklyn pick for blake. send that Brooklyn pick to the sixers for okafor. No point taking the risk of letting doc draft somone. He's the f&@%ing worst. Might as well trade it for someone who we know already has skill and can become somone great.


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itsLuigi wrote:
Crowder Bradley and Brooklyn pick for blake. send that Brooklyn pick to the sixers for okafor. No point taking the risk of letting doc draft somone. He's the f&@%ing worst. Might as well trade it for someone who we know already has skill and can become somone great.

I rather see how high the pick can get, Okafor isn't worth a top 3 pick given the insane talent the 2017 Draft has to offer.

Not even Doc can f*ck that up.

We would look this next:

Paul - Bradley - Crowder - Speights - DJ

We would have our superstar for the future lined up with that 2017 Brooklyn pick.

We instantly get better defensively with that line up. And have a better bench with having JJ leading the bench in scoring.

We would have 3 first team all defense members in our starting line up and Crowder would be the best SF we've had in a long time and be another great piece to add to the defensive juggernaut line up of Bradley, Paul, and DJ.

I can only imagine of the possibilities of the 2017 draft lottery, Harry Giles, Jayson Tatum, Fultz, Josh Jackson, etc.


WhoDeyClip
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If we do it the target is Russell Westbrook either this year or next. Trade Blake for crowder, Olynk and 1st round pick. We won't go after Bradley, too many sg on team right now. We either do a sign and trade with okc for 1st round pick and JJ Reddick for Westbrook. Or we wait till next year draft top 3 and sign Westbrook anyway. Next year's team Paul, Westbrook, drafted SF, crowder DJ.


ClipperPostman
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God I hope not. Cp3 would def be leaving next summer and we probably would make it out the first round.

I mean Mo speights at your starting 4 getting 30-32 mins per game.

Sounds like a nightmare


AirGriffin
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God I hope not. Cp3 would def be leaving next summer and we probably would make it out the first round.

I mean Mo speights at your starting 4 getting 30-32 mins per game.

Sounds like a nightmare

CP3 is great but let's face it, we've been nothing but a second round exit since he's gotten here.

If he wants to leave, there's nothing we can do.

If we get a package that gives us Bradley, Crowder, and Brooklyns first we immediately get better as we are giving ourself a new superstar for the future and solid wing play and defense.

If CP decides to stay, we have enough cap room to sign Westbrook. Bradley can come off the bench and crowder can be our starting SF. And our PF, can be a big SF we can draft in Jackson or Tatum that can play the 4, that's if we don't get the first pick because that appears to be that Harry Giles ks going first. That guy is an absolute monster.

I mean talk about potentially having the best backcourt in NBA history potentially... CP and Westbrook playing the 2 as a combo guard...?

CP - Westbrook - Crowder - draft pick - DJ


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Would Blake want to go to Boston?


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The main problem with Blake going is I would have to change my picture and I have forgotten how to do it Wink


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Best scenario. Blake goes to Boston for Crowder, olynk, and 1st round pick. We trade JJ, 1st round pick and future first round pick to OKC for westbrook and Roberson.

Crowder would play the 4. How many teams in the west conference have two skilled bigs, Thunder,Spurs with old gasol. You can get away with crowder at the 4 in today's nba. CP3, Westbrook, Johnson/Roberson, Crowder and Dj. Def would be top notch. Roberson/Johnson would be a liability on offense but jamal would play crunch time anyway, you know Doc.We would have a bench of rivers, Crawford, Wes johnson, Speights and Olynk.


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We almost have to get Boston's first round pick to get Westbrook this year and I think that's the play. Waiting a year means CP3 is a year older and a free agent. Getting Westbrook this year I think locks cp3 in, unless both of them being so competitive drives cp3 out.


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Clippers ultimate trade. Blake and Pierce to Celtics. Clippers get from Celtics Olynk, Crowder and Nets 1st round pick via Boston, most likely top 5 pick. Boston also trades Amir Johnson to OKC. Clippers then trade JJ Reddick and 1st round pick from Celtics to OKC to get Russell Westbrook. Why Boston would do it, they want Blake bad. Trading Crowder gives room to play Jaylon Brown. Why Clippers do it, Russell Westbrook, small ball lineup matches with OKC. Better defensively and can spread the floor, unclog the paint for DJ. Why Thunder do it, they can cut JJ and Amir next offseason and free up 20 million to sign max player to play with Oladipo. They most likely tank this year and get a top 5 pick, they also get a top 5 pick from the trade. Okc would have oladipo, max player (Gordon), two top 5 picks, Adams and Kanter. Works in trade machine, come on Clips do it.


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AirGriffin wrote:
Looks like the Celtics want Blake, and as much as I would hate to see him go, any one is expendable for the right price/package.

What would you guys like to see if this trade was to happen? What players/pick would be a fair trade to receive in return of trading Blake to Boston?

I personally say, play hard ball and make them over pay a bit by requiring one of the best players and top 3 power forwards in the NBA today who's in his prime and seems who can even take his game a notch higher.

I would want the Celtics to agree to one of the following packages:

Crowder, Bradley, 2017 Brookyln pick

Jaylen Brown, 2017 Brooklyn Pick

Crowder, Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart

Well, I'm not really thrilled with the thought of trading Blake, but if we do we have to get maximum return for him. So it would have to be the first one or the last one, because Brown and a pick is not nearly enough return for Griffin. And forget about that silly rumor that has us trading Blake in a three team trade for a package centered around Rudy Gay, even Doc can't be that stupid (I hope).


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I don't mind trading Blake it would at least change the team up. We have little shot to beat the Warriors as is. Match up really poorly. Here is the kings, clippers, Celtics trade. Clippers get Rudy Gay, Amir Johnson, and Olynk. Sacramento gets Crowder, Bostons first round pick(Presumably the lower one), Boston gets BG and Paul Pierce. Works in trade machine and what is semi rumored. Doc has been chasing a SF forever. I hope this doesn't happen because we would not beat GS. It would allow us to dump Amirs 12 million the following year and sign another max player. So 2017-2018 would be Cp3, if he resigns, Westbrook, gay, some scrub PF, and Dj.


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I have spoken to several sports writers. Most of them said "This is first time they heard about Boston discussing a trade for Blake Griffin" even a writer from Boston told me this.

They go on to say people try to make a name for themselves for writing this non-sense stories.

Also they said they are sure Boston just like the all the other teams did call the Clippers. Clippers listen but that's it.

One writer said the Clippers will hold out for a Russell Westbrook trade if they can do it.

Sorry guys no BG32 to Boston! Smile


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Gay, Olynyk, Brooklyn's 2017 pick, Sac's 2018 1st rd pick, our 2019 pick back from Boston

We get 3 good picks in return for Blake so when we win 49 games this year and Doc gets fired, the new GM and/or coach have something to work with. If we're a 6 seed or lower at the deadline, trade CP3 to a team willing to overpay.


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As I revisit this trade It's even more horrible.

Trade a flat out superstar MVP level player in Blake for middle of the pack role players and a draft pick that isn't guaranteed to get you anything good.

This would be one of the worse trades in clippers history.

Doc would solidify himself as a moron of a Gm, and would officially ruin this team.

If Blake is traded it needs to be for another superstar, not middle of the pack role players.

Blake for Westbrook wouldn't be bad.

I'd even take Blake for Anthony davis.


AirGriffin
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realbull17 wrote:
I have spoken to several sports writers. Most of them said "This is first time they heard about Boston discussing a trade for Blake Griffin" even a writer from Boston told me this.

They go on to say people try to make a name for themselves for writing this non-sense stories.

Also they said they are sure Boston just like the all the other teams did call the Clippers. Clippers listen but that's it.

One writer said the Clippers will hold out for a Russell Westbrook trade if they can do it.

Sorry guys no BG32 to Boston! Smile

We never know, this isn't the first time this got caught traction.

If the Celtics reportedly pursue Blake, and the Clippers pull the trigger, it would just be nice to explore what options potentially we can end up with and what everyone here can seem to be happy with in terms of what we think we could get for equal value in return.


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ClipperPostman wrote:
As I revisit this trade It's even more horrible.

Trade a flat out superstar MVP level player in Blake for middle of the pack role players and a draft pick that isn't guaranteed to get you anything good.

This would be one of the worse trades in clippers history.

Doc would solidify himself as a moron of a Gm, and would officially ruin this team.

If Blake is traded it needs to be for another superstar, not middle of the pack role players.

Blake for Westbrook wouldn't be bad.

I'd even take Blake for Anthony davis.

League wide consensus is that Westbrook and Davis are better players than Blake and they are right. No way a straight up trade will ever happen, Davis (aside of his injuries), is no where near his prime and has not hit his full potential as much as Blake has. Anthony Davis can be a MVP, DPOY, First Team All Defense, all in the same year if he just stayed healthy and had a great season. Blake is no shot blocker, no rim protector, doesn't shoot free throws as well, and doesn't seem to have his offense come as easy as Davis does.

Anthony Davis is just something else, too bad his injuries have been holding him back.

And as for Westbrook, that's about as clear as day that Westbrook is much better than Blake and no one would ever do that trade straight up.

Crowder, Bradley, and Brooklyns pick (which can land anywhere from 1-3 in my opinion) is very worth it. We need to do a small rebuild while we stay competitive because year in and out we have been nothing but second round exits. This team has never even had a 60+ win season. Tired of making excuses for this team.

Bradley like I said is first team all defense and good enough offensively to replace JJ in the starting line up. Crowder is very good defensively too. How would this trade be so bad? We would be a top 1-3 defense in this league. We would be competitive enough to where CP can be happy to stay. Look how good we did without Blake during the season, I think Bradley and Crowder will help us get the #2 seed this year and that's all we can ask for.

And to top it off we have our pick for the future in case CP decides to walk. This 2017 draft class is no joke.

Oh yeah, and last thing, we clear cap space and with another cap increase after this upcoming year we can offer a another max contract to a star player. You know what that means.... Wink

We have options: Westbrook, Millsap, Ibaka, Hayward, and more.


tense2
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This trade rumor has a less then 5% chance of happening. Next.


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3 team trade:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jhomwyw

Celtics also send the Brooklyn 1st round pick to Clippers. Thoughts?


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Nope, no way is it worth it. I get mad just reading about this stupid crap. If we were getting Westbrook (which I don't like the fit), or Davis you could convince me that it is a good idea. If you are at least getting a notch lower superstar such as Jimmy Butler or a Derozan out of the deal maybe and a role player or two. If you try to convince me that Blake for one good role Player (Crowder), a defensive point guard who can't shoot (Smart), and a rookie who might be good (Jaylen Brown); I say please just walk away and don't speak basketball to me anymore. This infatuation with these players is crazy,

No, Westbrook and Davis aren't clearly better than Blake. It isn't a consensus, it's more of a discussion where people might have different arguments to why they think one or the other. Davis is injury prone (Blake can be considered injury prone too), and has not had the success that Blake has (more than likely due to team). Westbrook and Blake are just about in the same place, Westbrook just happen to have a better year than Blake. If we ask the year prior after Blake went on a tear before running out of gas, Blake gets the better side of the argument and now that he was the one coming off the injury it is the opposite. Blake is a much more efficient player in my opinion.

Blake is our best shot at getting better. His game is the match up nightmare for teams. Once we get to the playoffs, Guards cancel each other out. CP3, Westbrook, Curry, Conley, Lillard, etc... you are not pulling away with guard play, because every team we meet in the playoffs that is a possible threat has good to great guards. The only player that we have that is something that can consistently demand a double team is Blake.


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I'm not here to be biased, my username is in honor of Blake, but I'm keeping it real. Westbrook and Davis are better than Blake and that's not an opinion. And I said injuries aside, Davis is favored over Blake. And of course success will look different when you play with CP and DJ. Who does Anthony Davis have? I mean how is that even fair? And I guess all of a sudden guard play won't matter and they just "cancel each other out".... Ummmm what? That was so ridiculous I can't even begin to fathom that. How on earth does that make any sense? Only the 2 time reigning MVP is a guard who happened to have a mediocre finals series, but look at Kyrie Irving, look at the history of THIS LEAGUE. Jordan, Kobe, Wade, Iverson, Magic, Isaiah Thomas, McGrady, Nash, just some of the best players of all time are guards. Good guard play at a high consistent level doesn't just "cancel" out LMAO GOOD guard play wins championships. Just because a lot of teams have good to great guards doesn't mean they are less important or any less of a factor to be effective in the postseason. Many people claim Westbrook to be the best PG in the game, he literally can do everything on the court. His shooting may not be as good as Curry's and his passing might not be as good as Paul's but the guy can do everything. I say we make the trade and shed salary and put ourselves in a position to sign him next year so he can come back home to LA. The Lakers are still rebuilding so he might just want to bring his talents to the Clippers to win their first ever Chamoionship. So let's see, 2017 top 3 pick, 2 great....


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Oklahoma City papers reports Russell Westbrook likely to be moved to Boston. Smile


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LABraves4Life wrote:
3 team trade:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jhomwyw

Celtics also send the Brooklyn 1st round pick to Clippers. Thoughts?

Doesn't matter...it ain't happening anyway. Smile


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Russell isn't going to Boston. He is an LA/scene guy. He's coming to the Lakers, Clippers or Heat. Clippers are the most appealing.


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Here's a trade that works in the trade machine. Blake and a 2nd rounder to OKC for Westbrook. JJ and a future first rounder to SAC for Rudy Gay. Starters would be CP3, Westbrook, Gay, Luc, DJ. 3 point shooting would be questionable but you get a big 4.


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Cp3 and Westbrook sound good in theory, but they are both PGs, who play with the ball in their hands. Will he be as effective playing offball? Would he even want to do that at this point in his career?

I wouldn't mind trying though, but not sure how realistic it is.

I'm not sure what numbers your looking at that says Anthony Davis is clearly better than Blake. Please show me those.

Our problem would be low post scoring.

OKC had Durant who could score from the low post, and so could Ibaka.

We would have no 3pt shooting as well as no one to Score in the low post.

Teams could just run a zone and that would be it for our offense.

trading Blake isn't a bad idea, but it would have to make sense for us. And generally speaking if t makes sense for us it doesn't make sense for the other team.

Is do Blake for Paul George...

I'd do Blake for mark Gasol and run twin towers with Dj and Gasol.

I'd do Blake for Karl Anthony towns- but minny would be complete morons to do that.

I don't see where we get better with a Blake trade.


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Don't know if a Griffin to BOS trade happens, but a lot of trade buzz is going on between Westbrook, Cousins, Gay, Griffin, and pretty much the entire BOS roster. I'm still hoping for Westbrook.


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You can't win with Blake why are people not getting that concept. Golden state runs out Curry, Thompson, Iggy/Livingston, Durant and Green. Who in the hell is blake going to guard? He's too slow to guard any of those guys. GS is forcing teams to go small. Draymond has proven he can guard a 4 or 5. Dj has no offense so we have no mismatch if GS goes small. GS outrebounded us as a team last year so don't say we can beat them on the boards. Make a trade for Gay and westbrook. we still probably lose but at least there's a chance. Cp3 guards curry, Westbrook guards thompson, Luc guards Iggyy, Rudy guards Kd, which leaves DJ vs Draymond.


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No trade should ever be made where we get back Gay. Ever!


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would stay clear of Danny Ainge and Jaylen Brown.

would consider moving CP3 and JJ.

would prefer to get Westbrook in return somehow.... get back to Lob City and run.... take advantage of Blake's and DJ's athleticism, that has had to slow down ever since Chris got to town.

draft picks would be nice, but don't think it's time to move the aforementioned, unless we can upgrade the talent, i.e. RW.... the window is not closed.... keep CP3 if not for Russell.... move JJ.


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WhoDeyClip wrote:
Here's a trade that works in the trade machine. Blake and a 2nd rounder to OKC for Westbrook. JJ and a future first rounder to SAC for Rudy Gay. Starters would be CP3, Westbrook, Gay, Luc, DJ. 3 point shooting would be questionable but you get a big 4.

Gay doesn't make a big 4. He's not that good and he's far from consistent. He's good and will be better than what we've had, but he's no grand prize here.

My sights on are 2017 pick, and opening up that cap space for next year. Ibaka, Millsap, Westbrook would all be great pieces to pick up. This is what this whole trade is for, a small rebuild to protect us from CP leaving. Because if CP leaves, and we still sign Westbrook, we would have cap space to sign another max free agent, and have that top 3 draft pick to use as a trade asset to fill our roster out.

Like I said before, it takes a special GM to really bring all of us this to life.


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AirGriffin wrote:
I'm not here to be biased, my username is in honor of Blake, but I'm keeping it real. Westbrook and Davis are better than Blake and that's not an opinion.

Curry showed us he's not as effective in the finals back to back years. Westbrook is more built for the post season. Klay saved Curry to even make it to the finals with that historic game 6 shoot out.

I'll agree that Davis is better than Blake, as for Westbrook, that's debatable. Westbrook is good, but he's no Durant or LeBron, think a lot of people around here seem to have an exaggerated view of Westbrook's talents. He's not even a good fit for this team, he's entirely too ball dominant to coexist with CP3. They're saying that Westbrook's habit of dominating the ball was a major factor in Durant's decision to leave. Personally I'm not nearly as infatuated with Westbrook's triple doubles as everyone else is, to me that's just more proof of what a ball hog he is. The year Durant was out he scored a ton of triple doubles and they still didn't even make the playoffs. No thanks, I'd rather have Blake over Westbrook any day.


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bballman wrote:
No trade should ever be made where we get back Gay. Ever!
I agree, Gay doesn't impress me in the least.


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ClipperPostman wrote:
Cp3 and Westbrook sound good in theory, but they are both PGs, who play with the ball in their hands. Will he be as effective playing offball? Would he even want to do that at this point in his career?

I wouldn't mind trying though, but not sure how realistic it is.

I'm not sure what numbers your looking at that says Anthony Davis is clearly better than Blake. Please show me those.

I don't see where we get better with a Blake trade.

Here ya go (change the year and Davis looks even better) two different models say something else:

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/co ... eason=2015

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/car ... ony-davis/

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/car ... e-griffin/

Moot point anyway as NO wouldn't do that trade. Davis better all around particularly his defense.


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I think that Tense can back me up on this with some hard numbers, but, anecdotally, I believe that, whenever Rudy Gay has departed from a team (since and including the Grizz), they have played consistently better without him for the next year or two at least.

In other words, I agree with everyone here who thinks that any attempt to pickup Gay is going to leave us with the crap end of the deal on a consistent under-performer.


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I would trade JJ and a future 1st for Gay. JJ is a liability on defense and our 1st round pick will hopefully always be late, where we don't play the guy anyway. The kings probably wouldn't accept the offer. We've been trying to get Gay for years, Doc is going to trade every year to get a SF who can stick. Kings probably want a point guard though.


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WhoDeyClip wrote:
I would trade JJ and a future 1st for Gay. JJ is a liability on defense and our 1st round pick will hopefully always be late, where we don't play the guy anyway. The kings probably wouldn't accept the offer. We've been trying to get Gay for years, Doc is going to trade every year to get a SF who can stick. Kings probably want a point guard though.

Gay is definitely not worth JJ and a 1st rounder. Ugh.


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tense2 wrote:
Here ya go (change the year and Davis looks even better) two different models say something else:

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/co ... eason=2015

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/car ... ony-davis/

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/car ... e-griffin/

Moot point anyway as NO wouldn't do that trade. Davis better all around particularly his defense.

Pull Blake's playoff numbers vs Davis playoff numbers.

Davis is better defensively by far, but Blake's offense is superior to Davis.

Blake is a "borderline all star"... Yea I definitely believe that. Even though he was in the MVP talks before his injury, and 2 seasons ago.


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For what it's worth, I do know that Davis had the highest PER of the 2015 playoffs. That was with the Pelicans just playing in the first round against GS.


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Celtics want a star and they keep trying and trying. They are connected to any and every star player because everyone knows they want a star and they have assets.


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ClipperPostman wrote:
Pull Blake's playoff numbers vs Davis playoff numbers.

Davis is better defensively by far, but Blake's offense is superior to Davis.

Blake is a "borderline all star"... Yea I definitely believe that. Even though he was in the MVP talks before his injury, and 2 seasons ago.

How good is AD defensively really? I've not been impressed with New Orleans team defense yet. Feels like he has all the tools but where's the impact?


tense2
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ClipperPostman wrote:
Pull Blake's playoff numbers vs Davis playoff numbers.

Davis is better defensively by far, but Blake's offense is superior to Davis.

Blake is a "borderline all star"... Yea I definitely believe that. Even though he was in the MVP talks before his injury, and 2 seasons ago.

You can "believe" what you want, but numbers say otherwise.


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Agent0 wrote:
How good is AD defensively really? I've not been impressed with New Orleans team defense yet. Feels like he has all the tools but where's the impact?

Much better then Blakes, particularly in 2014/15.

NO team defense is another story.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203076/t ... r%20Season - Davis

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201933/t ... r%20Season - Blake


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Agent0 wrote:
How good is AD defensively really? I've not been impressed with New Orleans team defense yet. Feels like he has all the tools but where's the impact?

How is team defense going to determine how good of a man to man defender he is?

You can have poor defensive schemes and sub par mediocre low IQ defenders on your team.

I guarantee you, you put AD next to first team all defense CP and DJ and watch how much more he shines.

How is this even up for debate? AD is better than Blake defensively from shot blocking and protecting the paint to simply being an anchor on defense. AD can effectively play the 5 and you won't see too many issues defensively, but if Blake were too you definitely would.

Besides I don't know how people are questioning AD vs Blake, AD at 23 is much better than Blake at 23. AD is getting better every year. His 3 ball is looking good and he is still adjusting to his new coach and system. AD is almost dominant in every single criteria.


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AirGriffin wrote:
CP3 is great but let's face it, we've been nothing but a second round exit since he's gotten here.

And before he got here do you remember what round we made it to? Not the playoffs, so don't be too quick to say CP is the problem


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OK!!! Everyone has some crazy ideas so lets get real crazy!!

CP3 for cousins

Blake for Westbrook

DJ for the Boston package (Crowder, olynik, pick)

That way we lose every star that a portion of ClipperNation has a problem with and we get a totally new, exciting team to eventually start hating and picking apart.

You guys realize that every single player has some flaws and theres a portion of their team's fan base that wants them gone for whatever reason and are drooling for our players?


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AirGriffin wrote:
How is team defense going to determine how good of a man to man defender he is?

You can have poor defensive schemes and sub par mediocre low IQ defenders on your team.

I guarantee you, you put AD next to first team all defense CP and DJ and watch how much more he shines.

How is this even up for debate? AD is better than Blake defensively from shot blocking and protecting the paint to simply being an anchor on defense. AD can effectively play the 5 and you won't see too many issues defensively, but if Blake were too you definitely would.

Besides I don't know how people are questioning AD vs Blake, AD at 23 is much better than Blake at 23. AD is getting better every year. His 3 ball is looking good and he is still adjusting to his new coach and system. AD is almost dominant in every single criteria.

How do you AD is almost dominant in every single criteria??...saying so doesn't make it true. Are you peeking at stats, lol.


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